New hospital food rules introduced in UK - Polidicks

[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77211000/jpg/_77211900_amandakirwan_todmorden3.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]"Fish pie without fish or pie" from Amanda Kirwan[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77211000/jpg/_77211899_hannahkaye_bradford.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Hannah Kaye took this picture - baked potato with a side order of carrots, peas and a single kernel of sweetcorn[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77211000/jpg/_77211895_stacypritchard_london1.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Stacy Pritchard was able to identify the following dish as "chicken".[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77211000/jpg/_77211898_helensleight_castlehill.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Chef Matt Tebbutt described Helen Sleight's picture as "motivation to get better and leave hospital"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The new standards, enforced through legally-binding NHS contracts, will focus on quality, choice and promoting a healthy diet for patients and staff.Hospitals will also be ranked on the meals they prepare. The Campaign for Better Hospital Food said the changes were "woefully inadequate" and hard to enforce. NHS hospitals in Scotland and Wales have nutritional standards in place. [B]'Very vulnerable'[/B]Under the changes, hospitals will be ranked according to quality and choice of food, whether the menu is approved by a dietitian, the availability of fresh fruit and food between meals, the variety of options at breakfast - which should include warm food, and the cost of the food provided. The rankings will be published on the NHS Choices website. Patients will be assessed for malnutrition when they are admitted and there will also be a greater responsibility placed on staff to ensure patients are well-fed. The chairman of charity of Age UK, Dianne Jeffrey, has been working with the Department of Health to produce the new NHS standards for England. She acknowledged that "hospitals are not five-star restaurants," but said meals were an important part of a patient's recovery. Ms Jeffrey said there had been reports of patients being unable to feed themselves or even reach a glass of water. She told the BBC: "When a person is in hospital they are in a very vulnerable state. "It's very important that the food is attractive, it's appetising, it's palatable, it's nutritious, it meets the cultural and social needs of patients and also meets their clinical needs." Michael Seres, from Radlett in Hertfordshire, has been a regular hospital patient for 30 years after being diagnosed with Crohn's disease when he was 12. He says his worst experiences include macaroni cheese containing just four pieces of pasta, ice cream kept on top of hot food and sandwiches so wet "you could wring out the sandwich". He said: "No doctor or clinician has ever advised me to eat the hospital food. "If airlines can cope with multiple types of food that needs to be served for varying conditions or allergies, then hospitals can cater for it. Schools do, prisons do, on the high street restaurants and shops do, so why should it be any different in a hospital?"But the Campaign for Better Hospital Food said the government had "pulled the wool over our eyes". Alex Jackson, the campaign's co-ordinator said: "We want to see hospital food standards set down in legislation, similarly to school food standards, and therefore universally applied to all hospitals and protected by publicly elected representatives for generations to come. "But the government still refuses to do this and has only committed to including the standards in NHS commissioning contracts, which are long documents full of clauses that without proper enforcement and monitoring can be ignored by hospitals. "The government may have inserted a new clause in a legal document, but that won't be what most people consider to be legally-binding. It's woefully inadequate." Robin Ireland, also a representative for the campaign, echoed Mr Jackson's sentiments, and said that some hospitals were currently delivering good food, but he wanted to see them all use fresh, local produce not just a few. Labour described campaigners' concerns as "worrying", and said it was "regrettable" that Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt had published the standards without first consulting patients. "Everyone wants to see the quality of hospital food improved, but without proper enforcement there is a risk that these new standards will simply be ignored," shadow public health minister Luciana Berger added. However, Mr Hunt told the BBC that the NHS guidelines would be "treated very seriously" and "hospitals will be obliged" to apply the guidelines. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/health-28966949[/url] That's good news. Also, this just doesn't apply to UK, but pretty much every goddamn country. Food in hospitals really need improvement. I hate it when the excuse is 'NO OILY FOODS' so that they can serve shit.

Hospital food? now with flavor? I say, imagine that.

Hospital food is just as bad as jail food here in the US. Only with our system we wont see any changes because of the private companies running the hospitals.

[quote]Also, this just doesn't apply to UK, but pretty much every goddamn country. Food in hospitals really need improvement. I hate it when the excuse is 'NO OILY FOODS' so that they can serve shit.[/quote] Not so much 'no oily foods' as that most people who cook hospital food fucking suck at their jobs. It isn't too hard to put out food that's at least edible and tastes decent. You don't need to disguise food with loads of oil and spices to make it taste good - simple food done right is the need of the hour.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45854523]Not so much 'no oily foods' as that most people who cook hospital food fucking suck at their jobs. It isn't too hard to put out food that's at least edible and tastes decent. You don't need to disguise food with loads of oil and spices to make it taste good - simple food done right is the need of the hour.[/QUOTE] I understand your point, but I feel that one of the contributing factor for shit food also falls on Hospitals not outsourcing their space to allow other stall tenants to set up because its 'unhealthy'

Hmm. Do they have rules against people bringing in food? If I had to eat shit like that I'd get my family to bring me hundreds of sandwiches to live off

[QUOTE=Code3Response;45854479]Hospital food is just as bad as jail food here in the US. Only with our system we wont see any changes because of the private companies running the hospitals.[/QUOTE] I don't know if that's a regional thing or not. Last time I got something at a hospital cafeteria here in Tennessee while visiting a relative, it was actually pretty good. They deliver the same food from the cafeteria to the rooms, so I'd imagine the quality would be the same for the patients. Granted, the food was the more traditional "southern food," and it's hard to make food based on fat, salt, and dairy taste bad. The same hospital also had a few outside vendors in the cafeteria, like a Pizza Hut. Weird little place, St. Mary's.

[QUOTE=Cabbage;45854586]Hmm. Do they have rules against people bringing in food? If I had to eat shit like that I'd get my family to bring me hundreds of sandwiches to live off[/QUOTE] They usually don't have specific rules about bringing in food in my part of the world at any rate - it's how I survived in hospital when I got my surgeries done.

[QUOTE=woolio1;45854605]I don't know if that's a regional thing or not. Last time I got something at a hospital cafeteria here in Tennessee while visiting a relative, it was actually pretty good. They deliver the same food from the cafeteria to the rooms, so I'd imagine the quality would be the same for the patients. Granted, the food was the more traditional "southern food," and it's hard to make food based on fat, salt, and dairy taste bad. The same hospital also had a few outside vendors in the cafeteria, like a Pizza Hut. Weird little place, St. Mary's.[/QUOTE] Heh, Pizza hut in a hospital. Come to think of it, that would be a great way to make a killing as a food chain. A Subway in a hospital? People would be on that like white on rice

[QUOTE=Cabbage;45854717]Heh, Pizza hut in a hospital. Come to think of it, that would be a great way to make a killing as a food chain. A Subway in a hospital? People would be on that like white on rice[/QUOTE] now that I come to think of it, there was a Subway in the hospital I had my broken arm fixed in, but the quality of its sandwiches seemed dubious compared to the ones you could get outside for some reason.

They need some new rules for hospital food in the US Such as "You can't charge 20 fucking dollars for a cup of jello"

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45854732]now that I come to think of it, there was a Subway in the hospital I had my broken arm fixed in, but the quality of its sandwiches seemed dubious compared to the ones you could get outside for some reason.[/QUOTE] It was probably managed by an outside company. I know in the States, there are a few companies that contract out facility-based franchises. A company called Aramark managed most of the cafeterias for our local hospitals, as well as the cafeterias and food courts at my university. [editline]31st August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;45854758]They need some new rules for hospital food in the US Such as "You can't charge 20 fucking dollars for a cup of jello"[/QUOTE] Patient Prices are usually ridiculous, because the patient doesn't have a choice. The prices for the same food in the cafeteria are almost always cheaper. It's a really scummy practice.

I was talking to a subway franchise owner a few days ago who owns an amazing subway down the block from the place I get my hair cut. Apparently all Subways are individually owned and operated slightly different. That's why you can get a good sandwich at one and literally three slices of tissue paper thick meat and garbage bread at another. The subway he runs gives you a sandwich that actually looks like the picture, a lot like Jimmy Johns.

[QUOTE=Ajacks;45854806]I was talking to a subway franchise owner a few days ago who owns an amazing subway down the block from the place I get my hair cut. Apparently all Subways are individually owned and operated slightly different. That's why you can get a good sandwich at one and literally three slices of tissue paper thick meat and garbage bread at another. The subway he runs gives you a sandwich that actually looks like the picture, a lot like Jimmy Johns.[/QUOTE] The fuck is even the point of having it be a chain then?

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45854523]Not so much 'no oily foods' as that most people who cook hospital food fucking suck at their jobs. It isn't too hard to put out food that's at least edible and tastes decent. You don't need to disguise food with loads of oil and spices to make it taste good - simple food done right is the need of the hour.[/QUOTE] Aye, a good meal is a step on the path to recovery. If you're serving up food that can make people feel ill just by looking at it, that's practically medical negligence.

Meanwhile in Poland [IMG]http://szpitalnejedzenie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/6kromek-300x225.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://szpitalnejedzenie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/jajko-300x225.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1977101_792885147419838_2371706495621548215_n.jpg?oh=1e3fcf737d70f487455dc82beaa81914&oe=5461326E&__gda__=1417649424_8aa63825fe7a580db492f3b270c3c7e2[/IMG] [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10552488_768630893178597_2556309225950932703_n.jpg[/IMG] [url]https://www.facebook.com/szpitalnyposilek?fref=photo[/url]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;45854479]Hospital food is just as bad as jail food here in the US. Only with our system we wont see any changes because of the private companies running the hospitals.[/QUOTE] Trust me, jail food is way worse. Its literally made to just meet a calorie requirement, some of the food I seen made in the kitchen was questionable. Hell, the kool-aid they served in the jail could EAT AWAY CONCRETE. At least most hospitals have menu's you can pick from and some of the food is pretty decent.

There's a McDonalds built on to a hospital in London strangely enough.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;45854847]The fuck is even the point of having it be a chain then?[/QUOTE] Tim Hortons is run the same way.

I had some okay potatoes in an NHS hospital while dealing with glandular fever. Everything else tasted like shit, other than the milkshakes. [editline]31st August 2014[/editline] Like, can't they just do up some microwave meals or something? I don't see why they have to serve food that's worse than microwave quality.

Maybe i'm in the minority but when i was in hospital last year the food was pretty good. Admittedly the painkillers they had me on made me constipated as hell so i couldn't eat too much anyway.

[QUOTE=Lazzars;45855293]Maybe i'm in the minority but when i was in hospital last year the food was pretty good. Admittedly the painkillers they had me on made me constipated as hell so i couldn't eat too much anyway.[/QUOTE] That's because some hospitals have decent food and good chefs, and can build up a very good reputation by doing so. Patients will request reallocation simply because the foods good. We got em here too.

The only good thing I've ever had from hospital food was toast and baked beans. You literally cannot fuck up either of those, even if you make hospital food. A diet solely of toast and baked beans is about as close to healthy as you'll get while also eating food that hasn't been cremated or frozen in the arctic for sixty years before being half defrosted until warm and shoved on your plate.

[QUOTE=marcin1337;45854980]Meanwhile in Poland [IMG]http://szpitalnejedzenie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/6kromek-300x225.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://szpitalnejedzenie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/jajko-300x225.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1977101_792885147419838_2371706495621548215_n.jpg?oh=1e3fcf737d70f487455dc82beaa81914&oe=5461326E&__gda__=1417649424_8aa63825fe7a580db492f3b270c3c7e2[/IMG] [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10552488_768630893178597_2556309225950932703_n.jpg[/IMG] [url]https://www.facebook.com/szpitalnyposilek?fref=photo[/url][/QUOTE] Jeez, is that a hospital or are they trying to imitate a prison?

[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77211000/jpg/_77211898_helensleight_castlehill.jpg[/IMG] That's... That's not human skin... Is it...? :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=Coment;45855456][IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77211000/jpg/_77211898_helensleight_castlehill.jpg[/IMG] That's... That's not human skin... Is it...? :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] If anybody dared to actually try that they would find themselves shut down, full stop.

Alright, after a second look it looks more like a steak of some sort [editline]31st August 2014[/editline] it's been long since I got automerge'd anyways

Hmm, well the hospital i went to at one point, while my dad was there (had a coke can tab down his throat, cut it all up :c) the food was great there nothing like what was described.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45855460]If anybody dared to actually try that they would find themselves shut down, full stop.[/QUOTE] tbh i thought those were just small lemons on the side and thought nothing of that until now [editline]31st August 2014[/editline] i mean those are not fucking potatoes come on

I've been injured quite a lot over the years. I'm a chaos magnet, and I can honestly say that every hospital meal I've ever eaten has actually been pretty good. Not Michelin star quality, but it looked fairly presentable and everything tasted as it should. Looking above, how can 'bread' look like that? I mean, how can you mess up bread? [editline]31st August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;45854847]The fuck is even the point of having it be a chain then?[/QUOTE] It's called franchising. I know of a guy that owns 3 and he does specials for emergency service personnel because he's an ex-firefighter.