China 'reveals army structure' in defence white paper for the first time.
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[QUOTE]The army has a total of[B] 850,000 soldiers[/B], while the[B] navy and air force have a strength of 235,000 and 398,000[/B], China said in its defence white paper.
The paper also [B]criticised the US's expanded military presence in the Asia Pacific[/B], saying it had exacerbated regional tensions.
China's defence budget rose by 11.2% in 2012, exceeding $100bn (£65bn).
The [URL="http://eng.mod.gov.cn/TopNews/2013-04/16/content_4442750.htm"]defence white paper[/URL], which state media describe as China's 8th since 1998, emphasised China's "unshakable national commitment... to take the road of peaceful development".
Correspondents say this appears to be part of an effort, on the [B]part of the Chinese military, to become more transparent.[/B]
The [B]territorial army has 18 combined corps in seven military area commands[/B]: Beijing, Nanjing, Chengdu, Guangzhou, Shenyang, Lanzhou, and Jinan.
The air force has 398,000 personnel and an air command in the same seven military areas, while the navy commands [B]three fleets[/B]: the Beihai Fleet, the Donghai Fleet and the Nanhai Fleet, the paper said.
The paper also describes the role of China's second artillery force, which contains China's nuclear and conventional missile forces.
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22163599[/URL]
Over a million Chinese servicemen, jesus
I always imagine the chinese to just zeig rush a war with their large numbers.
I imagined it'd be way more.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;40309610]I imagined it'd be way more.[/QUOTE]
Militaries are surprisingly small in size compared to the populations of their countries.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel[/url]
what
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309700]2,285,000? What?[/QUOTE]
I checked its citations and they all seemed to be from non-official sources. I guess that Wiki page is going to need to be changed.
And if the numbers in the paper are true China "only" have like 50,000 more soldiers than the US.
[QUOTE=W0w00t;40309794]"when you're strong - look weak. when you're weak look strong"[/QUOTE]
Saddam tried that but USA invaded.
[QUOTE=W0w00t;40309794]"when you're strong - look weak. when you're weak look strong"[/QUOTE]
Why would anyone want to look weak in any case?
I wonder if this is counting reserves or not. I would expect those numbers from China if they were only on active duty.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309809]Why would anyone want to look weak in any case?[/QUOTE]
If you look weak the enemy will underestimate you, or completely overlook you. Deception 101
with that said this only includes their active operational units and soldiers
[editline]16th April 2013[/editline]
"The PLAA mobile operational units include 18 combined corps, plus additional independent combined operational divisions (brigades), and have a total strength of 850,000."
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309809]Why would anyone want to look weak in any case?[/QUOTE]
It's actually an ingenious tactic, and was most of the reason that the Mongols were able to conquor so much fucking land.
They would send out a small group of people on fast horses to engage the enemy, maybe a day or two in advance of their main company. The group would engage, but would soon flee, going just fast enough to keep the enemy following, but looking like they would collapse at any time. The enemy tracked them for a while, until they were entirely strung out and weak, at which time the main army crashed into them like hell on horses, destroying them.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;40309739]are true China "only" have like 50,000 more soldiers than the US.[/QUOTE]
But.. But China is the evil totalitarian and militaristic regime that gives it's citizens very limited freedoms. Perhaps the unofficial sources are including non-enlisted soldiers?
Either way, Russia has the largest military. [I]If you include reserves.[/I]
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;40309824]If you look weak the enemy will underestimate you, or completely overlook you. Deception 101[/QUOTE]
Except China has no such enemies that need deception.
[QUOTE=laserguided;40309808]Saddam tried that but USA invaded.[/QUOTE]
True but Iraq has had access to good Russian equipment the last 35 years. Might not be top shelf but compared other world countries at the time it was better than some of his neighbors.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309859]Except China has no such enemies that need deception.[/QUOTE]
Everyone's a potential enemy :tinfoil:
China still enforces compulsory service so more than likely most of their personnel are just 'going through' their time in service than actual regulars.
[QUOTE=Aide;40309863]True but Iraq has had access to good Russian equipment the last 35 years. Might not be top shelf but compared other world countries at the time it was better than some of his neighbors.[/QUOTE]
And still couldn't beat Iran :v:
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;40309819]I wonder if this is counting reserves or not. I would expect those numbers from China if they were only on active duty.[/QUOTE]
this
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309809]Why would anyone want to look weak in any case?[/QUOTE]
The greatest generals often pretend to be inferior to the enemy, which, when "exploited" by the opposing force, the original general makes his move and swoops down on the enemy with a strong blow.
A lot of war is really about forcing the enemy to do what you want them to do, largely influenced by deception.
For instance, it says something about officers and generals that they can order their soldiers to make what may be seen as disadvantageous moves, making their forces seem disorganized, panicky, badly supplied, etc.
One amusing incident I recall, is that of the Chinese when they went to invade the Xiongnu, but first sent spies to report on them. The Xiongnu knew well in advance, and deliberately showed their weakest men and horses in minute numbers. The Chinese Emperor was ecstatic and ordered an invasion, with the only dissension being an advisor who said it had to be a ruse on part of the enemy, for when countries make a show of strength, they show the best in order to deter the foreigner (as opposed to showing a bunch of sickly old men, and also tends to explain arms races).
He invaded anyways, and was surrounded by a superior Xiongnu force.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309700]2,285,000? What?[/QUOTE]
Paramilitary means organizations that aren't a part of the military
i.e. swat units (or even police) could be considered paramilitary forces depending on how liberally you use the term
oh wait no now I see what you're saying
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40309959]The greatest generals often pretend to be inferior to the enemy, which, when "exploited" by the opposing force, the original general makes his move and swoops down on the enemy with a strong blow.
A lot of war is really about forcing the enemy to do what you want them to do, largely influenced by deception.
For instance, it says something about officers and generals that they can order their soldiers to make what may be seen as disadvantageous moves, making their forces seem disorganized, panicky, badly supplied, etc.
One amusing incident I recall, is that of the Chinese when they went to invade the Xiongnu, but first sent spies to report on them. The Xiongnu knew well in advance, and deliberately showed their weakest men and horses in minute numbers. The Chinese Emperor was ecstatic and ordered an invasion, with the only dissension being an advisor who said it had to be a ruse on part of the enemy, for when countries make a show of strength, they show the best in order to deter the foreigner (as opposed to showing a bunch of sickly old men, and also tends to explain arms races).
He invaded anyways, and was surrounded by a superior Xiongnu force.[/QUOTE]
Custer's Last Stand is a pretty good show of this as well
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309809]Why would anyone want to look weak in any case?[/QUOTE]
To lure enemies into attacking. At this point, the only tried and true justification for pseudo-colonization is to take over a country in defense of your own.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMH50X0F-4[/media]
Whenever anything or anyone mentions the Chinese military, this always plays in my head.
It's okay though, because all their guns are probably just plastic fakes with 'made in china' on the side
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40309809]Why would anyone want to look weak in any case?[/QUOTE]
strong, assertive groups are the target of animosity and plots. you should generally look weaker than you actually are. be unassuming, non-threatening, until the moment when you finally put your schemes into motion.
[editline]17th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40309959]The greatest generals often pretend to be inferior to the enemy, which, when "exploited" by the opposing force, the original general makes his move and swoops down on the enemy with a strong blow.
A lot of war is really about forcing the enemy to do what you want them to do, largely influenced by deception.
For instance, it says something about officers and generals that they can order their soldiers to make what may be seen as disadvantageous moves, making their forces seem disorganized, panicky, badly supplied, etc.
One amusing incident I recall, is that of the Chinese when they went to invade the Xiongnu, but first sent spies to report on them. The Xiongnu knew well in advance, and deliberately showed their weakest men and horses in minute numbers. The Chinese Emperor was ecstatic and ordered an invasion, with the only dissension being an advisor who said it had to be a ruse on part of the enemy, for when countries make a show of strength, they show the best in order to deter the foreigner (as opposed to showing a bunch of sickly old men, and also tends to explain arms races).
He invaded anyways, and was surrounded by a superior Xiongnu force.[/QUOTE]
6 day war the israeli's sent a large portion of their army on vacation in visible areas where the egyptians were spying to make it look like the military was unprepared for war. in the meantime israel was quietly mobilizing their forces for a pre-emptive strike that ended with the occupation of the sinai, east jerusalem(iirc), and turning the golan heights into a buffer zone.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;40311668]It's okay though, because all their guns are probably just plastic fakes with 'made in china' on the side[/QUOTE]
yeah!
Their main assault rifle is just a plastic toy with bullpup design. It can shoot underwater and it is as reliable as an AK47.
In comparison US army and weapons are the coolest and the best in the world because that's what they showed me on discovery channel.
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