NPR interviews the millionaire job creators who will be hurt by the Millionaire Surtax - except they - Polidicks

Source - [url=http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/where-are-the-millionaire-job-creators-npr-does-the-big-hunt]CEPR.net[/url] (and NPR) So Republicans are rallying against the "millionaire surtax", saying it will hurt the economy by going after job creators. So NPR heads out to interview these job creators and... [release][b]The Republicans have substituted "job creator" for the word "rich" in discussions of tax policy.[/b] It is absolute standard practice for them to object to taxing people who have money by saying that this will reduce job creation. Since this claim has become so central in policy debates, Morning Edition decided to do what any reasonable news organization might do: see if it is true. [b]Morning Edition called the Republican party and asked to be put in contact with some tax burdened job creators. [highlight]They were unable to provide anyone for NPR to interview.[/highlight] NPR then contacted several of the business lobbies who have been complaining that higher taxes would impede job growth. [highlight]These organizations were also unable to find any job creators who would speak to NPR.[/highlight][/b] NPR then put in a request to talk to job creators on Facebook. It got several responses from small business owners. [b]The ones featured on its [url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/12/09/143398685/gop-objects-to-millionaires-surtax-millionaires-we-found-not-so-much]segment[/url] said that the personal tax rate would affect their disposable income but would have [highlight]no effect on their hiring.[/highlight] This is pretty much what economic theory would predict.[/b][/release] ...and the bottom falls out of the GOP's argument. Surely if someone was going to be hurt by this they'd speak up, no?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33659217]...and the bottom falls out of the GOP's argument.[/QUOTE] As if they had one.

But... but... Liberal bias! Job creators! Patriotism! Socialism! Reagonomics! Communism! Trickle down! Nazis! [I]9/11[/I]! Good job, NPR.

This is awesome.

[video=youtube;hkbZR7L9Ong]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbZR7L9Ong[/video]

Makes sense. No one is hiring now, no one will be hiring after taxing.

My step dad owns a small business and voted for Obama / hasn't voted for a Republican in a lonnnnnnngg time (though he did vote for Nader in the '04 election I think). He's not a millionaire though.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33659631]My step dad owns a small business and voted for Obama / hasn't voted for a Republican in a lonnnnnnngg time (though he did vote for Nader in the '04 election I think). He's not a millionaire though.[/QUOTE] Most small business owners aren't millionaires, but they create the most jobs. In fact, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_business#Contribution_to_the_economy]the top "job creators" are people who own businesses with fewer than ten employees.[/url]

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33659631](though he did vote for Nader in the '04 election I think). [/QUOTE] tell your step dad he's a boss

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33659631]My step dad owns a small business and voted for Obama / hasn't voted for a Republican in a lonnnnnnngg time (though he did vote for Nader in the '04 election I think). He's not a millionaire though.[/QUOTE] I find this interesting because my totally conservative Aunt and Uncle (both small business owners) came over for thanksgiving, and they were all talking about how removing the bush tax cuts would harm small business owners and how small businesses going down is what's wrong with our economy. Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that your step dad is wrong or anything, I guess I just thought their position as small business owners might explain their political views. I guess I was wrong.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33664844]tell your step dad he's a boss[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thrawn2787;33659631][B]My step dad owns a small business[/B][/QUOTE] No shit he's a boss.

[quote]The ones [b]featured[/b] on its segment said that the personal tax rate would affect their disposable income but would have no effect on their hiring. This is pretty much what economic theory would predict.[/quote] Does that smell fishy to anyone else?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669154]Does that smell fishy to anyone else?[/QUOTE] Please substitute a synonym that doesn't sound fishy. [I]They said they tried to look for people who would say different, and none were provided[/I] [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] thats the whole point of the article jesus christ

[QUOTE=Contag;33669215]Please substitute a synonym that doesn't sound fishy. [I]They said they tried to look for people who would say different, and none were provided[/I] [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] thats the whole point of the article jesus christ[/QUOTE] They honestly didn't find any small business owners that claimed that they would be hurt by this?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669244]They honestly didn't find any small business owners that claimed that they would be hurt by this?[/QUOTE] No, they all seemed to say they would be hurt (in that they're getting taxed more), just that it didn't affect the hiring of their company.

Well, it says they refused to talk to NPR. That doesn't really prove they don't exist. There are plenty of democrats that won't talk to Fox

[QUOTE=Regulas021;33669267][B]Well, it says they refused to talk to NPR.[/B] That doesn't really prove they don't exist. There are plenty of democrats that won't talk to Fox[/QUOTE] Where does it say that?

[QUOTE=Contag;33669266]No, they all seemed to say they would be hurt (in that they're getting taxed more), just that it didn't affect the hiring of their company.[/QUOTE] I'm really not buying that. I mean it is never 100%. That is unheard of. To say that absolutely no small business owner is even [i]claiming[/i] it would affect their hiring practices(whether it would or not), is impossible. The fact that they featured only one side is sort of sad.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669313]I'm really not buying that. I mean it is never 100%. That is unheard of. To say that absolutely no small business owner is even [i]claiming[/i] it would affect their hiring practices(whether it would or not), is impossible. The fact that they featured only one side is sort of sad.[/QUOTE] They only featured one side because only one side was available They called the GOP and business lobbies, neither could find a business owner hurt by this Then they posted an open request on Facebook, none that would be hurt by this spoke up Face it, the "other side" doesn't appear to exist

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669313]I'm really not buying that. I mean it is never 100%. That is unheard of. To say that absolutely no small business owner is even [i]claiming[/i] it would affect their hiring practices(whether it would or not), is impossible. The fact that they featured only one side is sort of sad.[/QUOTE] They did kind of ask about. Besides if it's wrong Fox News will parade a dozens greek small business owners out to claim it hurt their hiring practices.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33669352]They only featured one side because only one side was available They called the GOP and business lobbies, neither could find a business owner hurt by this Then they posted an open request on Facebook, none that would be hurt by this spoke up Face it, the "other side" doesn't appear to exist[/QUOTE] "It got several responses from small business owners. The ones featured on its segment said that the personal tax rate would affect their disposable income but would have no effect on their hiring. This is pretty much what economic theory would predict." If literally 0% of the people who contacted NPR didn't claim it would affect their hiring practices, then that seems really weird. In fact I am still going to claim it is impossible, because you never have 100% consensus on anything. By the way, I'm not talking about the GOP or lobbies, I'm talking about that facebook thing. [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;33669366]They did kind of ask about. Besides if it's wrong Fox News will parade a dozens greek small business owners out to claim it hurt their hiring practices.[/QUOTE] Well, I don't doubt Fox could find some small business owners to claim to be hurt if they wanted to, because someone surely will.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33669380]"It got several responses from small business owners. The ones featured on its segment said that the personal tax rate would affect their disposable income but would have no effect on their hiring. This is pretty much what economic theory would predict." If literally 0% of the people who contacted NPR didn't claim it would affect their hiring practices, then that seems really weird. In fact I am still going to claim it is impossible, because you never have 100% consensus on anything. By the way, I'm not talking about the GOP or lobbies, I'm talking about that facebook thing. [/QUOTE] If you have reason to believe the NPR is lying you should find something to back that up, otherwise discarding their research because it doesn't agree with your ideology is pretty stupid and puts you in the league of the average Fox viewer

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33669960]If you have reason to believe the NPR is lying you should find something to back that up, otherwise discarding their research because it doesn't agree with your ideology is pretty stupid and puts you in the league of the average Fox viewer[/QUOTE] Because skepticism relating to a completely outrageous claim is discarding all of their "research"(which wasn't really much to begin with). [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] And besides, the burden of proof would be on NPR. They can't do such an absurdly flawed search and then claim "Oh we can't find any, guess they don't exist!"

Look, there will obviously be [I]some[/I] business owners whose hiring will be hurt by this, but they're a tiny fraction. [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] Either way I don't see how it's flawed. If there were really so many "job creators" hurt by this with an axe to grind, surely at least [I]one[/I] would have jumped at the chance to talk to NPR?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33670258]Because skepticism relating to a completely outrageous claim is discarding all of their "research"(which wasn't really much to begin with).[/quote] It's only an outrageous claim to you because you [I]want[/I] to believe otherwise. The only outrageous thing is that some people still believe that millionaries+ are the ones making jobs [QUOTE=yawmwen;33670258]And besides, the burden of proof would be on NPR. They can't do such an absurdly flawed search and then claim "Oh we can't find any, guess they don't exist!"[/QUOTE] How is it flawed? They went to the two largest sources of opposition to this, who were not able to justify why they oppose it by delivering some proof. Then they put an open request on the largest social networking site in the world. Opposition to taxing the rich isn't grounded in reality - it doesn't hurt the economy or kill jobs. It's ideology and fantasy pushed by those same rich people and you've fallen for it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33670258]Because skepticism relating to a completely outrageous claim is discarding all of their "research"(which wasn't really much to begin with). [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] And besides, the burden of proof would be on NPR. They can't do such an absurdly flawed search and then claim "Oh we can't find any, guess they don't exist!"[/QUOTE] I'm trying to decide if your brain is shutting down due to the intense blow this article gave you, or if you're just going on one of your stupid ramblings again. Either way, you sound like a complete tool once again.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;33670258]Because skepticism relating to a completely outrageous claim is discarding all of their "research"(which wasn't really much to begin with). [editline]11th December 2011[/editline] And besides, the burden of proof would be on NPR. They can't do such an absurdly flawed search and then claim "Oh we can't find any, guess they don't exist!"[/QUOTE] They looked in very large places, and found no one. Based on what the average republican goes to to make their opinion the only one out there, I'd assume that one republican out of the hundreds of millions of people on facebook would have jumped at the chance.

My dad owns a small business, and while for 10 years the only employees have been him and me (I'm unpaid, still a kid) we are about to expand and probably hire a bunch of people.

[QUOTE=neos300;33672708]My dad owns a small business, and while for 10 years the only employees have been him and me (I'm unpaid, still a kid) we are about to expand and probably hire a bunch of people.[/QUOTE] Is his a sole proprietorship or limited liability company?

[QUOTE=Contag;33672808]Is his a sole proprietorship or limited liability company?[/QUOTE] Sole propitiatory is shot, LLC is where its at. Murder someone with a company car, liquidate company. Get away with murder. Imagine rape with a company condom...