Leftist Mexican Pres. Candidate surging in polls, call Trump "neo-fascist," plans to challenge USA - Polidicks

[URL="http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/amlo-to-challenge-us-over-human-rights/"]Sauce[/URL] [QUOTE]The outspoken leader of the leftist party called Morena will visit the United Nations and the Inter-American Human Rights Commission to demand intervention by the international community against the United States’ immigration policies. Andrés Manuel López Obrador, commonly referred to as AMLO, compared the policies of U.S. President Donald Trump with those of Nazi Germany’s Adolf Hitler on Monday when he addressed a crowd of 600 Mexicans living in Chicago. Trump, he said, has launched a demagogic and neo-fascist policy against Mexico similar to Hitler’s policies against Jews. The former Mexico City mayor, who has unsuccessfully run twice for president, said [B]he will file a complaint March 14 in New York over the violation of the civil liberties of Mexicans before the United Nations High Commissioner [/B][B]on[/B][B] Human Rights.[/B] [B]The following day he intends to travel to Washington, D.C., to file another complaint with the Inter-American Human Rights Commission.[/B] López Obrador said the purpose of Trump’s campaign against immigrants is more political than economic, being designed to keep himself in power. But in the month since he took office [B]“the neo-fascist policy of blaming foreigners for Americans’ misfortunes has been a resounding failure.”[/B] The veteran Mexican politician plans to run for president again in 2018. A poll conducted last month found his party was the favorite among voters with 27% saying they would vote for Morena. The National Action Party was in second place with 24%. López Obrador’s own popularity doubled from 5% to 10% in the poll, while that of President Enrique Peña Nieto plummeted to 12%. [/QUOTE]

This is going to be interesting...

Seeing some left-wing populism rising is a breath of fresh air for me. Lord knows we need a counter to the reactionary, right-wing cancer we've been seeing (I'm looking at you, FN). There was a thread about the SPD (Social Democratic Party) of Germany doing well, too. Good stuff.

Populist candidates surge!

Populism is not inherently bad, it's trump's fake populism that's bad. [editline]27th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sally;51879209]Populist candidates surge![/QUOTE] But he doesn't seem populist though.

Hopefully he's different than the normal left-wing/socialist south american politician.

[QUOTE=eirexe;51879215]Populism is not inherently bad, it's trump's fake populism that's bad. [editline]27th February 2017[/editline] But he doesn't seem populist though.[/QUOTE] Populism isn't inherently bad, no, but right-wing populism certainly is.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51879251]Populism isn't inherently bad, no, but right-wing populism certainly is.[/QUOTE] Yeah because right wing populism makes no sense, you can't support the working class when the very definition of right wing is that you believe that social hierarchies cannot be destroyed and sometimes are desirable.

[QUOTE=eirexe;51879319]Yeah because right wing populism makes no sense, you can't support the working class when the very definition of right wing is that you believe that social hierarchies cannot be destroyed and sometimes are desirable.[/QUOTE] populism is mostly used as a tool more than anything else

[QUOTE=eirexe;51879319]Yeah because right wing populism makes no sense, you can't support the working class when the very definition of right wing is that you believe that social hierarchies cannot be destroyed and sometimes are desirable.[/QUOTE] The right-wing in general is extremely contradictory, Basic income is originally a right-wing/conservative idea(by reducing poverty, you reduce the burden of poverty upon the state), yet how many are actually favorable to it, "pro-lifers" being anything but, etc. I feel like the only places where you can find right-wing that is still grounded on reality anywhere on the planet, are the mainstream german one(CDU is right-wing) and the mainstream japanese one, everywhere else its mixture of dumb religious fundamentalist/reactionary/proto-fascist/fuck the poor/etc ideas. IMO Right-wing conservatism can't even be called conservative anymore, because the world has actually changed already(and for the better).

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;51879405]The right-wing in general is extremely contradictory, Basic income is originally a right-wing/conservative idea(by reducing poverty, you reduce the burden of poverty upon the state), yet how many are actually favorable to it, "pro-lifers" being anything but, etc. I feel like the only places where you can find right-wing that is still grounded on reality anywhere on the planet, are the mainstream german one(CDU is right-wing) and the mainstream japanese one, everywhere else its mixture of dumb religious fundamentalist/reactionary/proto-fascist/fuck the poor/etc ideas. IMO Right-wing conservatism can't even be called conservative anymore, because the world has actually changed already(and for the better).[/QUOTE] I can't speak for other countries, but American Conservatism really did die when the evangelicals started to flood in. Barry Goldwater was really one of the last somewhat sensible Conservatives (and maybe HW Bush if you want to stretch it). Conservative values have shifted so much that the Republican party is less Conservative and Corporate.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51879458]I can't speak for other countries, but American Conservatism really did die when the evangelicals started to flood in. Barry Goldwater was really one of the last somewhat sensible Conservatives (and maybe HW Bush if you want to stretch it). Conservative values have shifted so much that the Republican party is less Conservative and Corporate.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't know how anyone who calls themself a "principled conservative" can look at the GOP and Trump and not feel revulsion. At least, as a leftist, I see the 2016 Democratic Platform is a step in the right direction, and progressives in general (thanks in part to Bernie's presidential campaign) have become a huge influence on the Democratic Party (much to the chagrin of moderates/third way/centrists like Jim Webb) Make no mistake, though, the Democratic Party is still a center-right party. We have a long struggle ahead of us to truly make it the party of the working class.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51879458]I can't speak for other countries, but American Conservatism really did die when the evangelicals started to flood in. Barry Goldwater was really one of the last somewhat sensible Conservatives (and maybe HW Bush if you want to stretch it). Conservative values have shifted so much that the Republican party is less Conservative and Corporate.[/QUOTE] Your current conservatives has been taken over by corporations(and religion) and are basically making an attempt to throw the US into a new gilded age, both socially and economically, that's pretty much it, which is terrifying because the gilded age lasted 35 years... and it still took a while for things to actually get better after it ended.

Left wing populism is what made my country into the garbage it is today. No populism is good, period.

[QUOTE=Giulikapo;51879599]Left wing populism is what made my country into the garbage it is today. No populism is good, period.[/QUOTE] Same. My country also had a lot of issues with left wing populism.

This guy is a communist and will no doubt fuck over what little relationship we have with Mexico if he wins. Why can't Mexico just own up to their damn problems and start fixing it? I would love to see Mexico with the standards of Canada, but if they keep electing leaders with ego problems I don't ever see that happening.

[QUOTE=Colossal_Dragon;51879757]This guy is a communist and will no doubt fuck over what little relationship we have with Mexico if he wins. Why can't Mexico just own up to their damn problems and start fixing it? I would love to see Mexico with the standards of Canada, but if they keep electing leaders with ego problems I don't ever see that happening.[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51879198]Seeing some left-wing populism rising is a breath of fresh air for me. [B]Lord knows we need a counter to the reactionary, right-wing cancer[/B] we've been seeing (I'm looking at you, FN).[/QUOTE] Yes, but within the country. In the United States. Another country going further left because we've gone further right isn't going to help the issue, it's going to make it worse. It causes international friction, hurts commerce, and at the very worse, causes open conflict. Mexico is already "brown, Catholic, and poor", adding "leftwing" and "socialist" to that list is NOT going to make Trump love them more or want to be diplomatic toward them. [editline]26th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Wizards Court;51879551]Your current conservatives has been taken over by corporations(and religion) and are basically making an attempt to throw the US into a new gilded age, both socially and economically, that's pretty much it, which is terrifying because the gilded age lasted 35 years... and it still took a while for things to actually get better after it ended.[/QUOTE] Where's Teddy Roosevelt when you need him

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51879828]Yes, but within the country. In the United States. [B]Another country going further left because we've gone further right isn't going to help the issue[/B][/QUOTE] Quick question: would you rather they go further right to follow our example instead? [QUOTE]Mexico is already "brown, Catholic, and poor", adding "leftwing" and "socialist" to that list is NOT going to make Trump love them more or want to be diplomatic toward them.[/QUOTE] Your point is? I don't want people to like Trump, and most world leaders (except Putin, of course) agree with that sentiment. [QUOTE]Where's Teddy Roosevelt when you need him[/QUOTE] Big T's legacy lives on in the modern progressive movement.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51879849]Quick question: would you rather they go further right to follow our example instead?[/quote] They are not mutually exclusive. How about neither side go further in right [I]or[/I] left? [QUOTE=HappyCompy;51879849]Your point is? I don't want people to like Trump, and most world leaders agree with that sentiment. [/QUOTE] So how will other countries going further left help, exactly? They can't vote in US elections (unless you're Putin)

Yeah, I'm not seeing this as something to exactly praise. I find it hypocritical to say "populism is only bad when it's not my way." And having another country rise leftist to counter our right is only asking for conflict. Especially if they "plan to challenge the USA."

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51879867]They are not mutually exclusive. How about neither side go further in right [I]or[/I] left? So how will other countries going further left help, exactly? They can't vote in US elections (unless you're Putin)[/QUOTE] You don't believe that things like Brexit and Trump's victory have a watershed effect on the rest of the world? If so, I urge you to rethink that stance. Big events affect places outside of arbitrary nation-state borders. (Eg: Trump's rise emboldening fascism and far-right scum across the world, a leftist like AMLO leading a resistance against said far-right elements in Mexico emboldening those on the left)

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51879458]I can't speak for other countries, but American Conservatism really did die when the evangelicals started to flood in. Barry Goldwater was really one of the last somewhat sensible Conservatives (and maybe HW Bush if you want to stretch it). Conservative values have shifted so much that the Republican party is less Conservative and Corporate.[/QUOTE] Not to speak ill of the people who live there, but becoming the party of the south is like making a deal with the devil. The democrats were horrible when they did it, and the Republicans are horrible now that they're doing it.

This is only furthering the divide the world is going through. I'm beginning to become worried of more things than our incompetent presidency. With how divided people have been becoming in general, with the rise of nationalism in Europe, populism in America, and now liberalism in Mexico; I only see the world going through another major conflict -- another world war, but I don't think it'll play out like everyone expects it to be. It's worrying how unstable the world is becoming. How fast we're losing the relative peace we've had in the past couple decades.

[QUOTE=Giulikapo;51879599]Left wing populism is what made my country into the garbage it is today. No populism is good, period.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51879643]Same. My country also had a lot of issues with left wing populism.[/QUOTE] It seems latin america will need another lost decade followed by multiple crises for people to realize(again) how toxic the right-wing over here is, it's sad how common this mindset is.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51879885]This is only furthering the divide the world is going through. I'm beginning to become worried of more things than our incompetent presidency. With how divided people have been becoming in general, with the rise of nationalism in Europe, populism in America, and now liberalism in Mexico; I only see the world going through another major conflict -- another world war, but I don't think it'll play out like everyone expects it to be.[/QUOTE] I don't want another war either, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit on my hands while my country cascades into fascism. Fascism brings war, it's in its very nature. The preservation of democracy and peace depends on the destruction of far-right elements within society and preventing them from gaining political clout. If we really want to prevent war, we need to stop fascism at every opportunity. None of this "well that's just your opinion, man" shit on the left. You cannot be tolerant of intolerance.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51879907]I don't want another war either, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit on my hands while my country cascades into fascism. Fascism brings war, it's in its very nature. [b]The preservation of democracy and peace depends on the destruction of far-right elements within society[/b] and preventing them from gaining political clout. None of this "well that's just your opinion, man" shit on the left. You cannot be tolerant of intolerance.[/QUOTE] Conflict requires two sides, and you're only fueling the other side with this kind of talk. Hate breeds hate; violence breeds violence. [editline].[/editline] Put simply: you're only proving my point

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51879925]Conflict requires two sides, and you're only fueling the other side with this kind of talk. Hate breeds hate; violence breeds violence.[/QUOTE] No doubt many in Germany said the same things during the late 20s and throughout the 30s. No doubt many stayed home on election day because Trump was seen as unelectable. Free societies have a right to self-preservation. Can you name one time that fascism has been discoursed from existence?

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51879935]No doubt many in Germany said the same things during the late 20s and throughout the 30s. Society has a right to self-preservation. Can you name one time that fascism has been discoursed from existence?[/QUOTE] You're asking the wrong question. You should be asking: "What caused fascism to come into existence?" Society has a right of self-preservation, but fascism [i]is[/i] society's self preservation instinct. Germany grew to favor fascism in the late 20s and 30s because they had been royally screwed over by WWI, and their people wanted revenge. When they saw a "hero" to do so, that's when fascism grew.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51879956]You're asking the wrong question. You should be asking: "What caused fascism to come into existence?" Society has a right of self-preservation, but fascism [i]is[/i] society's self preservation instinct. Germany grew to favor fascism in the late 20s and 30s because they had been royally screwed over by WWI, and their people wanted revenge. When they saw a "hero" to do so, that's when fascism grew.[/QUOTE] fascism almost always grows in nations where democracy is percieved as failing the people