Obama says fight for gun laws 'ought to obsess us' - Polidicks

[quote]President Barack Obama, speaking Sunday at a memorial service for victims of the Navy Yard shooting, said the U.S. must address gun violence. WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Sunday memorialized the victims of the Washington Navy Yard shooting by calling for a transformation in the nation's gun laws to address an epidemic of gun violence, saying, "There's nothing inevitable about it." Reprising his role of the nation's consoler in chief after yet another mass shooting, Obama said Americans should honor the victims of last Monday's shooting by insisting on a change in gun laws. "It ought to obsess us," Obama said. "Sometimes I fear there is a creeping resignation that these tragedies are just somehow the way it is, that this is somehow the new normal. We cannot accept this," Obama said. He said no other advanced nation endures the kind of gun violence seen in the United States, and blamed mass shootings in America on laws that fail "to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people." "What's different in America is it's easy to get your hands on a gun," he said. He acknowledged "the politics are difficult," a lesson he learned after failing to get expanded background checks for gun buyers through the Democratic-controlled Senate this spring. "And that's sometimes where the resignation comes from: the sense that our politics are frozen and that nothing will change. Well, I cannot accept that," Obama said. "By now, though, it should be clear that the change we need will not come from Washington, even when tragedy strikes Washington. Change will come the only way it ever has come, and that's from the American people." Obama joined military leaders in eulogizing the 12 victims killed in last Monday's shooting, speaking from the parade grounds at the Marine Barracks, a site personally selected by Thomas Jefferson because of its close marching distance to the Navy Yard. The memorial service came on the first day of fall, which shone brightly in Washington, with sun sparkling off the instruments being played by the Navy Band and the gold dress uniform buttons worn by so many in the crowd. The invitation-only crowd included around 4,000 mourners, with the victims' tearful, black-clad family members directly in front of the speakers' stage. The president and first lady met privately with the families before the service, White House officials said. Authorities say their loved ones' lives were taken Monday by shotgun-wielding Aaron Alexis, a 34-year-old former Navy reservist and information technology contractor who struggled with mental illness. Police killed Alexis in a gun battle. By the end of the day, the Senate's chief gun control proponent, California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, was calling on her colleagues to restart the debate on gun control and "do more to stop this endless loss of life." Obama didn't speak out on the issue until Saturday night, when he urged a Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner "to get back up and go back at it" to push gun control legislation that stalled in the Senate earlier this year. Obama proposed the legislation in the aftermath of the elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., that killed 20 first graders and six staff. Obama said it's clear from the Navy Yard shooting that the country needs to do a better job to secure its military facilities and improve mental health services, but also address gun laws.[/quote] [IMG]http://s3.argim.net/files/s/joker_here_we_go_.gif[/IMG] Source: [url]http://news.msn.com/us/obama-says-fight-for-gun-laws-ought-to-obsess-us[/url] Last time I checked, a Remington 870 would not fall in an assault weapons ban, but of course, the cow "Feinstein" has to drive hard the fact that assault weapons or "sporting rifles" are for bad people. If anything, it is the fault of the navy yard for not checking this guy at the gate properly.

Ain't it a problem that a private seller legally and easily can sell a gun to someone without conducting background checks?

[QUOTE=Van-man;42277581]Ain't it a problem that a private seller legally and easily can sell a gun to someone without conducting background checks?[/QUOTE] Yes, I can defiantly agree with that. But there are many things that they are trying to push that I and many people I know disagree with.

Media is the only reason why there is such a backlash against current gun laws. Stop giving gunmen attention or more people will copycat the shootings.

We ought to be obsessed with voting a third party into office some time

[QUOTE=Van-man;42277581]Ain't it a problem that a private seller legally and easily can sell a gun to someone without conducting background checks?[/QUOTE] It's pretty well advised that you transfer a firearm through a pawnshop or gunstore where they conduct background checks. But even if you don't do it, it's pretty unlikely that someone will ill intent is going to pay full price for a firearm to begin with. It would also be tough to enforce private sellers to properly transfer firearms through a gun or pawnshop, nobody wants to do that because of transfer fees that should be free.

thanks for the advice obama do you think we should fight for information privacy too?

[QUOTE=Siminov;42277602]Yes, I can defiantly agree with that. But there are many things that they are trying to push that I and many people I know disagree with.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised if the drugs coming from Mexico into the US is paid with weapons and ammunition bought from a private party. [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42277635]It's pretty well advised that you transfer a firearm through a pawnshop or gunstore where they conduct background checks. But even if you don't do it, it's pretty unlikely that someone will ill intent is going to pay full price for a firearm to begin with. It would also be tough to enforce private sellers to properly transfer firearms through a gun or pawnshop, nobody wants to do that because of transfer fees that should be free.[/QUOTE] Catch-22 You want retards without guns? make transferring gun ownership happening with a government controlled third party no matter what. In most cases that's already done with automobiles, so why not firearms?

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;42277612]Media is the only reason why there is such a backlash against current gun laws. Stop giving gunmen attention or more people will copycat the shootings.[/QUOTE] um maybe the reason there's a backlash is because people are getting shot to death? just a thought

why dont you focus on the real issue obama, mental health. that guy was completely nuts and received zero treatment but no, of course fixing our mental health system cant be solved by banning something so thats far too much effort for you huh

Hard to regulate firearms when it's one of the foundations of your country. He might just have to live with the fact that everyone's going to have a gun and there will continue to be mass shootings.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42277668]um maybe the reason there's a backlash is because people are getting shot to death? just a thought[/QUOTE] Mental health anyone? Seems to me all these "mass shooters" had mental health issues but were allowed to roam the streets. You can't stop crazy by banning firearms. You can only try to contain crazy in mental hospitals.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42277668]um maybe the reason there's a backlash is because people are getting shot to death? just a thought[/QUOTE] Rampage violence is a negligible cause of death in the US, yet it receives an extreme amount of media coverage and every time it happens the president for some reason feels obligated to throw in his 2 cents [QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;42277670]why dont you focus on the real issue obama, mental health.[/QUOTE] That's actually not even the real issue. If you wanted to get the highest dollar/lives saved ratio, you'd focus on heart health and cancer - i.e. sensible health care reform. The phrase 'gun control' should not even be on the president's lips if his actual goal is saving lives.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42277668]um maybe the reason there's a backlash is because people are getting shot to death? just a thought[/QUOTE] Well if you'd read anything about the most recent one, the guy was denied help from [I]government services[/I], so in effect a gun ban would do jack shit. Also the stuff that he used is illegal in DC anyways, so.

Also the shooter in this case PASSED the background check AND it was a shotgun that was used. So how would ANY of the previous legislation presented earlier this year have done ANYTHING to stop this?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;42277726]Well if you'd read anything about the most recent one, the guy was denied help from [I]government services[/I], so in effect a gun ban would do jack shit. Also the stuff that he used is illegal in DC anyways, so.[/QUOTE] yes that too, i was really wondering how they're gonna spin this one considering it happened in literally the most strictly gun controlled area in the entire US

[QUOTE=Kigen;42277741]Also the shooter in this case PASSED the background check AND it was a shotgun that was used. So how would ANY of the previous legislation presented earlier this year have done ANYTHING to stop this?[/QUOTE] AFAIK a error was made during the background check. Or I've misread a article regarding it.

America's economy is falling apart and socioeconomic inequality is higher than ever before. Better blame guns, they've always made a useful scapegoat whenever we (Congress) are going full retard.

[QUOTE=Van-man;42277754]AFAIK a error was made during the background check. Or I've misread a article regarding it.[/QUOTE] He passed a background check that allowed him onto the military base. And a separate one for the gun. The one that has the controversy around it is the one that allowed him onto the military base.

People kill guns.

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;42277619]We ought to be obsessed with voting a third party into office some time[/QUOTE] So this post gets massive approval while FP is still full of libertarian hate and ron paul jokes? Sounds kind of like dropping yourself directly between a rock and a hard place, hating the big guys and hating the little guys who present an opportunity to break [del]2[/del] 1-party system.

[QUOTE=Kigen;42277698]Mental health anyone? Seems to me all these "mass shooters" had mental health issues but were allowed to roam the streets. You can't stop crazy by banning firearms. You can only try to contain crazy in mental hospitals.[/QUOTE] I thought this would be a fairly well constructed argument but it actually turned out to be one of the most nonsensical, hurtful things I've read on here - grats [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=and;42277911]So this post gets massive approval while FP is still full of libertarian hate and ron paul jokes? Sounds kind of like dropping yourself directly between a rock and a hard place, hating the big guys and hating the little guys who present an opportunity to break [del]2[/del] 1-party system.[/QUOTE] maybe people just don't want ron paul in government

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42277921]I thought this would be a fairly well constructed argument but it actually turned out to be one of the most nonsensical, hurtful things I've read on here - grats [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] maybe people just don't want ron paul in government[/QUOTE] Yeah Ron Paul is also overall a probably weak candidate, I agree. I should've clarified, trying to claim he had any good ideas whatsoever relative to the major parties is still instant credibility suicide. That needs to stop before anything is going to change. Old problems call for new solutions, I'm just glad people are starting to see that switching from D to R or vice versa isn't much of a "change" of anything anymore. edit: Ok, so we're back to pretending we can fix things with the 2-party system, that's more like the FP I know.

People get shot all the time in major cities. Statistic. Some guy passes a check and shoots a few people at once. National tragedy. The fact that politicians will immediately latch on to it for a platform is the most disgusting part. I'm not even sure what emotions I'd feel if a loved one's death was being politicized in such a way.

Great, now all the idiots will start panic buying ammo again.

[QUOTE=Doom14;42278006]People get shot all the time in major cities. Statistic. Some guy passes a check and shoots a few people at once. National tragedy. The fact that politicians will immediately latch on to it for a platform is the most disgusting part. I'm not even sure what emotions I'd feel if a loved one's death was being politicized in such a way.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's being politicised because people getting killed by the dozen in major cities in the self proclaimed most developed country on earth is, y'know, a cause worthy of attempting a change?

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278156]Maybe it's being politicised because people getting killed by the dozen in major cities in the self proclaimed most developed country on earth is, y'know, a cause worthy of attempting a change?[/QUOTE] But where was Obama with the 13 people who were shot (one of them 3 years old) in a Chicago park? Where was Obama when there were 3 teens gunned down [I]in my city[/I] just a week ago? Why is it that suddenly something is politicized on TV it's acceptable to blow it out of proportion and create a strawman problem when there's huge issues sitting right in front of us that nobody cares to solve?

I'm surprised /pol/ isn't exploding into "obongo is brainwashing these men" conspiracies right now.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;42278171]But where was Obama with the 13 people who were shot (one of them 3 years old) in a Chicago park? Where was Obama when there were 3 teens gunned down [I]in my city[/I] just a week ago? [/QUOTE] Well there is a point to be made about the selective reporting of the media on events like this; Obama wasn't all over those because the media wasn't all over them like flies to shit, which is both an indictment of him and the media. I support the cause but I agree that it's screwed the fuck up.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278156]Maybe it's being politicised because people getting killed by the dozen in major cities in the self proclaimed most developed country on earth is, y'know, a cause worthy of attempting a change?[/QUOTE] well, what would you propose then? Having the right to own guns is one of our core foundations.