Russia offers Iran advanced S-300VM SAM systems - Polidicks

[QUOTE]MOSCOW, June 22 (RIA Novosti) – Moscow made a new attempt to dodge a $4-billion lawsuit from Tehran over a failed deal to supply S-300 missile systems by offering another type of air defense system to Iran, Kommersant daily said Saturday. The new offer on the table is Antei-2500, aka S-300VM, or SA-23 Gladiator in NATO nomenclature, the newspaper said, citing unnamed sources in the Russian arms trade industry. The missile defense system can simultaneously destroy up to 24 aircraft within the range a range of 200 kilometers or intercept up to 16 ballistic missiles. The deal can be formalized during the visit of outgoing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Moscow on July 1, an unnamed Iranian diplomat told Kommersant. Iran was initially interested in the S-300 missile complexes, signing in 2007 a contract worth $800 million for five missile defense systems of this make. But the deal was scrapped in 2010 by then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who was unilaterally expanding on sanctions against Iran imposed by the UN Security Council. While the S-300 was developed for the use by missile defense forces, the Antei-2500 was specifically tailored for the needs of ground forces, which could also be an advantage for Iran, known for its large land force. Russia is already exporting the Antei-2500, having delivered two missile systems to Venezuela earlier this year. India and Turkey were also named as potential buyers, though no deals were formalized so far.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://notiultimas.com/digital/images/stories/mundiales/Rusia/ARMAS/misiles%20s-300-.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://en.rian.ru/world/20130622/181809995/Russia-Offers-Iran-New-Replacement-for-S-300--Paper.html"]Source[/URL]

I'd like to see one of these systems against one of the US's new anti-missile laser systems that they're planning on mounting on anything that can stay airborne. Strange to thing that our counter-deterrents are now fighting other counter-deterrents.

Good for them. Its not an offensive weapon. Well not designed to be. I don't like that my country is being a bully and forcing it's weight around saying ''you can do this but not this''.

These things are fucking scary, these are pretty much aviation's #1 fear along with the tunguska.

Russian arms export customer service is second to none, it seems. It's like pizza places that offer the pizza free if it's late, except with this you get a better one.

The happenings continue to happen.... but when will it finally.... HAPPEN!?!?!

Holy [quote] The missile defense system can simultaneously destroy up to 24 aircraft within the range a range of 200 kilometers or intercept up to 16 ballistic missiles[/quote] Holy [I]Shit.[/I] Is that per [I]system?[/I] What defines a system?? [editline]24th June 2013[/editline] [quote]The Antey-2500 system comprises: command post; circular scan radar; sector scan radar; multichannel missile guidance station (MMGS) (4); 9A83M launcher (24); 9A84M loader-launcher (24); 9M82M air defense missiles; 9M83M air defense missiles; maintenance vehicles; maintenance and repair vehicles; group SPTA set; electronic trainer for MMGS operators; transporter vehicles; set of missiles handling equipment. [/quote] [I]Oh.[/I] Thats a lot of system.

Better go to war with Iran quick before they entrench their country in russian arms.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;41164453]these are pretty much aviation's #1 fear along with the tunguska.[/QUOTE] since when was mobile low-altitude defence artillery considered the #1 fear of aviation? there's much huger shit than tunguska that comes first for pilots to worry about like sa-6 and sa-21 and everything in between

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41164939]since when was mobile low-altitude defence artillery considered the #1 fear of aviation? there's much huger shit than tunguska that comes first for pilots to worry about like sa-6 and sa-21 and everything in between[/QUOTE] not to mention having to go to the bathroom, thats a HUGE fear I imagine.

Good. That's the fucking free market we go on and on about.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;41164698]Holy Holy [I]Shit.[/I] Is that per [I]system?[/I] What defines a system?? [editline]24th June 2013[/editline] [I]Oh.[/I] Thats a lot of system.[/QUOTE] Everything is tracked too, its designed to move with mechanized forces.

Good maybe this will keep us from sticking our boot into yet another place where it doesn't belong

[QUOTE=KingArcher;41171500]Good maybe this will keep us from sticking our boot into yet another place where it doesn't belong[/QUOTE] maybe russia should give them nuclear weapons to keep the US out too!

[QUOTE=Foda;41171970]maybe russia should give them nuclear weapons to keep the US out too![/QUOTE] that seems slightly excessive

That's like extremely stupid thinking. Just because they sell them one weapon, doesn't mean they're going to sell them some of the greatest state secrets.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41164939]since when was mobile low-altitude defence artillery considered the #1 fear of aviation? there's much huger shit than tunguska that comes first for pilots to worry about like sa-6 and sa-21 and everything in between[/QUOTE] I just spent a year learning shit like this in the military so here goes. Tunguskas are usually placed around self-propelled artillery units to protect them and those missiles can hit targets at up to 8km in the air. Those artillery units can be ready to fire in like 30 seconds and can pack up and leave in the same amount of time. So every time a pilot has to attack artillery units there is a high chance of them being shot down.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41164939]since when was mobile low-altitude defence artillery considered the #1 fear of aviation? there's much huger shit than tunguska that comes first for pilots to worry about like sa-6 and sa-21 and everything in between[/QUOTE] They are very deadly threats to helicopters. You can take down an entire flight troop's worth of helicopters with one of these systems. That is the fear factor. Now, for the Tunguska, you can hide them and ambush helicopters. There is not much you can do against a spew of 30mm shells. To think that Iran will have these capabilities is frightening to say the least.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;41176996]They are very deadly threats to helicopters. You can take down an entire flight troop's worth of helicopters with one of these systems. That is the fear factor. Now, for the Tunguska, you can hide them and ambush helicopters. There is not much you can do against a spew of 30mm shells. To think that Iran will have these capabilities is frightening to say the least.[/QUOTE] Why? It isn't like Iran is a rogue state like North Korea wanting to kill everyone.

Iran has actually got a fairly solid cinema culture. But that doesn't justify extremism. On a side note: Russia seems to consistently design badass looking helicopters/jets/weapons, like what is seen in the OP. Just my observation.

Why in every thread about Iran there's a discussion that goes this way: "Oh god it's a threat to us if we attack them". A threat to us. If we attack. Why. How about duh?.. Not thinking about attacking someone? The same attitude I see in .ru forums. "Bo hoo South Korea is arming with cool shit, is there a way we can beat them now?". It's like war is imminent.

[QUOTE=gudman;41177718]Why in every thread about Iran there's a discussion that goes this way: "Oh god it's a threat to us if we attack them". A threat to us. If we attack. Why. How about duh?.. Not thinking about attacking someone? The same attitude I see in .ru forums. "Bo hoo South Korea is arming with cool shit, is there a way we can beat them now?". It's like war is imminent.[/QUOTE]Russians have a problem with South Korea? That's a bit odd, surely not even the most die-hard Soviet-era nationalist will look at North Korea as it is now and think "Yep, they should rule the whole Korean Peninsula"?

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;41177777]Russians have a problem with South Korea? That's a bit odd, surely not even the most die-hard Soviet-era nationalist will look at North Korea as it is now and think "Yep, they should rule the whole Korean Peninsula"?[/QUOTE] That's the whole point, no one has problems with South Korea (which I took just for the sake of context). And yet a lot of people go to compare countries' armies through imaginary conflict.