• [UK] The 'growing issue' of homeless people sleeping in bins
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[img]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17371/production/_88498059_de27-1.jpg[/img] [quote]The number of homeless people found sleeping rough in recycling bins is growing, according to one of the biggest waste management firms in the UK. Why is this happening? "In the park, you do get abused and kicked and stuff like that. The other night… a few young guys were walking past, and one of them just booted me right in the face. "But in the bins you can hide so nobody can see you. It's kind of warm, nobody knows you are there," George explains on the streets of Bristol. He has been homeless since he lost his engineering job before Christmas, leaving him unable to pay the rent. George is one of a growing number of people in the UK found sleeping rough in large commercial recycling bins, according to the waste management firm Biffa.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35686743[/url]
Saw this on the news this morning, those bins are fucking disgusting too. Poor guys. I'd probably do that same if I was homeless, at least it's something over your head.
Holy shit; who actually goes around abusing the homeless?
Fucking bless him. How lonely must that man be... These are who our houses need to go to!
[QUOTE]George explains [B]on the streets of Bristol.[/B][/QUOTE] I shit you not, housing is so bad. It's the reason im still at home with the parents. Council Housing is usually the best way to go and there is a fucking huge waiting list.
From working in city centre Birmingham and travelling to and from at night the homeless numbers are on the rise. I left the pub and some guy asked me for change and he said some people do have a place to go but they choose not to and it intrigued me. Wonder what happened to him.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49843404]From working in city centre Birmingham and travelling to and from at night the homeless numbers are on the rise. I left the pub and some guy asked me for change and he said some people do have a place to go but they choose not to and it intrigued me. Wonder what happened to him.[/QUOTE] Maybe ashamed to ask for help? Possibly left an abusive household? Either way it's pretty sad.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;49843393]I shit you not, housing is so bad. It's the reason im still at home with the parents. Council Housing is usually the best way to go and there is a fucking huge waiting list.[/QUOTE] Funny enough pop a kid out and you are immediately at the top of that list, whether your parent material or not, hence why alot of people do it.
1/3 of young people from age of 18-25 are living with parents because it's not affordable to rent and buying a house via a mortgage is unaffordable, even if the conservatives have tried. The supply and demand in the UK and throughout europe is grossly disproportionate and the massive influx of 'refugees' and migrants has put huge amounts of pressure onto the supply. We are told natives of european countries are not breeding enough, causing underpopulation but that's because we care and understand the situation we are in, there is not enough resources to go around to support having many children
[QUOTE=Source;49843467]Funny enough pop a kid out and you are immediately at the top of that list, whether your parent material or not, hence why alot of people do it.[/QUOTE] Yes, it is really weird a couple with a baby is a higher priority...
Yeah, The same is happening here. Its like 600k in an area that has major crime. It used to be the houses in those area's were like 300k cheaper but recently they've spiked majorly to the point were its 1 million for a house. I can understand if they have the backyard that a lot of family's build or buy sleepouts for their backyards.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49843523]Yes, it is really weird a couple with a baby is a higher priority...[/QUOTE] If they can't take care of the kid then send the kid to an orphanage or someone elses home, putting them on top of the list over someone who had been waiting years would be really unfair.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49843555]If they can't take care of the kid then send the kid to an orphanage or someone elses home, putting them on top of the list over someone who had been waiting years would be really unfair.[/QUOTE] The system is broken. It's bullshit really, in Geography class in high school we had a module on it. Basically: Single parent with kid? - insta house Young family with kid? - insta house 'Refugee'? - insta house British National who is homeless? - fuck you m8 lol
The worst part is that actually housing more people is really hard in the UK iirc because building tall structures is incredibly risky in a lot of places. Something about the bedrock and soil or something.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;49843589]The system is broken. It's bullshit really, in Geography class in high school we had a module on it. Basically: Single parent with kid? - insta house Young family with kid? - insta house 'Refugee'? - insta house British National who is homeless? - fuck you m8 lol[/QUOTE] When I was homeless, I pretty much got told this, I got told I (Young, white, male) was second to lowest priority, the only people being lower than me were people who were just wanting to move house, and were in absoloutely no danger or particular real need. Took me 7 months to get the flat I'd been applying for all the time, and the kicker being, it had been empty for about 12 months including the 7 I was trying to get it.
[QUOTE=draugur;49843613]The worst part is that actually housing more people is really hard in the UK iirc because building tall structures is incredibly risky in a lot of places. Something about the bedrock and soil or something.[/QUOTE] Plus tons of properties sit empty because no one can afford to get on the housing ladder. Seriously if you're a young adult and don't have loaded parents you'll probably be renting for most of your life.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49843555]If they can't take care of the kid then send the kid to an orphanage or someone elses home, putting them on top of the list over someone who had been waiting years would be really unfair.[/QUOTE] I don't know, fair or not, it just sounds natural to me that a family would have a higher priority than a single person, or a couple with a dog. And with falling fertility rates and aging population, it simply makes sense to prioritize them, and in a twisted way "encourage"(or award) them to have a kid this way.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49843696]I don't know, fair or not, it just sounds natural to me that a family would have a higher priority than a single person, or a couple with a dog. And with falling fertility rates and aging population, it simply makes sense to prioritize them, and in a twisted way "encourage"(or award) them to have a kid this way.[/QUOTE] Devil's advocate part of me tells me it's people who only look at things short-term that get a kid just to get a house / apartment.
[quote]He has been homeless since he lost his engineering job before Christmas, leaving him unable to pay the rent.[/quote] The fact that you can have an Engineering certificate and still be that far below the poverty line these days is really spooky.
[QUOTE=pentium;49844023]The fact that you can have an Engineering certificate and still be that far below the poverty line these days is really spooky.[/QUOTE] I don't know what his case was, but over in the UK, anyone can call themselves an engineer really. You can have no qualifications at all and define yourself as one. It's things like 'Chartered Engineer' that are regulated here, not just the latter word. It could easily be 'Engineer - chief of putting one brick ontop of another and soldering 3 leads'
Doesn't help that there's a lot of properties out there sitting empty or held by baby boomers who aren't doing anything with them. Housing prices are going up at insane levels (my now-divorced folks bought their house for 35k in 1997, then sold it for 70 in 2005) and landlords are taking advantage of the situation as well. Council's no use either. I know a guy with a wife and two kids who's still living in a two-bedroom flat and there's no priority for moving him. I understand that getting housing for new families is important but that doesn't mean other people in need should be kicked to the curb either. Also there's a lot of inefficiency and bureaucracy and overall waste. For instance, one of my tutors from college once mentioned (this was back in the 90s, I think) that back when she and her husband lived in a two-bedroom house that they owned with their two kids a neighbour reported them and they were told to move into a bigger council house (despite there being adequate room, not as if it was a flat or anything) and jumped straight up to the top. Also, IIRC not too long ago there was a bit of uproar over landlords taking advantage of right-to-buy schemes. Basically if you lived in a council flat/house for a certain period of time (I think it was five or so years, not sure) you could buy the house at a discounted rate (up to £75,000) but the trouble is that a lot of people stopped/couldn't keep up paying off their mortgages and these ex-council properties soon ended up in the hands of private landlords, who'd jack up the prices. So there's that, too. Current Tory government doesn't give a shit about people and if anything is just making the system worse. [QUOTE=pentium;49844023]The fact that you can have an Engineering certificate and still be that far below the poverty line these days is really spooky.[/QUOTE] It feels like degrees don't count for shit when employers expect you to have experience in the respective field you're trying to go for, yet people can't get experience of said employers won't employ them unless they go on an apprenticeship. Even then (and this is from experience) it's difficult to get employment and often times companies start making redundancies, which means people lose these jobs that they have degrees for.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49844144] [B]Degrees don't count for shit [/B]when employers expect you to have experience in the respective field you're trying to go for, yet people can't get experience of said employers won't employ them unless they go on an apprenticeship. Even then (and this is from experience) it's difficult to get employment and often times companies start making redundancies, which means people lose these jobs that they have degrees for.[/QUOTE] yes they do don't spread information like this. a degree is a requirement to even be considered in many places. An example: applying for a graduate scheme with Agusta-westland, you NEED a 2:1 in a relevant engineering masters degree to get anywhere. So stop saying degrees are worthless, different degrees have different worth and need, sciences and engineering typically being top. [editline]1st March 2016[/editline] it's people like you that harp on that degrees are useless that contribute to degrees being worth less
I have a degree myself, not saying they're worthless but with some employers they may as well be.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49844204]yes they do don't spread information like this. a degree is a requirement [b]to even be considered in many places.[/b][/QUOTE] Well, often that's about how much worth the degree is. When you spend 5 years on something that just enables you to "be considered" it really doesn't sound worth that much, does it.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;49843484]1/3 of young people from age of 18-25 are living with parents because it's not affordable to rent and buying a house via a mortgage is unaffordable, even if the conservatives have tried. The supply and demand in the UK and throughout europe is grossly disproportionate and the massive influx of 'refugees' and migrants has put huge amounts of pressure onto the supply. We are told natives of european countries are not breeding enough, causing underpopulation but that's because we care and understand the situation we are in, there is not enough resources to go around to support having many children[/QUOTE] Well there would be enough resources to go around if the government weren't completely incompetent in the manner they distribute it.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49844204]yes they do don't spread information like this. a degree is a requirement to even be considered in many places. An example: applying for a graduate scheme with Agusta-westland, you NEED a 2:1 in a relevant engineering masters degree to get anywhere. So stop saying degrees are worthless, different degrees have different worth and need, sciences and engineering typically being top. [editline]1st March 2016[/editline] it's people like you that harp on that degrees are useless that contribute to degrees being worth less[/QUOTE] A Degree is required sure but maybe he meant you need the appropriate experience in the field you are applying for, so go for an apprenticeship? I'm looking at vehicle related apprenticeships myself because I can see it being a decent career.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49844262]Well, often that's about how much worth the degree is. When you spend 5 years on something that just enables you to "be considered" it really doesn't sound worth that much, does it.[/QUOTE] A degree in weather forecasting or whatever it was, in here, lands you a job at, guess what, Stapples! So you either get a degree in something actually useful and requested and work hard, or you're pretty much fucked. [editline]1st March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49844425]A Degree is required sure but maybe he meant you need the appropriate experience in the field you are applying for, so go for an apprenticeship? I'm looking at vehicle related apprenticeships myself because I can see it being a decent career.[/QUOTE] Mechanics and related affairs are always in need. I wish I had picked up the area instead of anything else.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;49843665]When I was homeless, I pretty much got told this, I got told I (Young, white, male) was second to lowest priority, the only people being lower than me were people who were just wanting to move house, and were in absoloutely no danger or particular real need. Took me 7 months to get the flat I'd been applying for all the time, and the kicker being, it had been empty for about 12 months including the 7 I was trying to get it.[/QUOTE] Well, lets be honest, why are you even entitled to a home in the first place? Just live with your parents.
[QUOTE=pentium;49844023]The fact that you can have an Engineering certificate and still be that far below the poverty line these days is really spooky.[/QUOTE] Ever since gas and telecoms companies started calling their employees "engineers", everyone gets muddled between labourers/technicians and degree-educated engineers. I don't know a single graduate from my engineering course who hasn't been employed and renting a house since graduation [editline]1st March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GordonZombie;49844144] It feels like degrees don't count for shit when employers expect you to have experience in the respective field you're trying to go for, yet people can't get experience of said employers won't employ them unless they go on an apprenticeship. Even then (and this is from experience) it's difficult to get employment and often times companies start making redundancies, which means people lose these jobs that they have degrees for.[/QUOTE] People who say this are generally graduates in subjects with no straight-forward career path like History or Geography, or ones with poor career prospects like Media. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the Geography grads I know are working in data entry or bar jobs, whilst all the STEM grads are doing PhDs or careers in their field. The problem isn't that degrees are worthless. It's that people choose worthless degrees.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49844862]Well, lets be honest, why are you even entitled to a home in the first place? Just live with your parents.[/QUOTE] Because I had gotten kicked out and was thus, homeless, not saying I was entitled, but certainly needy. Plus the places I was applying for and eventually got are 1 bedroomed flat, with the tenancy agreement only allowing a single person to live there.
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