California spends $21.8 billion on welfare for illegals annually - Polidicks

[quote]Welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants cost America's largest county more than $600 million last year, according to a local official keeping tabs on the cost. Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich released new statistics this week showing social spending for those families in his county rose to $53 million in November, putting the county government on track to spend more than $600 million on related costs for the year -- up from $570 million in 2009. Antonovich arrived at the estimate by factoring in the cost of food stamps and welfare-style benefits through a state program known as CalWORKS. Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the official claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010. "Not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education," he said in a statement. Antonovich's figures, though, center on costs generated by American-born children of illegal immigrants. Isabel Alegria, communications director at the California Immigrant Policy Center, said it's "unfair" to roll together costs associated with both illegal immigrants and U.S.-born citizens. "Those children are U.S. citizens, children eligible for those programs," Alegria said. She also questioned the authenticity of Antonovich's numbers regarding health care and public safety -- though for the welfare program statistics, Antonovich cited numbers from the county's Department of Public Social Services. Antonovich acknowledges that the children whose benefits he's focusing on are U.S.-born. But he argues that the money is collected by the illegal immigrant parents, putting a painful burden on taxpayers, including those who are legal immigrants. "The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their parents evidently immigrated here in order to get on social services," Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell said. "We can no longer afford to be HMO to the world." He said the state should cut back on these social benefits. According to the November statistics, that cost accounted for 22 percent of all food stamp and CalWORKS spending in the county. Over the summer, the Federation for American Immigration Reform also looked at these kinds of costs nationwide to get an idea of the burden to local governments at a time when many are grappling with budget deficits. The organization reported that the cost of illegal immigration stands at about $113 billion a year. Nearly half of that amount went toward education costs, according to the study. Costs were naturally higher in states with large illegal immigrant populations -- in California, the total annual cost was pegged at $21.8 billion. Read more: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/19/welfare-tab-children-illegal-immigrants-estimated-m-la-county/#ixzz1BcopAnTF[/url][/quote] :foxnews:

inb4 Glaber [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] But technically the welfare money is being spent on American citizens with illegals for parents

[quote]"The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their parents evidently immigrated here in order to get on social services," [/quote] The problem is your broken system that makes it nearly impossible to immigrate legally and your war on drugs that turns Mexico into a violent hell-hole that everyone wants to get away from.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27553035]The problem is your broken system that makes it nearly impossible to immigrate legally and your war on drugs that turns Mexico into a violent hell-hole that everyone wants to get away from.[/QUOTE] The problem is we don't have a wall that goes 15 feet up and 6 feet down from the surface

If we fix the gangs and stuff in Mexico, people wouldn't have to immigrate.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553095]The problem is we don't have a wall that goes 15 feet up and 6 feet down from the surface[/QUOTE] Yeah keep them out for good lol How's being xenophobic going

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553095]The problem is we don't have a wall that goes 15 feet up and 6 feet down from the surface[/QUOTE] The problem is that mexico is too much sand and not enough glass OORAH

[QUOTE=Mandalorian;27552995]inb4 Glaber [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] But technically the welfare money is being spent on American citizens with illegals for parents[/QUOTE]in a sense it's kind of the same thing, more or less depends on how you look at it

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27553188]Yeah keep them out for good lol How's being xenophobic going[/QUOTE] yeah keeping boarders safe is really xenophobic lol

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27553188]Yeah keep them out for good lol How's being xenophobic going[/QUOTE] What does Ridley Scott's Aliens have to do with this? Anyway, regardless of the racism you are jumping to (again), I don't dislike Mexicans or Latinos or people of any skin shade. I dislike people that break the law. And they are breaking the law.

Legalize cannabis and problem solved. While they're at it, they can make paid lobbying illegal and considered bribery as it is.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553095]The problem is we don't have a wall that goes 15 feet up and 6 feet down from the surface[/QUOTE] I love how you're going to alienate people because of where they were born, like they have any control over it or like you are somehow special because of the accomplishments of your lineage. You're literally just pointing the finger as if you're superior in some way. All this libertarian crap preaches such a double standard - you have the tea party saying that people should be free from the government, but then they hate mexicans and oppose immigration.

it's not spent on illegals, it's spent on the children of illegal immigrants that are born in the US. Anyone born in the US is an American citizen, and deserves the rights any other American citizen has, whether or not their parents are illegal. [QUOTE=Ridge;27553248] Anyway, regardless of the racism you are jumping to (again), I don't dislike Mexicans or Latinos or people of any skin shade. I dislike people that break the law. And they are breaking the law.[/QUOTE] the parents are breaking the law, but the people that are actually receiving the welfare, the children of the illegal immigrants, aren't

If you make immigration easier, we will be dealing with U.S. citizens not illegal immigrants.

I know some illegals. They are nice guys that work for low pay. they make up that 21 billion by working shit jobs no one wants to do for low pay.

[QUOTE=redBadger;27553172]If we fix the gangs and stuff in Mexico, people wouldn't have to immigrate.[/QUOTE] I don't know if WE should fix the shit in Mexico, but something needs to be done. If it really comes down to it, America will have to do something about it. The Drug War is leaking into the United States, it's causing illegal immigration, gang violence, drug trafficking, illegal firearms sales and more.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553095]The problem is we don't have a wall that goes 15 feet up and 6 feet down from the surface[/QUOTE] Now your sounding like a hill billy. oh noes my automerge

I have no problem with immigrants, and while I think that the system for legal immigration needs to be reworked, that doesn't make it okay to illegally immigrate. [QUOTE=Zeke129;27553035]The problem is your broken system that makes it nearly impossible to immigrate legally and your war on drugs that turns Mexico into a violent hell-hole that everyone wants to get away from.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it sucks, I agree, but that doesn't make it okay to do it illegally.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27553274]I love how you're going to alienate people because of where they were born, like they have any control over it or like you are somehow special because of the accomplishments of your lineage. You're literally just pointing the finger as if you're superior in some way. All this libertarian crap preaches such a double standard - you have the tea party saying that people should be free from the government, but then they hate mexicans and oppose immigration.[/QUOTE] You're so all over the place I'm not sure if there is a point. My lineage's accomplishments? 3 generations of Chicago cops who's dad moved here from Ireland? Whoop-de-doo. I say we actually enforce the federal laws about immigration, deport those who break it back to the country they came from, and allow them a chance to come through the legal way. [quote]you have the tea party saying that people should be free from the government, but then they hate mexicans and oppose immigration.[/quote] I'm not affiliated with the Tea Party, but you are quite literally comparing two entirely different planks of their platform...

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27553287]it's not spent on illegals, it's spent on the children of illegal immigrants that are born in the US. Anyone born in the US is an american citizen[/QUOTE] Who couldn't had become legal citizens if their parents hadn't broken the law by illegally entering.

how about reforming our fucking joke of an immigration system rather than blindly following the law [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DanTehMan;27553375]Who couldn't had become legal citizens if their parents hadn't broken the law by illegally entering.[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=Lazor;27553402]what[/QUOTE] What part are you having trouble understanding?

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553358]You're so all over the place I'm not sure if there is a point. My lineage's accomplishments? 3 generations of Chicago cops who's dad moved here from Ireland? Whoop-de-doo. I say we actually enforce the federal laws about immigration, deport those who break it back to the country they came from, and allow them to come through the legal way.[/quote] And somehow people from Mexico shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to America and have a chance? You really think a wall will solve the problem? A wall is basically just symbolic, if someone really wanted to get in they can. [quote] I'm not affiliated with the Tea Party, but you are quite literally comparing two entirely different planks of their platform...[/QUOTE] I'm just saying there are people that say they support the idea of absolute freedom, yet they hate the idea of immigration because of artificially drawn boundaries nobody alive had any control over.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553248] Anyway, regardless of the racism you are jumping to (again), I don't dislike Mexicans or Latinos or people of any skin shade. I dislike people that break the law. And they are breaking the law.[/QUOTE] I never said you were racist is that a conservative persecution complex I see? aww

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27553427]And somehow people from Mexico shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to America and have a chance? You really think a wall will solve the problem? A wall is basically just symbolic, if someone really wanted to get in they can.[/quote] I specifically said in my quote that they should have a chance to come through the legal route. [quote]I'm just saying there are people that say they support the idea of absolute freedom, yet they hate the idea of immigration because of artificially drawn boundaries nobody alive had any control over.[/QUOTE] The borders were formed through the course of business deals and wars fought. Are you saying that all of the world should just do away with borders because the people who drew them are dead? Utter chaos. [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;27553446]I never said you were racist is that a conservative persecution complex I see? aww[/QUOTE] You are saying I have a fear of other races, which is insinuating I am therefore racist.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553425]What part are you having trouble understanding?[/QUOTE] hey, you, read my post [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27553287]it's not spent on illegals, it's spent on the children of illegal immigrants that are born in the US. Anyone born in the US is an American citizen, and deserves the rights any other American citizen has, whether or not their parents are illegal. [QUOTE=Ridge;27553248] Anyway, regardless of the racism you are jumping to (again), I don't dislike Mexicans or Latinos or people of any skin shade. I dislike people that break the law. And they are breaking the law.[/QUOTE] the parents are breaking the law, but the people that are actually receiving the welfare, the children of the illegal immigrants, aren't[/QUOTE] The fact that the title of your thread is [i]provably wrong[/i] shows that you're either trying to bend the facts, or that you do not understand the situation. Which is it?

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553095]The problem is we don't have a wall that goes 15 feet up and 6 feet down from the surface[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHjKBjM1ngw&feature=related[/media]

Make it easier to become a citizen and 1 you dont have illegals and 2 they dont have to work for pennies on the dollar. everyone wins, except Old white rich ladies who like cheap house cleaning.

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553425]What part are you having trouble understanding?[/QUOTE] it's a terrible clusterfuck of a sentence but after reading it 18 times i believe i have a rudimentary understanding of it

[QUOTE=Ridge;27553460]I specifically said in my quote that they should have a chance to come through the legal route.[/quote] Yeah my bad I misread. I still don't see what a wall will due besides cause some sort of false sense of security. People will get through if they want. America owes a lot of money and building a huge wall along a border would have insane monetary costs. [quote] The borders were formed through the course of business deals and wars fought. Are you saying that all of the world should just do away with borders because the people who drew them are dead? Utter chaos. [/QUOTE] Except things have changed since the borders were drawn, you're justifying xenophobia by using a system cemented in stone centuries ago. I never said borders are useless, trying to reinforce them to give yourself some sort of sense of safety is madness.