Hawaii orders gun owners on medical marijuna to surrender firearms - Polidicks

[quote]If you use medical marijuana, you must turn in your guns. That’s according to the Honolulu Police Department, which has been sending out letters to legal users of medicinal weed that they must forfeit their weapons, as reported by multiple news organizations. The first legal medical marijuana dispensary opened in Hawaii this August, according to the Associated Press, even though medicinal pot was first legalized in 2000. There are currently 29 states that have some form of legalized medical pot. But the drug is still illegal under federal law, which trumps any laws on weed that states may pass, Joshua E. Jackson, spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), told LeHigh Valley Live in Pennsylvania.[/quote] [url]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article187082303.html[/url] So it's fine to be popping Endone like its going out of fashion and own a gun but you can't smoke weed :downs: It's pretty hypocritical of them to ignore all federal marijuana legislation except the one law that bans gun owners from taking (federally) illicit drugs.

Fuck off cunts.

Courts are gonna shut this shit down, fast

'As the government we need to preserve at least a [I]little[/I] [B]REEFER MADNESS[/B] fear.'

What the fuck? No. And also Why??

[QUOTE=Firetornado;52933953]What the fuck? No. And also Why??[/QUOTE] Because federally pot is still a schedule I drug, and its use bars one from possessing and owning firearms. The same thing holds true in states like California and Colorado, their governments just haven't gone after people yet.

I'd trust someone who smokes weed better with a gun than some drunk loon.

Running into the same issue here in PA, I know a LOT of people who are interested in medical but don't want to be barred from owning guns. It makes no sense - you can own alcohol and guns, you can be prescribed opiates and own guns, how marijuana, a drug significantly less harmful (and impairing in many ways) is being treated as [I]more[/I] dangerous is beyond me. If stuff like this doesn't get cut out, the black market isn't going to go away when legalization finally rolls through, however long even that takes.

I absolutely [B]refuse[/B] to relinquish my Constitutionally given 2nd Amendment rights in return for the "right" to smoke a plant that should not have [U]ever[/U] been federally banned. It's fucking ludicrous.

and people say I'm paranoid about confiscation.

Theres alot of old fashioned types with power in Hawaii who don't want Medical Cannabis or Recreational cannabis to be legal. They don't want this despite popular support for medical usage, so they do stuff like this to discourage it. Like with the medical dispensaries they set it up so the only way you could apply for a retail license is if you had atleast 1 million dollars in capital. Oh and they purposely price above black market to "avoid it entering the market" so there's virtually no reason to visit one of these dispensaries any way.

it is pretty amazing how these idiots bitch about those evil weed crimes yet are causing it by not allowing weed but gosh if you legalize it criminals will have weed!! Small government guys! [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52933976]Because federally pot is still a schedule I drug, and its use bars one from possessing and owning firearms. The same thing holds true in states like California and Colorado, their governments just haven't gone after people yet.[/QUOTE] it really is sad how weed, a drug with as much potential as it has, is no joke unironically illegal because they needed to crack down on [I]something[/I]

Now I've heard - and I don't know how true this is - that the active ingredient in Cannabis, while utterly harmless for most people, may trigger latent psychosis or schizophrenia-like symptoms in individuals with the right genetic markers. If you look at it from that approach, maybe it makes a little sense - but the occurrences of this happening are still too rare, as I understand it, to justify such a stupid general measure. For anyone who actually knows about this stuff, is such a thing common enough to be a concern?

:jawdrop: IMPOSSIBLE! I was told countless times on this forum registration would NEVER lead to confiscation!

[QUOTE=archangel125;52934457]Now I've heard - and I don't know how true this is - that the active ingredient in Cannabis, while utterly harmless for most people, may trigger latent psychosis or schizophrenia-like symptoms in individuals with the right genetic markers. If you look at it from that approach, maybe it makes a little sense - but the occurrences of this happening are still too rare, as I understand it, to justify such a stupid general measure. For anyone who actually knows about this stuff, is such a thing common enough to be a concern?[/QUOTE] You would have to be predisposed to developing schizophrenia in the first place, or likely to develop it later on anyways. Same thing can happen with uppers, psychedelics, and even alcohol. Alcohol withdrawal from chronic abuse can also cause hallucinations and psychosis in a similar manner that uppers would. So really if you call for a gun take away of medical weed the same could be said for anyone who is prescribed stimulative ADD medicines and anyone who drinks over x amount of alcohol. Basically it shouldn't be in the governments position to decide in the first place unless it's specifically a dependence or mental disorder (which is already on on the 4473 form). This is just Hawaii trying to get rid of the public's want for medical/recreational cannabis, as stated above, via Federal Law prohibited any illegal drug users from owning firearms. Fed needs to get with the times and this wouldn't be an issue.

Im all for legalization, but until it gets legalized federally, which very well may be never, theres no way Id go buy weed legally and get put on that list.

I have been considering getting a medical marijuana license, but shit like this makes me jumpy. On a more, "go fuck yourselves" note though, if I was put in a similar situation, I would probably put a "Come and Take It" flag in my front yard just to spite them. :v:

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52935089]I have been considering getting a medical marijuana license, but shit like this makes me jumpy. On a more, "go fuck yourselves" note though, if I was put in a similar situation, I would probably put a "Come and Take It" flag in my front yard just to spite them. :v:[/QUOTE] That's a dangerous move to make when it's becoming more and more common for police to send in SWAT teams to execute a warrant for mere misdemeanors anymore.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52935089]I have been considering getting a medical marijuana license, but shit like this makes me jumpy. On a more, "go fuck yourselves" note though, if I was put in a similar situation, I would probably put a "Come and Take It" flag in my front yard just to spite them. :v:[/QUOTE] While I agree with you about the flag bit, it's also an easy way to get killed. Challenging the authority of the police in the context of firearm confiscation will make them feel like they really, really [B]have to[/B] "Come and Take It". And they'd probably argue, [I]"Hey, the sign SAID to come and take it.."[/I] after they fill you with bullets, and take your guns.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52935089]I have been considering getting a medical marijuana license, but shit like this makes me jumpy. On a more, "go fuck yourselves" note though, if I was put in a similar situation, I would probably put a "Come and Take It" flag in my front yard just to spite them. :v:[/QUOTE] I'd just go for the old stand by tragic boating accident

i, too, lost all my firearms in a boating accident, sorry for the inconvenience, officers

[QUOTE=Quark:;52935415]i, too, lost all my firearms in a boating accident, sorry for the inconvenience, officers[/QUOTE] Doesn't that get you either jail time or a heavy, heavy fine for not reporting a firearm stolen or lost, though? That's just trading one pair of handcuffs for another

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52935421]Doesn't that get you either jail time or a heavy, heavy fine for not reporting a firearm stolen or lost, though? That's just trading one pair of handcuffs for another[/QUOTE] depends on the jurisdiction

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52935421]Doesn't that get you either jail time or a heavy, heavy fine for not reporting a firearm stolen or lost, though? That's just trading one pair of handcuffs for another[/QUOTE] You don't have to report a firearm lost or stolen, but you should. At least, that's what it's like where I live.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52935089]I have been considering getting a medical marijuana license, but shit like this makes me jumpy. On a more, "go fuck yourselves" note though, if I was put in a similar situation, I would probably put a "Come and Take It" flag in my front yard just to spite them. :v:[/QUOTE] So if you were struck with, say, cancer or some other debilitating disease that causes you active pain - you would rather suffer that and die than give up your weapons? I realize this is a bit of strawman, but that's what I'm getting from this.

The damn thing slipped right off my boat when a big wave hit me [editline]30th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52935089]I have been considering getting a medical marijuana license, but shit like this makes me jumpy. On a more, "go fuck yourselves" note though, if I was put in a similar situation, I would probably put a "Come and Take It" flag in my front yard just to spite them. :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah im sure youll ne able to explain the joke to them when they kick down your door at 3am and shoot your dog

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52935507]So if you were struck with, say, cancer or some other debilitating disease that causes you active pain - you would rather suffer that and die than give up your weapons? I realize this is a bit of strawman, but that's what I'm getting from this.[/QUOTE] "bit of a strawman" may very well be the understatement of the century here

[QUOTE=butre;52935519]"bit of a strawman" may very well be the understatement of the century here[/QUOTE] It's a valid question though, at least in the context of the post I quoted.

[QUOTE=butre;52934299]and people say I'm paranoid about confiscation.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Toybasher;52934464]:jawdrop: IMPOSSIBLE! I was told countless times on this forum registration would NEVER lead to confiscation![/QUOTE] Hawaii has had a firearm registry for something like fifty years, and to my knowledge it's never been used to solve a crime- but now it's being used for confiscation. I can't imagine a more clear-cut example to justify opposing firearm registries, but I'm sure there will be people who continue to insist that you must be paranoid to think that something that has happened in multiple states will happen again.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52935507]So if you were struck with, say, cancer or some other debilitating disease that causes you active pain - you would rather suffer that and die than give up your weapons? I realize this is a bit of strawman, but that's what I'm getting from this.[/QUOTE] I absolutely, without a single doubt, would rather suffer and die from cancer than surrender my rights as a tax paying, naturalized citizen of the United States of America. Not one thing, not one single plant that you can put in your body should [B]ever[/B] be a reason to revoke your rights. [B]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, [U]shall not be infringed.[/U][/B] This right, and many others, were afforded to us by our nation's founders. The text is clear, the intent is obvious, and the right [B]shall not be infringed. [/B]Stand up for your rights, and refuse to give in to a system that would have your rights revoked over a simple lifestyle choice that doesn't harm anyone, never has harmed anyone, and never will harm anyone.