Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss (R) says military sexual assaults aren't surprising with all those y - Polidicks

[quote](CNN) -- Representatives from both political parties on Tuesday slammed U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss after he said that hormones may be partly responsible for sexual assaults in the military. His controversial comments came during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the subject. Addressing top military officials, Chambliss, R-Georgia, said: [B]"The young folks that are coming into each of your services are anywhere from 17 to 22-23. Gee whiz -- the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur."[/B] [img]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/121123083835-saxby-chambliss-story-top.jpg[/img][/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/04/politics/chambliss-sexual-assaults/index.html[/url]

yeah ok so all teenagers/people in their early 20s are raging sex machines that rape everything in sight wait a minute

kids will be kids right

He didn't say anything really wrong. He wasn't making an excuse for rape.

I guess he's right in a way. Testosterone bro. It's not a justification for sexual assault though.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40942236]He didn't say anything really wrong. He wasn't making an excuse for rape.[/QUOTE] he's marginalizing rape by shifting the blame to hormones. it's typical "boys will be boys" garbage [editline]1[/editline] it's akin to saying "she dressed like a slut, I'm not surprised she was raped"

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40942236]He didn't say anything really wrong. He wasn't making an excuse for rape.[/QUOTE] It still sounds iffy, even if he wasn't being an idiot. Poor wording.

I don't think he's using the explanation as an excuse to dismiss things. He's just saying that unstable physical development and a stressful lifestyle can be contributing factors to people developing the mindset that leads to these sort of incidents.

[QUOTE=Dori;40942265]he's marginalizing rape by shifting the blame to hormones. it's typical "boys will be boys" garbage[/QUOTE] How do you get that out of it?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40942303]How do you get that out of it?[/QUOTE] reading the article

[QUOTE=Dori;40942305]reading the article[/QUOTE] I don't see anything suggesting he is shifting personnel responsibility away from the action.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40942329]I don't see anything suggesting he is shifting personnel responsibility away from the action.[/QUOTE] hormones don't cause people to become rapists

[QUOTE=Dori;40942305]reading the article[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dori;40942265]he's marginalizing rape by shifting the blame to hormones. it's typical "boys will be boys" garbage [editline]1[/editline] it's akin to saying "she dressed like a slut, I'm not surprised she was raped"[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about [quote=the article]Addressing top military officials, Chambliss, R-Georgia, said: "The young folks that are coming into each of your services are anywhere from 17 to 22-23. Gee whiz -- the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur. "So we've got to be very careful on how we address it on our side, [B]but guys, we're not doing our job. You're not doing yours, and we're not doing ours with the rates that we are seeing on sexual assaults[/B]. "As I said to start with, you recognize it. We recognize it, and [B]we got to figure this thing out because we simply can't tolerate it.[/B]"[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dori;40942335]hormones don't cause people to become rapists[/QUOTE] Where did he say that? He said that when you have a bunch of horny people it creates the possibility it will happen. [editline]7th June 2013[/editline] [quote]Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, called for Chambliss to apologize. "For a United States senator, or anyone, to write off sexual assault and the personal violation of a woman or a man to the raging hormones of youth shows just how dramatically out of touch the Republican Party is," she told MSNBC. "I think he should think about whether if, God forbid, a sexual assault happened to a daughter of his, would he think it was OK for a senator to just chalk the assault up to raging hormones?"[/quote] Jeez she is such a fucking hack

that guy has a fantastic name

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40942370]Jeez she is such a fucking hack[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm not really understanding the outrage here. He's saying that we need to address sexual assault in the armed forces because it is unacceptable. Why the hand-waving freak-outery?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;40942370] Jeez she is such a fucking hack[/QUOTE] except she's absolutely right? I don't understand why a person like you isn't screaming bloody misandry in response to someone who is essentially claiming that men are biologically predisposed to becoming rapists

[QUOTE=Dori;40942481]I don't understand why a person like you isn't screaming bloody misandry[/QUOTE] it begins

[QUOTE=Dori;40942481]except she's absolutely right? I don't understand why a person like you isn't screaming bloody misandry in response to someone who is essentially claiming that men are biologically predisposed to becoming rapists[/QUOTE] How the hell did you deduce that from his statement?

He's right and he's also wrong.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40942508]How the hell did you deduce that from his statement?[/QUOTE] "the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur"

[QUOTE=Dori;40942481]except she's absolutely right? I don't understand why a person like you isn't screaming bloody misandry in response to someone who is essentially claiming that men are biologically predisposed to becoming rapists[/QUOTE] They are biologically predisposed to being horny fuckers. That is literally all he was saying, that when you have a ton of really horny men, who are for the most part cut off from any release, it creates the possibility of rape. [editline]7th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;40942518]"the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur"[/QUOTE] It does

Hormones (Testosterone) does increase aggressiveness, and rape is often about control and domination of another person through physical aggressiveness.

[QUOTE=Dori;40942481]I don't understand why a person like you isn't screaming bloody misandry in response to someone who is essentially claiming that men are biologically predisposed to becoming rapists[/QUOTE] except he isn't. his comment is implying that in an organization that primarily employs people between the ages of 18 into the early 20s or so, who work and live in very close proximity with one another, it should be expected that there will be problems with sexual assault. By the way, both women and men are victims of rape in the armed forces. He goes on to point out that it's still unacceptable and that we need to address the problem. What's the deal? [editline]7th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;40942518]"the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur"[/QUOTE] He's identifying an underlying fact, he isn't condoning that fact.

[QUOTE=Dori;40942335]hormones don't cause people to become rapists[/QUOTE] hormones do create the sexual desire. you forget that rape/sexual assault is pretty nuanced and covers a lot of different types of behavior. a lot of rapists probably don't even realize that what they do is indeed rape. our culture itself normalizes many types of sexual assaults and passes it off as normal sexual behavior. so someone who has a strong sex drive and assertiveness might commit a very bad act because they don't actually understand that what they are doing is wrong. [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] personally i think what he said was wrong because the hormones themselves don't cause the sexual assaults, normalization of violence/coercion against women in our culture causes it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40942567]personally i think what he said was wrong because the hormones themselves don't cause the sexual assaults, normalization of violence/coercion against women in our culture causes it.[/QUOTE] Really? Seems violence against men is far more mainstream, Just look at boxing, UFC, mens contact sports Etc. Not only is it more mainstream it's far more accepted. You see more outrage at a woman getting hit by a man than a man getting hit by a man. You're right about it being more than hormones. It takes a controlling or extremely angry person and the hormones added on top of that. Guess what types are drawn to the military environment? I think that is what Mr. Chambliss wants to change.

[QUOTE=benwaddi;40942800]Really? Seems violence against men is far more mainstream, Just look at boxing, UFC, mens contact sports Etc. Not only is it more mainstream it's far more accepted. You see more outrage at a woman getting hit by a man than a man getting hit by a man. You're right about it being more than hormones. It takes a controlling or extremely angry person and the hormones added on top of that.[B] Guess what types are drawn to the military environment?[/B] I think that is what Mr. Chambliss wants to change.[/QUOTE] That's a hefty generalization you got there. There are many, many reasons why different individuals join the military and I seriously doubt "because they're angry and aggressive" is even a marginal amount of those reasons.

this is an example of people unaware of their misogynistic tendencies or ways of thinking, because it's institutionalized thus not noticed While he probably is'nt an overt sexist, he should learn from this poor choice of words

[QUOTE=The Baconator;40942861]this is an example of people unaware of their misogynistic tendencies or ways of thinking, because it's institutionalized thus not noticed While he probably is'nt an overt sexist, he should learn from this poor choice of words[/QUOTE] Really, how is this misogynistic?

[QUOTE=benwaddi;40942800]Really? Seems violence against men is far more mainstream, Just look at boxing, UFC, mens contact sports Etc. Not only is it more mainstream it's far more accepted. You see more outrage at a woman getting hit by a man than a man getting hit by a man. You're right about it being more than hormones. It takes a controlling or extremely angry person and the hormones added on top of that. Guess what types are drawn to the military environment? I think that is what Mr. Chambliss wants to change.[/QUOTE] well violence is normalized in general as being masculine and powerful. but yea violence against women is to a great degree normalized. particularly sexual violence. not just through media but through our culture as a whole. while it may or not be glorified, it is generally thought of as normal or acceptable to a certain degree. an example of the normalization of sexual violence against women is "slut-shaming".