• Church Of England To Review Gay Policies
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[url]http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/07/02/Church-of-England-to-review-gay-policies/UPI-73371309617313/[/url] [quote]LONDON, July 2 (UPI) -- The Church of England says it will review its policy on same-sex relationships and would consider letting gay clergy be ordained as bishops. There is pressure on the Anglican church to conform to laws guaranteeing equal treatment to gay people, the BBC reported Saturday. "It is now nearly six years since the house issued its pastoral statement prior to the introduction of civil partnerships in December 2005," the church said in a statement. "The preparation of that document was the last occasion when the house devoted substantial time to the issue of same-sex relationships. We undertook to keep that pastoral statement under review. We have decided that the time has come for a review to take place." The BBC said the church's announcement suggests it might be on course for a greater acceptance of homosexuality -- a move that would be strongly resisted by traditionalists.[/quote] This is a good thing.
Yes they have been looking at this for years now, the last time it was about allowing gay priests or something.
Traditionalists can piss off... theres nothing wrong with Gay priests, etc.
Well, they seem to have realised they have two choices : either get with the times or [del]fuck off and die[/del] lose credibility. They seem to be going with the former, which I'm okay with.
Better idea: England abolishes the state religion
English religions are beginning to accept gays. Makes the US look REALLY backward...
if priests are celibate what does it matter who they want to fiddle with they're not doing it if anything the gays are better at denying their temptations so that should be encouraged anglican church proposes all priests convert to homosexuality
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;30853219] anglican church proposes all priests convert to homosexuality[/QUOTE] You can't convert sexualities though.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;30853219]if priests are celibate what does it matter who they want to fiddle with they're not doing it if anything the gays are better at denying their temptations so that should be encouraged anglican church proposes all priests convert to homosexuality[/QUOTE] And how, exactly, are gay guys better at denying temptations?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;30853219]if priests are celibate what does it matter who they want to fiddle with they're not doing it if anything the gays are better at denying their temptations so that should be encouraged anglican church proposes all priests convert to homosexuality[/QUOTE] I believe priests from the Church of England can marry and have sex and are also male and female.
[QUOTE=conman420;30853171]English religions are beginning to accept gays. Makes the US look REALLY backward...[/QUOTE] You do realize a few churches in the United States are completly fine with homosexuality, and like previously said it's just the people who follow tradition.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30851793] [del]fuck off and die[/del] lose credibility. [/QUOTE] since when did the c of e have credibility?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30853154]Better idea: England abolishes the state religion[/QUOTE] Heh, it's funny, we technically still have a state religion but are a majority atheist nation :v: [editline]2nd July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;30855142]since when did the c of e have credibility?[/QUOTE] lol I dunno
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30855219]Huh? Source on that?[/QUOTE] no we're majority muslim now! :downs:
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30855219]Huh? Source on that?[/QUOTE] Statistics from a census confirmed it a while ago. Let me find it. [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/24/religion-respecting-the-minority[/url]
You should learn the difference between "no religion" and "atheist"
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30855401]Over 50% aren't religious? Well that's pretty cool, I wonder what it's like in other European countries? [editline]2nd July 2011[/editline] Yeah there's a difference, one doesn't give a shit about religion and the other opposes it.[/QUOTE] no it doesn't that's an antitheist [editline]3rd July 2011[/editline] If you have no religion then it means you don't follow a religion. You could still believe in a higher power. If you are an atheist it means you do not believe in a god. It does not imply positive belief in any direction (for example being sure that no gods exist).
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30855401] Yeah there's a difference, one doesn't give a shit about religion and the other opposes it.[/QUOTE] That's apatheist and antitheist, atheist is just not believing in a god.
CofE has always been a pretty cool Christian group compared to others around. Generally fairly liberal people who aren't up in your face about it.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30855885]Okay so there's 80 different words for it. Pick one and stick with it for fucks sake, everyone on FP is an atheist and they still shit on religion every chance they get, same thing with Richard Dawkins, they all obviously hate religion yet they're still calling themselves atheists.[/QUOTE] Being atheist is pretty much a prerequisite for being an antitheist.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30853154]Better idea: England abolishes the state religion[/QUOTE] The Church has no say whatsoever in how the country is run. It's basically like how the Queen is head of State but has no power. It's ironic that the CoE has less power over the British government than the various churches in the US have over the US government, even though the Separation of Church and State is guaranteed in US law while it isn't in British.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;30855401] Yeah there's a difference, one doesn't give a shit about religion and the other opposes it.[/QUOTE] not believing in a god != opposing religion
Shows how little the CofE actually cares about what the Bible says when it comes to stuff like this.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;30855383]You should learn the difference between "no religion" and "atheist"[/QUOTE] If you don't actively believe in a deity, you're an atheist by definition. I know the term has stigma attached to it, but really, get used to it. [editline]2nd July 2011[/editline] I guess you could have people who believe in a personal god but have it unattached to any mainstream religion.
Atheists believe there is no god, agnostics claim there is no way to know. They both fall under no religion, and more people are agnostic than atheist.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;30857078]Atheists believe there is no god, agnostics claim there is no way to know. They both fall under no religion, and more people are agnostic than atheist.[/QUOTE] This is a widespread misconception. Atheism and agnosticism isn't an either/or proposition, you can have agnostic atheists, gnostic atheists, agnostic theists and gnostic theists. "Agnostic" means that you know that you can't know for sure. So agnostic theists believe in a god, but concede that they can't ever know for sure. Agnostic atheists believe that there's no reason to believe in a god - even if they concede that they can't KNOW that there is no god, they believe that there isn't one until direct evidence is shown otherwise. Gnostic anything is kind of stupid, IMO.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;30857078]Atheists believe there is no god, agnostics claim there is no way to know. They both fall under no religion, and more people are agnostic than atheist.[/QUOTE] There are atheistic religions
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30857291]There are atheistic religions[/QUOTE] This too. Buddhism is one.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30857291]There are atheistic religions[/QUOTE] okay thanks for helping to further prove my point
[QUOTE=Nerts;30853321]And how, exactly, are gay guys better at denying temptations?[/QUOTE] in the eyes of the almighty LORD denying a homosexual temptation would be more noble than denying a straight one as homosexuality is a sin. obviously. [QUOTE=johan_sm;30853285]You can't convert sexualities though.[/QUOTE] oh yes you can there's these neat camps that you can send the gays to turns em off of trouser love and turns em on to skirt [editline]2nd July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=The Emperor;30853535]I believe priests from the Church of England can marry and have sex and are also male and female.[/QUOTE] oh i didn't know this ALRIGHT THEN [editline]2nd July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30856031]The Church has no say whatsoever in how the country is run. It's basically like how the Queen is head of State but has no power. It's ironic that the CoE has less power over the British government than the various churches in the US have over the US government, even though the Separation of Church and State is guaranteed in US law while it isn't in British.[/QUOTE] it's still a fundamentally backwards idea that the state has an official religion, and the churches don't have control here, it's that America has a (comparatively) very religious population that shifts their ideals the church doesn't control the state, it's the people who attend church that happen to get voted in that affect politics the church's role is overplayed, anytime someone brings up religious references in congress they get scoffed at and ridiculed
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