Young goths 'at risk of depression': Young people who identify as goths may be at increased risk of - Polidicks

[b]Young goths 'at risk of depression'[/b] Source: [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34065763]BBC[/url] (video in source) ____________________ [quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/zGsCdEO.png[/img] Researchers could not fully explain the link, but suggest a tendency for goths to distance themselves from society could play a part. They say though the vast majority of teenage goths will have no problems, an important minority may need extra support. The work appears in the journal Lancet Psychiatry. [b]'Ostracised and isolated'[/b] The goth movement - with its emphasis on black clothes, heavy black make-up and sometimes gloomy music with doom laden lyrics - has been attracting adolescents for many years. In this study, researchers looked at 3,694 15-year-olds based around Bristol. They found the more young people identified with the goth subculture, the higher their likelihood of self-harm and depression. Those who saw themselves as part of the goth group were already more likely to have shown signs of depression before the age of 15 and to have been bullied in the past. But scientists argue the link remains even once these factors are accounted for.[/quote] Once they grow up, they'll understand that negativity [i]truly[/i] is the key to loneliness. At least, those I've met throughout the years grew out of it and became normal-ish people, no traces of "I wanna die QQ" problems, which led me to believe that a vast majority of goths are in it for the looks and the pose in general.

Wow shocker, people that commonly identify with a social group that is classically about negativity and generally depressive, anti-social behavior are more prone to depression and anti-social behavior. I can't believe it, this changes literally everything we know about anything. Oh wait, no it doesn't. Of course people that often identify as depressive outcasts are going to congregate into their own social groups, we're social creatures by nature and people want to feel like they belong.. Also, there's a huge difference between Goth and Emo/Scene. The former is actually the social group that is often obsessed with dark topics and shit, the actual outcasts and depressive, anti-social people. Emo/Scene is the group that took a look at Goths and said, "yeah they look so outcast and fresh, we wanna be like them!" and are only in it usually for the style and "Omg I'm so unique, look at me!" pose factor. I remember a group of goth kids in high school literally put some scene kid in the hospital because they hated him and his friends so they beat the living fuck out of him. I think the reasoning had something to do with them trying to hang out in the same part of the school and they kept playing music like Black Veil Brides and shit. Idk the full details on it, I didn't often get to hang with my goth friends because my girlfriend at the time was scared of them and I was a dumb high school guy who gave a shit about that kind of thing.

[quote] Researchers could not fully explain the link, but suggest a tendency for goths to distance themselves from society could play a part.[/quote] I have a groundbreaking idea, maybe it's the other way around and people who have hard time blending in with the society and suffer from depressions and generally emotional pain go and associate themselves with a culture that makes them feel natural? Goth doesn't cause depression, depression causes Goth (obviously not by far in all causes, just, often enough for it to make it into the statistic)

In my impression this was always vice versa. People who are: different/less social/depressed/whatever feel more attracted to the Goth movement, and therefore are more likely to be a Goth. This might even help them, since they get to belong somewhere.

I'll have to read the paper, but looks like being goth doesn't cause depression but depressed people drift to goth. Not enough metal in today's goth?

I mean, there was [url=http://www.medicaldaily.com/happy-music-listening-extreme-music-heavy-metal-might-make-sad-people-feel-better-339120]research[/url] on that pretty much the music you internally like the most is most likely the one that's the mentally healthiest for you. I think it's far easier to look for people with troubled childhoods among goths than to look for people who were "harmed" by it.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48558849]I mean, there was [URL="http://www.medicaldaily.com/happy-music-listening-extreme-music-heavy-metal-might-make-sad-people-feel-better-339120"]research[/URL] on that pretty much the music you internally like the most is most likely the one that's the mentally healthiest for you[/QUOTE] I [I]knew[/I] that blasting Dying Fetus and Anaal Nathrakh would be good for me! :v: [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;48558813]Also, there's a huge difference between Goth and Emo/Scene. The former is actually the social group that is often obsessed with dark topics and shit, the actual outcasts and depressive, anti-social people. Emo/Scene is the group that took a look at Goths and said, "yeah they look so outcast and fresh, we wanna be like them!" and are only in it usually for the style and "Omg I'm so unique, look at me!" pose factor.[/QUOTE] [hd]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZvFNQjYB6Q[/hd]

I think it's more the other way around no?

And bears shit in the woods. I suppose its nice to have scientific data relating to this, but i dont think it came as a suprise to anyone.

Are goths still a thing though? I've not seen one in a long time even though a few years back it was rather common sight.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48559094]I wouldn't be so sure, it's entirely possible that becoming goth pushes people farther into the emotional deep end similar to how depression in one person can lead to depression in their partner.[/QUOTE] But that's just "the people around me feel x emotion and it's transferring to me" which works for most emotions. Frankly, I see it more like: person feels like a societal reject>go goth>going goth doesn't fix or change anything so they end up depressed. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;48559121]Are goths still a thing though? I've not seen one in a long time even though a few years back it was rather common sight.[/QUOTE] I know a few. They're less solid black now, but they exist.

I know many goths who are such bright, talkative, down-to-earth people. And wearing black all the time doesn't make you a goth, and goths can wear many colours :v:

[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48559248]I know many goths who are such bright, talkative, down-to-earth people. And wearing black all the time doesn't make you a goth, and goths can wear many colours :v:[/QUOTE]So then what does it mean to be goth?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48559270]So then what does it mean to be goth?[/QUOTE] Attitude, music, fashion, any or all of these, and usually with some variations on a per person basis. Just because you see them wearing more colours, doesn't mean they're any more or less goth than the people wearing nothing but black. They don't have to tick every box to fit in some rigidly structured heirarchy of the definition of goth. Maybe it's just regional differences, though, because of all the goths I've known, even though they sometimes or quite often suffer from depression, overall I found them to be friendly (once they knew you weren't going to be hostile towards them), warm and accepting, pretty much nothing like the stereotype of the mopey teenager. I wasn't a goth, but was as equally welcomed by the ones I hung around with as someone who was. Hell, at my college, even the Goths and Chavs got along really well, even though you'd not think these two subcultures would want to interact with each other at all.

is it 2004 again

[QUOTE=draugur;48558813]Wow shocker, people that commonly identify with a social group that is classically about negativity and generally depressive, anti-social behavior are more prone to depression and anti-social behavior. I can't believe it, this changes literally everything we know about anything. Oh wait, no it doesn't. Of course people that often identify as depressive outcasts are going to congregate into their own social groups, we're social creatures by nature and people want to feel like they belong.. Also, there's a huge difference between Goth and Emo/Scene. The former is actually the social group that is often obsessed with dark topics and shit, the actual outcasts and depressive, anti-social people. Emo/Scene is the group that took a look at Goths and said, "yeah they look so outcast and fresh, we wanna be like them!" and are only in it usually for the style and "Omg I'm so unique, look at me!" pose factor. I remember a group of goth kids in high school literally put some scene kid in the hospital because they hated him and his friends so they beat the living fuck out of him. I think the reasoning had something to do with them trying to hang out in the same part of the school and they kept playing music like Black Veil Brides and shit. Idk the full details on it, I didn't often get to hang with my goth friends because my girlfriend at the time was scared of them and I was a dumb high school guy who gave a shit about that kind of thing.[/QUOTE] You sound like those goth kids from south park complaining about posers [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bK963ZjlyE[/media]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48558833]I have a groundbreaking idea, maybe it's the other way around and people who have hard time blending in with the society and suffer from depressions and generally emotional pain go and associate themselves with a culture that makes them feel natural? Goth doesn't cause depression, depression causes Goth (obviously not by far in all causes, just, often enough for it to make it into the statistic)[/QUOTE] On the other hand, there's also a market for Goth-stylized trendy teenager apparel. Where does that fit in? Not all people who distance themselves from society and suffer from depressions are goths, or fucking appear as such. Hell, does being a goth even have anything to do with distancing from society and/or being a depressed bastard at all? Right below the thing you quoted, they noted [quote]They say though the vast majority of teenage goths will have no problems, an important minority may need extra support.[/quote] So to anyone out there, be as goth as you ever wanna be.

Are goths becoming controversial again what next dnd linked to satanism

[QUOTE=taipan;48558837]In my impression this was always vice versa. People who are: different/less social/depressed/whatever feel more attracted to the Goth movement, and therefore are more likely to be a Goth. This might even help them, since they get to belong somewhere.[/QUOTE] And the furry subculture as well from what I've noticed.

Goth culture is still around? I thought it evolved into "emo" or "scene kids"

Although I was never goth it's weird because I grew up with a lot of Hardcore, Emotional, Metal, and subgenres of all of those and I always felt that those sorts of music helped me out od depression. Hell I still listen to that shit and I'm in a good place of my life mentally.

Dying your hair black, coating yourself with piercings, smoking at a young age, and identifying as social pariahs would probably tend to leave you "at risk of depression". You could argue that maybe they got there to begin with by being depressed about life.

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48560347]Goth culture is still around? I thought it devolved into "emo" or "scene kids"[/QUOTE] ftfy

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48559561]You sound like those goth kids from south park complaining about posers [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bK963ZjlyE[/media][/QUOTE] Well I'm not and have never been Goth so, uhh, sorry you take your knowledge of the world from garbage tv shows? That's a pretty big thing all the goth kids I know wanted to make people well aware of, figured I'd pass the word along because, idk I actually know about the topic group at hand. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;48560347]Goth culture is still around? I thought it evolved into "emo" or "scene kids"[/QUOTE] Nah, the original goth culture just fell out of view because they are actually a marginalized sub culture where as anyone with dyed hair and a shit taste in music can be a scene kid. The latter being more noticed because they're usually socially functional people who just want to look edgy.

[QUOTE=draugur;48561873]Nah, the original goth culture just fell out of view because they are actually a marginalized sub culture where as anyone with dyed hair and a shit taste in music can be a scene kid. The latter being more noticed because they're usually [I]socially functional people who just want to look edgy.[/I][/QUOTE] Nice tolerance there brah, first recognizing them as a fellow member of society, then as something more unsocial. Might that be one of the issues here? [editline]29th August 2015[/editline] What the hell does it matter how people look like anyway? As long as you don't have grease stains or holes all over your clothes or so.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48558833]I have a groundbreaking idea, maybe it's the other way around and people who have hard time blending in with the society and suffer from depressions and generally emotional pain go and associate themselves with a culture that makes them feel natural? Goth doesn't cause depression, depression causes Goth (obviously not by far in all causes, just, often enough for it to make it into the statistic)[/QUOTE] Literally what I came here to say.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48559270]So then what does it mean to be goth?[/QUOTE] What it truly means to be a goth is meeting up under a bridge and cybertreffen.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48558833]I have a groundbreaking idea, maybe it's the other way around and people who have hard time blending in with the society and suffer from depressions and generally emotional pain go and associate themselves with a culture that makes them feel natural? Goth doesn't cause depression, depression causes Goth (obviously not by far in all causes, just, often enough for it to make it into the statistic)[/QUOTE] I would say it probably goes both ways. Depressed people are more likely to take up a goth lifestyle, but surrounding yourself with other depressed, cynical, people pushes you further into depression.

[QUOTE=draugur;48561873]Well I'm not and have never been Goth so, uhh, sorry you take your knowledge of the world from garbage tv shows? That's a pretty big thing all the goth kids I know wanted to make people well aware of, figured I'd pass the word along because, idk I actually know about the topic group at hand. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] Nah, the original goth culture just fell out of view because they are actually a marginalized sub culture where as anyone with dyed hair and a shit taste in music can be a scene kid. The latter being more noticed because they're usually socially functional people who just want to look edgy.[/QUOTE] I mean, emo also sprung from a completely different genre of music than goth, and also incorporated facets of other subcultures, like sagging the trousers in hip hop/grime Emo was never trying to be a subculture of brooding depression, it was focused around music that was more emotionally open than a lot of the other rock/metal subcultures. I get that it's easy to see similarities but emo is only as bullshit as goth is if that's where you're taking the argument This is coming from someone who never identified as either

They really needed a study to figure this out? im more suprised goth is still a thing.