Reports of Forced Marriage in UK Rose in 2016, Data Shows - Polidicks

[quote]More than 1400 cases of forced marriage were reported in Britain last year, a small increase in 2015, according to data released on Thursday, but campaigners said the number was the "tip of the iceberg" as the practice remains largely hidden.[/quote][URL="http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/483743?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter"]Source[/URL] I wonder why.

To 1400 from 1200. But the highest rates of reports and recordings since 2012,which means more people are becoming aware of it and reporting it, which is a good trend. It could also indicate that the actual number of forced marriages hadnt changed, but that more are being caught.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51936585][URL="http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/483743?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter"]Source[/URL] I wonder why.[/QUOTE] I presume you're fully in favor of the uk ramping up outreach and enforcement programs to ensure the primarily Muslim victims of such horrible practices are able to find proper recourse, right?

[QUOTE=froztshock;51936621]I presume you're fully in favor of the uk ramping up outreach and enforcement programs to ensure the primarily Muslim victims of such horrible practices are able to find proper recourse, right?[/QUOTE] Yeah. Do that. Then stop letting them in.

[QUOTE=froztshock;51936621]I presume you're fully in favor of the uk ramping up outreach and enforcement programs to ensure the primarily Muslim victims of such horrible practices are able to find proper recourse, right?[/QUOTE] This seems like a redundant question that was only asked so that you can yell at him if he doesn't give the answer you want.

I wonder if the rise actually has to do with traveller marriages. Since they typically marry under 18, at-least in Ireland.

I understand that one aspect of a culture doesn't define the entire culture but some practices are literally barbaric just need to just die out, if that makes me racist than I guess I'm racist.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51936665]I understand that one aspect of a culture doesn't define the entire culture but some practices are literally barbaric just need to just die out, if that makes me racist than I guess I'm racist.[/QUOTE] Has anybody ever called anyone racist for criticizing forced or underage marriages? If you can find someone who does I will personally laugh at them and call them an idiot with you.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51936637]Yeah. Do that. Then stop letting them in.[/QUOTE] So you genuinely dont care about them. You just posted this article to argue against immigrants and refugees. You never cared that over a thousand people were forced into marriage, you just want to hate on others. Am I wrong? [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51936665]I understand that one aspect of a culture doesn't define the entire culture but some practices are literally barbaric just need to just die out, if that makes me racist than I guess I'm racist.[/QUOTE] You will find no one here supporting forced marriages

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;51936638]This seems like a redundant question that was only asked so that you can yell at him if he doesn't give the answer you want.[/QUOTE] I mean, it's just admirable that he has such concern for social issues that so terrible impact young Muslim girls. Certainly he wouldn't want to do anything that would make these issues worse for them, would he? That would kinda' make his concern seem... I dunno, a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51936585][URL="http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/483743?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter"]Source[/URL] I wonder why.[/QUOTE] Is this a contest? I'll have a go. I think its to do with the negligent and shockingly underfunded police force the government has been gutting to the point that they just write off smaller crimes.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51936637]Yeah. Do that. Then stop letting them in.[/QUOTE] So this whole charade of caring about the victims of child abuse, forced marriage, etc is just that. We're all aware that this is a social issue that needs to be addressed: what differs is that we [I]actually want to fix it[/I], while you just use it to fuel your ugly perspective of Muslims. Your "solution" to this issue only guarantees there will be [B]more[/B] victims. If you actually wanted to [I]fix[/i] this issue, you would be arguing for outreach programs, education, counseling, and increased law enforcement efforts to enforce laws regarding child welfare. Otherwise, all you're saying is that we should push this under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;51936638]This seems like a redundant question that was only asked so that you can yell at him if he doesn't give the answer you want.[/QUOTE] It was asking him to confirm his belief on how to best approach this situation, on the justified suspicion that he was in favor of a regressive and dangerous approach to dealing with it. Turns out he was, so...

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51936637]Yeah. Do that. Then stop letting them in.[/QUOTE] so thousands of peoples suffering is just an excuse for you to push your garbage thats pretty backwards and barbaric dude

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51936637]Yeah. Do that. Then stop letting them in.[/QUOTE] I honestly thought this was a joke. What an embarrassing post!

[QUOTE=da space core;51936694]So you genuinely dont care about them. You just posted this article to argue against immigrants and refugees. You never cared that over a thousand people were forced into marriage, you just want to hate on others. Am I wrong? [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] You will find no one here supporting forced marriages[/QUOTE] I want the victims of the forced marriages (who likely are overwhelmingly Muslim) to be helped. Then I think you should stop letting in mass numbers of Muslims because they are prone to do things like this. I don't get what is so hard to understand here.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937060]I want the victims of the forced marriages (who likely are overwhelmingly Muslim) to be helped. Then I think you should stop letting in mass numbers of Muslims because they are prone to do things like this. I don't get what is so hard to understand here.[/QUOTE] Cultural incompatibility is a legitimate concern, but it's fairly inappropriate to use victims as a mechanism for barring people from entering a country.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51936602]This is absolutely barbaric and completely unacceptable for a first world nation[/QUOTE] It's probably cos of Brexit. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51937104]Cultural incompatibility is a legitimate concern, but it's fairly inappropriate to use victims as a mechanism for barring people from entering a country.[/QUOTE] I think he means the perpetrators.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937060]I want the victims of the forced marriages (who likely are overwhelmingly Muslim) to be helped. Then I think you should stop letting in mass numbers of Muslims because they are prone to do things like this. I don't get what is so hard to understand here.[/QUOTE] Yeah see you're basically just saying that you'd rather they get force married in their own countries than in the UK. I mean if you DID care about the issue they're probably more likely to be able to get help in the UK. What are you afraid forced marriage is going to "catch on?"

This is going down the usual lines of ignore the subject matter whilst berating the person that raised it.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937060]I want the victims of the forced marriages (who likely are overwhelmingly Muslim) to be helped.[/QUOTE] there is no direct evidence for this, but since the article did state that most of these cases were in "south asia" (which contains a lot of middle eastern countries), its a fair enough assumption. I wont hound you on this. [QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937060]Then I think you should stop letting in mass numbers of Muslims because [I]they are prone to do things like this[/I]. I don't get what is so hard to understand here.[/QUOTE] Yes, this is hard to understand. explain to me, how being muslim [I]inherently[/I] increases the likelihood of doing these things. All evidence points to outdated cultural norms and poverty for being likely causes for these kinds of things. And yes, I do believe the more extreme parts of that culture needs to change. but by simply being muslim, you arent prone to this. It's like saying "you are more prone to committing crime because you are black." Thats not how this works, I don't think I need to tell you that it is socioeconomic conditions that cause these things to become more prevalent. not the color of their skin, and not the book they chose to follow. [sp] and before you pull out some cherry picked parts of the quran, remember that all religious texts have their messed up parts, but it just so happens that people who were born in good conditions tend to ignore those parts. not all Christians are against gays, despite whatever some parts of the bible says. religion is free to interpretation [/sp] Also, lets talk about something else. you say that we should stop letting in mass numbers (its really not as huge as you glorify, but whatever) of muslims because they (a pathetically tiny percentage) do bad things. there arent many ironclad beliefs that I hold, but one of them happens to be "Innocent until proven Guilty." Those 4 words are why some random person cannot just accuse you of a crime. In the court of law, it is the accuser who needs to provide the evidence. It is not on the accused to prove themselves innocent. So yes, it is very "hard to understand" why you want block all muslims from entering, because in doing so, you are assuming they are all guilty of something. You are no more above the folks in the witch trials of salem hundreds of years ago, and you are no different that those who falsely accuse others of rape today. it is "Hard to understand" because you are upholding "guilty until proven innocent." I will not stand for this perversion of rule. if a certain individual does something wrong, you punish them. If they dont do anything wrong, you dont punish them. Is [I]that[/I] too hard to understand?

[QUOTE=Splarg!;51937203]Yeah see you're basically just saying that you'd rather they get force married in their own countries than in the UK. I mean if you DID care about the issue they're probably more likely to be able to get help in the UK. What are you afraid forced marriage is going to "catch on?"[/QUOTE] Yes I am saying that. I am a nationalist, so while I think it is sad that they will be fore married, I don't think it is my concern. You're arguing for total open borders with that logic. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=da space core;51937265]there is no direct evidence for this, but since the article did state that most of these cases were in "south asia" (which contains a lot of middle eastern countries), its a fair enough assumption. I wont hound you on this. Yes, this is hard to understand. explain to me, how being muslim [I]inherently[/I] increases the likelihood of doing these things. All evidence points to outdated cultural norms and poverty for being likely causes for these kinds of things. And yes, I do believe the more extreme parts of that culture needs to change. but by simply being muslim, you arent prone to this. It's like saying "you are more prone to committing crime because you are black." Thats not how this works, I don't think I need to tell you that it is socioeconomic conditions that cause these things to become more prevalent. not the color of their skin, and not the book they chose to follow. [sp] and before you pull out some cherry picked parts of the quran, remember that all religious texts have their messed up parts, but it just so happens that people who were born in good conditions tend to ignore those parts. not all Christians are against gays, despite whatever some parts of the bible says. religion is free to interpretation [/sp] Also, lets talk about something else. you say that we should stop letting in mass numbers (its really not as huge as you glorify, but whatever) of muslims because they (a pathetically tiny percentage) do bad things. there arent many ironclad beliefs that I hold, but one of them happens to be "Innocent until proven Guilty." Those 4 words are why some random person cannot just accuse you of a crime. In the court of law, it is the accuser who needs to provide the evidence. It is not on the accused to prove themselves innocent. So yes, it is very "hard to understand" why you want block all muslims from entering, because in doing so, you are assuming they are all guilty of something. You are no more above the folks in the witch trials of salem hundreds of years ago, and you are no different that those who falsely accuse others of rape today. it is "Hard to understand" because you are upholding "guilty until proven innocent." I will not stand for this perversion of rule. if a certain individual does something wrong, you punish them. If they dont do anything wrong, you dont punish them. Is [I]that[/I] too hard to understand?[/QUOTE] I'll sum up me argument to your entire post like this: I don't think anybody should have the right to come into my country. I think that if we were to let somebody come here, it should be because they and their family can benefit us in some way. If they or their decedents are likely to be criminal, disrupt society, or otherwise harm the country, we shouldn't let them in.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937306]Yes I am saying that. I am a nationalist, so while I think it is sad that they will be fore married, I don't think it is my concern. [B]You're arguing for total open borders with that logic.[/B] [/QUOTE] Holy shit as a former dem turned Mod GOP, That leap in logic really makes me facepalm, are you trying to make us sound stupid?

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51937364]Holy shit as a former dem turned Mod GOP, That leap in logic really makes me facepalm, are you trying to make us sound stupid?[/QUOTE] pantz master? with ulterior motives? nonsense, that man is pure honesty edit: actually misread your post but nevermind that, i'll stand by this paragon of truth no matter when

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51937364]Holy shit as a former dem turned Mod GOP, That leap in logic really makes me facepalm, are you trying to make us sound stupid?[/QUOTE] How so? If the goal of immigration is to help people in other nations, then we should be willing to let everyone in if they're in a worse country than ours.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937306]Yes I am saying that. I am a nationalist, so while I think it is sad that they will be fore married, I don't think it is my concern. You're arguing for total open borders with that logic. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] If they or their decedents are likely to be criminal, disrupt society, or otherwise harm the country, we shouldn't let them in.[/QUOTE] Alright, that in of itself is ok, Now prove that all muslims are "criminal, will dirupt society, or otherwise harm the country" [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51937260]This is going down the usual lines of ignore the subject matter whilst berating the person that raised it.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. The article already explains the biggest problem is lack of awareness and of reporting. An obvious thing we can do is make it easier for those who are being forced into a marriage to report it, and then we should offer that person protection so they wont fear retaliation

[QUOTE=sgman91;51937386]How so? If the goal of immigration is to help people in other nations, then we should be willing to let everyone in if they're in a worse country than ours.[/QUOTE] you can help people in other nations without opening your borders completely. or do you seriously believe that is only pro-immigration stance in existence?

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51937364]Holy shit as a former dem turned Mod GOP, That leap in logic really makes me facepalm, are you trying to make us sound stupid?[/QUOTE]Splarg Said: [QUOTE=Splarg!;51937203]I mean if you DID care about the issue they're probably more likely to be able to get help in the UK.[/QUOTE]By this logic, anybody in the world who would be better off in a Western country, should have the right to immigrate here.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51937386]How so? If the goal of immigration is to help people in other nations, then we should be willing to let everyone in if they're in a worse country than ours.[/QUOTE] First world countries wouldn't be first world if we followed this.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937448]Splarg Said: By this logic, anybody in the world who would be better off in a Western country, should have the right to immigrate here.[/QUOTE] except that's not what he's saying? like, do we really have to go through this when his quote is right there and we can see plain as day he's not saying it?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51937306] I'll sum up me argument to your entire post like this: I don't think anybody should have the right to come into my country. I think that if we were to let somebody come here, it should be because they and their family can benefit us in some way. If they or their decedents are likely to be criminal, disrupt society, or otherwise harm the country, we shouldn't let them in.[/QUOTE] To be entirely fair, I don't disagree on this point. I don't think the borders of any country should really be completely and 100% open for anyone wherever whenever. It seems like a recipe for a complete mess. However, I [I]do[/I] think that any given country should have a fair and reasonable process by which one can immigrate legally. You and I might disagree on what that means exactly, but I'd say that at the very least ethnicity and religion should [I]not[/I] be automatic precluding factors, because everything I've been taught about how a free country works goes against that notion. There [I]is[/I] however the caveat that, if said religion happens to include aspects which go against the laws of the nation they are immigrating to, they must change or adapt their practice to fit the laws of the land, as they are the ones who have chosen to come to said country which includes the choice to live under those laws. I find the 'are likely to be criminal' notion a bit odd though. I figure that beyond a past history of criminal history (which I could certainly understand damaging one's chances at immigrating), it'd be pretty difficult to figure out whether they or, god forbid, their descendants will be criminal without going to some really unfortunate places, heh.