• Three adopted children suffered horrific abuse
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[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/24/oklahoma.abuse.case/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories[/url] Nearly as bad as "Basement Dad" Fritzl [release] -- Three adopted children who allegedly suffered burns and were forced to eat pet food lived in "inhumane conditions" and might never fully recover, an Oklahoma sheriff said Thursday. "They have been raised worse than dogs," Canadian County Sheriff Randall Edwards told CNN of the three malnourished juveniles, who are 9, 11 and 15. John Kluth, 50, and Sonja Kluth, 57, of Yukon, Oklahoma, are accused by the district attorney's office of three counts of child abuse and three counts of child neglect, authorities said. The complaint alleges the Kluths confined the 15-year-old boy to a plastic dog carrier for two months and deprived him of food. The couple, who surrendered Tuesday, were released on a bond of $9,000 each. A phone number for them was unlisted. "We are certainly not happy with the low bond," Edwards said. The Kluths confessed to some of the allegations during the execution of a search warrant, the sheriff said. According to an affidavit filed in support of the arrest warrant, Sonja Kluth told investigators that she had tried but lost control of the children and had become a "monster," doing things she never should have done. The three children are in custody of the Department of Human Services and are improving, according to the sheriff. All three have stunted growth, Edwards said. He called it the worst abuse case he has seen. According to the department, the 15-year-old was found sleeping in a box behind an Oklahoma City store on November 28. An investigator learned about child abuse at his residence in Yukon, a city about 15 miles west of Oklahoma City. The teen has an 11-year-old brother and 9-year-old sister. Originally, the three were foster children in Wisconsin, officials said. The state placed them in the home of the Kluths, who adopted them and were still receiving $1,500 per child per month from Wisconsin after they moved to Oklahoma, Edwards said. The Wisconsin Department of Children and Families is withholding adoption assistance payments, said Erika Monroe-Kane, communications director for the department. "On January 20, 2011, we received information from the State of Oklahoma that the children had been removed from the Kluths' home. That same day, we requested additional information from Oklahoma and are still awaiting their response," she wrote in an e-mail to CNN Thursday. Authorities said the Kluths are accused of burning the children with hot spoons, choking them and locking them "in the storm shelter behind the residence for long periods of time with only chairs to sit in and plastic buckets for bathroom use. It was also alleged that the Kluths deprived the children of meals for punishment and fed them cat food and dog food," according to a statement from authorities. The older boy said all three had their tongues burned with a hot spoon for lying, authorities said. The affidavit said the teen revealed scars to his body and smashed fingers. The girl and younger boy had multiple injuries on their face and bodies. The girl reported Sonja Kluth hit her with handles of brooms and mops and strangled her until she "could not breathe," according to the affidavit. The older boy said Sonja Kluth would tell him "get back up here, you know I want blood," during the abuse, authorities said. John Kluth told investigators the couple was strict and that "there is a wall of discipline in the home." The kids are illiterate, although Sonja Kluth said she was home-schooling them, Edwards told CNN. "The children disclosed that the Kluths had struck them in the face and about their bodies with their fists, struck their heads on the floor repeatedly and struck them with objects, including but not limited to a mallet, a soup spoon, a can opener and the buckle end of a belt," the statement said. One of the children was told by Sonja Kluth that he should commit suicide, the statement said. The sheriff also said that three biological children of the couple, who are now adults, urged Wisconsin officials to investigate their claims that they were abused while living at home. The Wisconsin Department of Children and Families said it could not comment on specific allegations relating to anything that may have happened in that state. "Under Wisconsin law the Department is prohibited from providing confidential information as it pertains to specific children," according to Monroe-Kane. The Kluths' biological son, Bill, told CNN Oklahoma City affiliate KWTV he was not shocked by the allegations. "These people were basically out just for the money. They weren't out for taking care of these kids," he said.[/release] [img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/CRIME/02/24/oklahoma.abuse.case/story.oklahoma.abuse.kluths.ccso.jpg[/img]
They should be rehabilitated in prison and then released.
I think that their jugular veins (however you spell it) should be ripped out, but before that slice off their fingers and dash salt on the wounds. Not really, they should just stay in prison.
[QUOTE=Jabalab;28272618]I think that their jugular veins (however you spell it) should be ripped out, but before that slice off their fingers and dash salt on the wounds. Not really, they should just stay in prison.[/QUOTE] No they must be released because prison is inhumane.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272629]No they must be released because prison is inhumane.[/QUOTE] Yes, let the sarcasm flow through you!
Fritzl would be proud.
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;28272660]Yes, let the sarcasm flow through you![/QUOTE] It's not sarcasm if it was then where's my Sarc Mark?
My god.. that's just awful. :frown:
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272574]They should be rehabilitated in prison and then released.[/QUOTE] There's a slight difference between them and a lot of people who do go to prison. Some can actually be rehabilitated, whereas there is no scientific evidence that sociopaths and psychopaths can be treated in any way to reform them and in fact there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272574]They should be rehabilitated in prison and then released.[/QUOTE] do you not understand the concept of punishing one's actions? fucking hippies
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272574]They should be rehabilitated in prison and then released.[/QUOTE] yeah they should [URL="javascript:FR_InsertTextHelper(%20'vB_Editor_QR_textarea',%20':geno:'%20);"][IMG]http://cdn.fpcontent.net/fp/emoot/geno.gif[/IMG][/URL]
[QUOTE=TropicalV2;28272750]do you not understand the concept of punishing one's actions? fucking hippies[/QUOTE] I never said they shouldn't be punished that's a strawman logical fallacy.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272786]I never said they shouldn't be punished that's a strawman logical fallacy.[/QUOTE] no you are the strawman
[QUOTE=thisispain;28272799]no you are the strawman[/QUOTE] You're using an irrelevant conclusion fallacy.
14 posts in and we are already in an exciting debate! Lets watch!
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272817]You're using an irrelevant conclusion fallacy.[/QUOTE] you're using words you don't understand
Holy shit. It's like they were experts.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28272843]you're using words you don't understand[/QUOTE] so did I make a strawman fallacy or not? I'm lost.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28272843]you're using words you don't understand[/QUOTE] Resulting to personal insults i see how immature I'm going to ignore you argument. [QUOTE=s0beit;28272741]There's a slight difference between them and a lot of people who do go to prison. Some can actually be rehabilitated, whereas there is no scientific evidence that sociopaths and psychopaths can be treated in any way to reform them and in fact there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.[/QUOTE] Wow nice rebuttal you have to obey the rules of this argument now reply to my post otherwise I don't know what I'll do I might explode.
also stop talking about dumb strawman shit and just carry on and say they should be executed
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;28272865]also stop talking about dumb strawman shit and just carry on and say they should be executed[/QUOTE] You're just jealous that you don;t know how to carry on a proper argument like a gentleman I'm ignoring you now.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272863]Resulting to personal insults i see how immature I'm going to ignore you argument. [/QUOTE] what is even more immature is treating the side you don't agree with as childish and without respect you're not doing anything clever, you're just making a fool out of yourself
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272786]I never said they shouldn't be punished that's a strawman logical fallacy.[/QUOTE] no, you said they should be rehabilitated and released. hypothetically if that were to work, which there's no telling if it would or wouldn't, that would just fix them and put them back out into society. i see no punishment for the years of abuse they made the kids endure. they did some pretty fucked up shit, and it would be foolish to think that they don't deserve an extended vacation to a cold cell block.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272877]You're just jealous that you don;t know how to carry on a proper argument like a gentleman I'm ignoring you now.[/QUOTE] i wasnt talking to you, i just read strawman and threw in a couple words and now the shit has been lost laughably, arguments cant be carried properly like a gentleman in facepunch. good day to you.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28272881]what is even more immature is treating the side you don't agree with as childish and without respect you're not doing anything clever, you're just making a fool out of yourself[/QUOTE] Hold on let look for a second I know there's a fallacy in here somewhere.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28272916]Hold on let look for a second I know there's a fallacy in here somewhere.[/QUOTE] i've said enough i think
They must've suffered quite a [i]series of unfortunate events[/i]. No really though its sad :frown:
I bet they were asking for it...
And Explosions makes a series of terrible posts, must be a day that ends with 'day'
First you have no family, then you get stuck with these people. I can't imagine how these kids will cope with life later on.
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