Nuremberg to spend €70 million on re-building Nazi rally grounds - Polidicks

[url]http://rt.com/news/nuremberg-architecture-nazi-restoration-225/[/url] [IMG]http://rt.com/files/news/20/48/10/00/nuremberg.si.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Nuremberg plans to spend up to 70 million euro restoring the sprawling complex used by Adolf Hitler for his mass rallies, as debate continues in Germany over what to do with Nazi-era architecture. “This is a job of national importance, we cannot take it on alone,” said Ulrich Maly, the Social Democrat mayor of the Bavarian city, who added he would ask for federal funds to complete the project. A survey of the Nazi rally complex, which originally occupied 11 square kilometers (6 square miles), is set to be completed in the coming months, with a final estimate to be produced early next year. The complex, whose grandeur and style were inspired by classical Roman architecture, served as the site for the ritualistic Nazi party rallies between 1933 and 1938. Constructed by ‘Hitler’s favorite architect’ and Nazi minister Albert Speer, it formed the backdrop to the synchronized marching and showmanship captured in Leni Riefenstahl’s propaganda film 'Triumph of the Will'. Large parts of Speer’s intended complex, such as the world’s biggest stadium, were never completed after the outbreak of World War II, however, and much of the architecture was defaced by advancing Allied soldiers at the end of the war. Nonetheless, the iconic Zeppelin grandstand – a 360 meter-wide construction, from which Hitler addressed hundreds of thousands of his followers during the climactic moments of the rallies as spotlights behind him shone into the night sky – survives intact. Underneath the main tribune is the Golden Hall, a mosaic-covered, windowless chamber that the Fuhrer used for his private meetings. [IMG]http://admin.rt.com/files/news/20/48/10/00/golden-hall.jpg[/IMG] The city of Nuremberg has been understandably apprehensive about what to do with the historically important and architecturally impressive grounds, due to their reviled Nazi legacy. In the decades after the war, much of the complex was demolished (some to make room for housing). The Zeppelin field itself was used as a football field for an American school, a racetrack and an audience space for a rock festival. But further demolition is not possible, as the complex has now been granted protected status.[/QUOTE]

Good. It's historical and one of the most iconic places in the world.

Good, good. We should never bulldoze old buildings solely because the person who built/commissioned them was an asshole.

Even if it was used by the bad guys, it's still history. We still have all the Roman stuff which was used by the asshole emporers.

We should try and keep and restore everything from this era.

Keep this restored so that we never forget.

[quote]But spending tens of millions on rebuilding a now-purposeless Nazi-era arena and other buildings amid a prolonged economic crisis is politically controversial.[/quote] All of it must be preserved. That's really how simple it is. It's one of the most significant places in all of human history; to just say fuck it and leave it to rot would be retarded. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZ1hw0cHNY[/media] I hope they recreate the [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1982-1130-502%2C_N%C3%BCrnberg%2C_Reichsparteitag%2C_Lichtdom.jpg]cathedral of light[/url] effect.

Kind of a waste of money tbh, not because Hitler was an asshat but that money could be used for more important things instead of a bunch of old buildings.

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42023894]Kind of a waste of money tbh, not because Hitler was an asshat but that money could be used for more important things instead of a bunch of old buildings.[/QUOTE] History is one of the most important things in the world

Money well spent. I visited Nuremberg a few years ago and the state of disrepair kind of made it seem like the German people wanted to forget.

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;42023937]History is one of the most important things in the world[/QUOTE] I know history is important, but 70 million euros? You can feed hundreds and hundreds of family in a year or two. I just think we should worry more on the present than old buildings, its not like all the evidence of it would disappear if we dont rebuild it.

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42023894]Kind of a waste of money tbh, not because Hitler was an asshat but that money could be used for more important things instead of a bunch of old buildings.[/QUOTE] You'd rather spend money on our shitty bank system that will eventually vanish like every system before than on a invaluable piece of human history. Good thing they're not going to take your opinion into consideration then.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42023037]Good. It's historical and one of the most iconic places in the world.[/QUOTE] And hell, it would be an awesome place to see a Ramstein concert

I fucking hate the "think of all the families you could feed with that money" argument it's not gonna go to feed families, even if they didn't recreate these buildings so dont bring it up

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42024041]I know history is important, but 70 million euros? You can feed hundreds and hundreds of family in a year or two. I just think we should worry more on the present than old buildings, its not like all the evidence of it would disappear if we dont rebuild it.[/QUOTE] 70 millions is ridiculously low on a country's annual budget, let alone Germany. If you want to complain about money badly spent, you should whine at the EU, not a country's effort to preserve history.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42023621]We should try and keep and restore everything from this era.[/QUOTE] Except the Nazi ideals*

a bygone era RIP in peace A-man, you were da bomb

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42024041]I know history is important, but 70 million euros? You can feed hundreds and hundreds of family in a year or two. I just think we should worry more on the present than old buildings, its not like all the evidence of it would disappear if we dont rebuild it.[/QUOTE] 70 million euro is going to pay the workers who design/plan the reconstruction, made the materials, and ultimately built the thing. I think it is important to keep reminders of history around for the public to see. Even more reason to visit Europe eventually.

[QUOTE=viperfan7;42024056]And hell, it would be an awesome place to see a Ramstein concert[/QUOTE] As much I as I doubt they'd do it; [video=youtube;p8yd8dJWEyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yd8dJWEyM[/video] Dear Santa, this year I would like...

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42023894]Kind of a waste of money tbh, not because Hitler was an asshat but that money could be used for more important things instead of a bunch of old buildings.[/QUOTE] So preserving one of the most important reminders of recently history isn't important? It's not different to a church being preserved. Its equally (if not more) important. [editline]31st August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gatsby;42024041]I know history is important, but 70 million euros? You can feed hundreds and hundreds of family in a year or two. I just think we should worry more on the present than old buildings, its not like all the evidence of it would disappear if we dont rebuild it.[/QUOTE] That's a shitty argument, you really shouldn't make it. I am not even going to attempt to counter-argue it other than to point out how stupid it is.

just because of its bad history doesn't mean we shouldn't preserve it. look they tried to forget about the bunkers at normandy and now people do want to see what they were and very few exist today because of decades of willful neglect and a people just not wanting to even talk about it. the Colosseum was made for the slaughter of humans and we are working to preserve it, these grounds should be too even though their purpose was one of evil.

[QUOTE=Sableye;42026578]just because of its bad history doesn't mean we shouldn't preserve it. look they tried to forget about the bunkers at normandy and now people do want to see what they were and very few exist today because of decades of willful neglect and a people just not wanting to even talk about it. the Colosseum was made for the slaughter of humans and we are working to preserve it, these grounds should be too even though their purpose was one of evil.[/QUOTE] Best Way for us to repeat fuck ups is to forget about past ones

[video=youtube;Y2T0qDDo1Dk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2T0qDDo1Dk[/video] [B][I]SIEG HEIL! GLORY TO THE GERMAN MASTER-RACE AND GERMANY FOR THIS WISE DECISION TO RESTORE THE NUREMBERG RALLY GROUNDS![/I][/B]