[video=youtube;vZZksTnGs5M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZksTnGs5M[/video]
This is completely maglev.
[URL="http://www.sciencealert.com/watch-the-first-full-scale-demonstration-of-hyperloop-technology"]Science Alert posted an article[/URL] which explains some more about it.
For a second there I was confused on how they built a test track/unit so fast, then I saw the size of it.
Pretty cool first step either way.
Damn, that is fucking awesome. When can we get one of these across the entire nation from NY to LA?
[QUOTE=matt000024;50304196]Damn, that is fucking awesome. When can we get one of these across the entire nation from NY to LA?[/QUOTE]
dunno bout you but i dont want to be stuck in a country long tube for any reason
[QUOTE=Wii60;50304248]dunno bout you but i dont want to be stuck in a country long tube for any reason[/QUOTE]
so uh you don't ride the subway then either i imagine??
Quick question: How is this different from a maglev train like that really fast one in Japan?
[QUOTE=Wii60;50304248]dunno bout you but i dont want to be stuck in a country long tube for any reason[/QUOTE]
So I take it you never take an airplane? Because you're kinda stuck in a tube.
I mean it isn't like They aren't going to have some failsafe to get you out of the transport system if it broke down, they are going to have backups and plans for a lot of issues that could occur.
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[QUOTE=nerdster409;50304310]Quick question: How is this different from a maglev train like that really fast one in Japan?[/QUOTE]
Hyperloop projected speed is predicted to be about 700mph IIRC
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop[/URL] (alt source in OP article)
Fastest train in japan is 200mph
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen[/URL]
Average 747 goes about 590mph but can go a bit faster depending on weight/winds/etc
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747[/URL]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50304333]
Hyperloop projected speed is predicted to be about 700mph IIRC
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop[/URL]
Fastest train in japan is 200mph
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen[/URL]
Average 747 goes about 590mph but can go a bit faster depending on weight/winds/etc
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747[/URL][/QUOTE]
woah that is very very cool.
wasn't there another hyperloop type prototype also being worked on? it was using slightly different technology
[QUOTE=Badballer;50304392]woah that is very very cool.
wasn't there another hyperloop type prototype also being worked on? it was using slightly different technology[/QUOTE]
Not sure I was only aware of this one but I think they are already laying the ground work for it, or at the very least mapping it out. Either way a hyperloop would most likely be faster than a plane as it does not have to spend time climbing and descending since I imagine taking off is much quicker and the space/distance needed to stop would be much shorter. Problem is, you're on a fixed route so I am interested to see what the schedule and stops are like or projected to be.
Aww I was expecting a sick rollercoaster
right but this test doesn't have the vacuum tube at all... so its just a maglev. unless its using air for the levitation (like air hockey), but it would still propel itself the same way as maglev.
I fail to see why this test was special.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;50304270]so uh you don't ride the subway then either i imagine??[/QUOTE]
i don't.
subways don't exist in florida. Subways also arn't stuck in air-tight tubes.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50304333]So I take it you never take an airplane? Because you're kinda stuck in a tube.
I mean it isn't like They aren't going to have some failsafe to get you out of the transport system if it broke down, they are going to have backups and plans for a lot of issues that could occur.
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Airplanes arn't under the ground in a air-tight tube.
I don't mind if it's like San fran to Los angeles, that makes sense.
But country-long would be silly simply due to low long it would be. earthquakes and all that. then your stuck in a air-tight tube under the ground if it breaks waiting for what could be hours till someone comes pull you out.
if you don't have claustrophobia, that would give it to you.
Digging a country long tunnel and then sucking the air out of it sounds like a good engineering challenge.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50304333]
Hyperloop projected speed is predicted to be about 700mph IIRC
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop[/URL] (alt source in OP article)
Fastest train in japan is 200mph
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen[/URL]
Average 747 goes about 590mph but can go a bit faster depending on weight/winds/etc
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747[/URL][/QUOTE]
Except the Shinkansen isn't maglev. I was referring to the SCMaglev, which has a top speed of 370 mph:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMaglev[/URL]
Make it smaller, put it in a vacuum tube, and call it a day.
So as thrawn says:
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;50304443]I fail to see why this test was special.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wii60;50304450]i don't.
subways don't exist in florida. Subways also arn't stuck in air-tight tubes.
I don't mind if it's like San fran to Los angeles, that makes sense.
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But country-long would be silly simply due to low long it would be. earthquakes and all that. then your stuck in a air-tight tube under the ground if it breaks.
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if you don't have claustrophobia, that would give it to you.[/QUOTE]
And you think the engineers hired by one of the richest and scientifically progressive business magnates in the world wouldn't think of this for one of the most expensive transportation projects?
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;50304443]right but this test doesn't have the vacuum tube at all... so its just a maglev. unless its using air for the levitation (like air hockey), but it would still propel itself the same way as maglev.
I fail to see why this test was special.[/QUOTE]
I think the purpose of this test was more for investor showcasing, to just show something has been done and they are serious. Sorta like how heads of companies will put a shove in the ground and dig up some dirt. Yeah, that hole in the ground doesn't mean much in terms of actual progress, but it shows they are starting their path on their project
So this was just the maglev-bit proof of concept? No vacuum tunnel involved at all?
[QUOTE=Wii60;50304450]
Airplanes arn't under the ground in a air-tight tube.
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you do realize what the cruising altitude of a commercial flight from new york to LA is, right? if something goes wrong you're fucked.
honestly the idea of a country long tube isn't filly because of earth quakes but because we can't maintain the existing, lower tech infrastructure we have now
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;50304710]you do realize what the cruising altitude of a commercial flight from new york to LA is, right? if something goes wrong you're fucked.
honestly the idea of a country long tube isn't filly because of earth quakes but because we can't maintain the existing, lower tech infrastructure we have now[/QUOTE]
Nobody sane would let the most advanced or expensive infrastructure go into disrepair.
would be cool to take a hyper loop train to NY in only an hour or so.
The hyperloop isn't intended for cross continental travel, just inter-city travel such as San Francisco to Los Angeles. Also it's supposed to above ground, on stilts as they provide protection from earthquakes and from the minor expansion / contractions in the tube due to heat.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;50305886]Nobody sane would let the most advanced or expensive infrastructure go into disrepair.[/QUOTE]
Then you don't know us.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;50306449]Then you don't know us.[/QUOTE]
Seriously we're experts at that.
hyperloop is a nice idea but the economics of it doesn't really work out (and the engineering isn't the best either)
even maglev itself (which has been in development for decades) has only just started commercial use and its proven to be a bit mediocre because while fast, the demand for it isn't high enough and the ticket prices don't cover the costs that well.
hyperloop represents an even bigger engineering, legal, environmental, and financial challenge, and its competing with loads of other transportation systems that are very much superior as it stands right now (like high speed rail). high speed rail is the big thing we're going to see go cross country and connecting cities in the future
This test is important because it's a proof of concept that they can do non liquid nitrogen cooled mag lev.
It's also a proof of concept of their particular model of linear accelerators which will be spread out every 50 feet on the future track.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;50304443]right but this test doesn't have the vacuum tube at all... so its just a maglev. unless its using air for the levitation (like air hockey), but it would still propel itself the same way as maglev.
I fail to see why this test was special.[/QUOTE]
I read a quote from the CEO or whatever, and he basically said "This is just to prove we're actually building it".
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50306910]hyperloop is a nice idea but the economics of it doesn't really work out (and the engineering isn't the best either)
even maglev itself (which has been in development for decades) has only just started commercial use and its proven to be a bit mediocre because while fast, the demand for it isn't high enough and the ticket prices don't cover the costs that well.
hyperloop represents an even bigger engineering, legal, environmental, and financial challenge, and its competing with loads of other transportation systems that are very much superior as it stands right now (like high speed rail). high speed rail is the big thing we're going to see go cross country and connecting cities in the future[/QUOTE]
Considering we live in an age where cash is king, and there are people actively paying to develop this, then there is clearly something worth while here.
And isn't Elon musk behind this? This guy doesn't care if in its current state it is unprofitable - see spacex, where the end goal is profitability by means of bringing the industry forward.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50306910]hyperloop is a nice idea but the economics of it doesn't really work out (and the engineering isn't the best either)
even maglev itself (which has been in development for decades) has only just started commercial use and its proven to be a bit mediocre because while fast, the demand for it isn't high enough and the ticket prices don't cover the costs that well.
hyperloop represents an even bigger engineering, legal, environmental, and financial challenge, and its competing with loads of other transportation systems that are very much superior as it stands right now (like high speed rail). high speed rail is the big thing we're going to see go cross country and connecting cities in the future[/QUOTE]
None of that really matters. As long as this is marginally better than the shit infrastructure we have now, this is going to get funded. It's all about marketing in SV, and Elon Musk marketed the hell out of it.
The issue with any transportation system in the US is pretty clean cut at this point.
Space. The US is both huge, and cramped. Weird way to think about it, but areas like New York, LA, San Francisco, New Jersey, Chicago, and many more, are very densely built cities with little room for impromptu expansion. A light rail or high speed rail line is just as much a problem to squeeze into these cities as anything else. A mag lev train in the US is just largely infeasible due to how mag lev trains need constant cooling along the track length with liquid nitrogen, something that makes the whole deal really, really hard to pull off.
So the solution either is high speed rail which is good, but still carries all the problems of trains, as well as the aforementioned space issue. Hyperloops are fairly specific transportation tools that will really only serve specific goals, small scale rapid city to city transit. High speed rail will be a slower city to city, state to state affair that can be more readily rolled out for mass expansion across the US, where as hyperloops can't be.
I honestly see both as existing in 20 years.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50308019]The issue with any transportation system in the US is pretty clean cut at this point.
Space. The US is both huge, and cramped. Weird way to think about it, but areas like New York, LA, San Francisco, New Jersey, Chicago, and many more, are very densely built cities with little room for impromptu expansion. A light rail or high speed rail line is just as much a problem to squeeze into these cities as anything else. A mag lev train in the US is just largely infeasible due to how mag lev trains need constant cooling along the track length with liquid nitrogen, something that makes the whole deal really, really hard to pull off.
So the solution either is high speed rail which is good, but still carries all the problems of trains, as well as the aforementioned space issue. Hyperloops are fairly specific transportation tools that will really only serve specific goals, small scale rapid city to city transit. High speed rail will be a slower city to city, state to state affair that can be more readily rolled out for mass expansion across the US, where as hyperloops can't be.
I honestly see both as existing in 20 years.[/QUOTE]
high speed railway infrastructure can utilize existing railways to a large extent though. hyperloop needs to be built from scratch. there's mentioning that both take up roughly the same amount of physical space, but hyperloop carries fewer people than railways can. ultimately railways still carry more people an hour than hyperloop can (by at least an order of magnitude), meaning that when it comes to mass transit it's in real difficulty
[QUOTE=Karmah;50307195]Considering we live in an age where cash is king, and there are people actively paying to develop this, then there is clearly something worth while here.
And isn't Elon musk behind this? This guy doesn't care if in its current state it is unprofitable - see spacex, where the end goal is profitability by means of bringing the industry forward.[/QUOTE]
people pour money into all sorts of things. it might be worth something, but it's extremely doubtful it will dethrone the railway. i mean i cannot see this even coming about in china or europe because both places already have major high speed railway networks underway. america is the only place where it might have a few experimental lines in operation for a few decades but even then thats doubtful
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[QUOTE=cheesylard;50307916]None of that really matters. As long as this is marginally better than the shit infrastructure we have now, this is going to get funded. It's all about marketing in SV, and Elon Musk marketed the hell out of it.[/QUOTE]
america needs an upgraded and expanded high speed railway network more than anything else. the east coast could do great if it had trains going 300km/h as standard there. japan has done really well out of their HSR network and the technology already exists to take advantage of
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