• A few questions about vinyls
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Well, yesterday I saw Split The Atom by Noisia on Vinyl, and I bought it because I love Noisia, but I have a few questions. I absolutely loved playing it on vinyl, and I would love to get into listening to vinyl more often and perhaps mixing etc (although I expect this to come later since it's an expensive hobby). My friend's dad is a DJ, and is pretty well established in this area, so he could help my get the right things to buy, but here are my questions: 1. The vinyl only had four tracks on it, as opposed to the 15+ tracks on the CD, is this because the Vinyl was only the EP, or is it due to the lack of storage space on the vinyl? 2. The vinyl had to be played at a speed of 45 to play correctly, although some of my older vinyls (I mean really old), had to be played at 33. Does this not mean that more tracks could have been fitted onto each side of the vinyl (because of playing at a slower speed)? I thought that maybe only one track was on each side to make it easier for DJs, but I'm naive here. 3. How many plays does it take (roughly) before the vinyl really starts to get widened and lose quality if I handle it carefully and correctly? Thanks a lot.
1. I have a record with like 12 songs (it's a Queen vinyl if I remember correctly) so I dont [U]think[/U] it's a lack of space. 3. I think possbly a couple of hundred or more, going from what my dad's said. and probably needle condition affects it. But I'm no expert.
[b]1. The vinyl only had four tracks on it, as opposed to the 15+ tracks on the CD, is this because the Vinyl was only the EP, or is it due to the lack of storage space on the vinyl?[/b] It is lack of space IIRC. For instance I own Lambs Anger by Mr.Oizo and it's split into 4 12" Vinyl's with 4 songs each on them. [editline]12:39PM[/editline] [b]I thought that maybe only one track was on each side to make it easier for DJs, but I'm naive here.[/b] To be fair if you watch DJ's do a set they switch vinyl regularly anyway.
Thanks for the posts. Looks like this is going to be expensive. Ach well, I have a job. I'll probably see if I can talk to my friend's dad about it, see where I can get the best deals on mixers and turntables.
One hour of music can fit on one lp, but people say the sound is better on a 45, djs usually say a better bass response is on a 12" vinyl due to wideness of the grooves if you are looking to buy vinyl for better sound, try some original master pressings. Newer remasters dont differ significantly to that of a cd sound most of the time.
[QUOTE=Akayz;22752372]if you are looking to buy vinyl for better sound, try some original master pressings. Newer remasters dont differ significantly to that of a cd sound most of the time.[/QUOTE] That's probably down to the fact that new vinyl presses will be digitally mastered.
[QUOTE=Sharkey;22752813]That's probably down to the fact that new vinyl presses will be digitally mastered.[/QUOTE] Its not all bad though, sometimes it can be specifically mastered for vinyl, and they dont remove a lot of the frequencies like a cd remaster.
Sounds like you bought the EP since it had to be played at 45.
[QUOTE=nos217;22747009]Well, yesterday I saw Split The Atom by Noisia on Vinyl, and I bought it because I love Noisia, but I have a few questions. I absolutely loved playing it on vinyl, and I would love to get into listening to vinyl more often and perhaps mixing etc (although I expect this to come later since it's an expensive hobby). My friend's dad is a DJ, and is pretty well established in this area, so he could help my get the right things to buy, but here are my questions: 1. The vinyl only had four tracks on it, as opposed to the 15+ tracks on the CD, is this because the Vinyl was only the EP, or is it due to the lack of storage space on the vinyl? 2. The vinyl had to be played at a speed of 45 to play correctly, although some of my older vinyls (I mean really old), had to be played at 33. Does this not mean that more tracks could have been fitted onto each side of the vinyl (because of playing at a slower speed)? I thought that maybe only one track was on each side to make it easier for DJs, but I'm naive here. 3. How many plays does it take (roughly) before the vinyl really starts to get widened and lose quality if I handle it carefully and correctly? Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE] 1. Each side of a 33 rpm 12" vinyl has ~20 minutes of space I believe. After doing some math I estimate 45 rpm 12" vinyls have about maybe 14 minutes per side? I just multiplied 20 by 33/45, and the number seems about right. 2. 45 rpm supposedly has a higher quality of sound, so that could be the reasoning behind the pressing. 3. I believe it's different for each record. 180 gram vinyl (generally the heaviest pressing a record can get) is tougher and would, I assume, last longer. More lightweight vinyl might take more of a beating during plays, but I don't really know for certain.
I'm a FLAC kind of guy. If I want pops and clicks, I'll add them in FLS. But vinyl is cool, the fact that it's 100% non digital music, it's like holding songs in your hand(god damn this generation)
Can you actually tell the difference between flac/lossless and lossy compression? I rip all my favourite or Greatest hits albums into flac just with the idea that I have storage to spare, and at the back of my mind know I'm getting the best sound quality. But I've started to go back to aac/mp3's because i'm running out of space faster than I'd like.
Lets not get into a FLAC/Vinyl versus MP3 etc. debate, because all the "audiophiles" will sermonise endlessly on how that extra audio makes them superior to you. And all the trolls will egg them on forever. [editline]08:21PM[/editline] It seems to happen with all Vinyl threads
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;22747361]It is lack of space IIRC. For instance I own Lambs Anger by Mr.Oizo and it's split into 4 12" Vinyl's with 4 songs each on them. [/QUOTE] Off topic, but I fucking love that album.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;22771541]Lets not get into a FLAC/Vinyl versus MP3 etc. debate, because all the "audiophiles" will sermonise endlessly on how that extra audio makes them superior to you. And all the trolls will egg them on forever. [editline]08:21PM[/editline] It seems to happen with all Vinyl threads[/QUOTE] vinyl rules all formats :boonie: :toughguy:
[QUOTE=attackyourself!;22772532]Off topic, but I fucking love that album.[/QUOTE] 'Tis a great album.
Thanks for the information. It was an EP I bought by the way.
[QUOTE=nos217;22779480]Thanks for the information. It was an EP I bought by the way.[/QUOTE] Ah well that explains that then.
[QUOTE=rathat48;22771139](god damn this generation)[/QUOTE] :saddowns:
[QUOTE=rathat48;22771139]I'm a FLAC kind of guy. If I want pops and clicks, I'll add them in FLS. But vinyl is cool, the fact that it's 100% non digital music, it's like holding songs in your hand(god damn this generation)[/QUOTE] Goddamn those kids with their superior technology. Why can't things just remain the same! We should still be living in caves and shitting in a bucket GODDAMNIT!
I like vinyl because of the natural harmonies it produces.
[QUOTE=JoeyZ;22780582]I like vinyl because of the natural harmonies it produces.[/QUOTE] You mean the music?
[QUOTE=Akayz;22780919]You mean the music?[/QUOTE] :doh: Music isn't automatically better because it's on vinyl! We've already had this argument.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;22781523]:doh: Music isn't automatically better because it's on vinyl! We've already had this argument.[/QUOTE] I didnt say nothin' :smug: look at what i was replying to
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