Israeli transportation ministry planning bus segregation - Polidicks

[URL="http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=542602"]Source[/URL] [quote]BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem on Tuesday condemned the Israeli transport ministry's plans for segregated bus lines for Palestinians and Israelis. Israeli police have begun removing Palestinian passengers from buses at the request of Jewish settlers, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported Tuesday. An army reservist told Haaretz that Israeli police stationed near Salfit had ordered Palestinians off buses multiple times, leaving them to walk several miles and then catch taxis home. "The attempt at bus segregation is appalling, and the current arguments about 'security needs' and 'overcrowding' must not be allowed to camouflage the blatant racism of the demand to remove Palestinians from buses," B'Tselem executive director Jessica Montell said in a statement. Settlement mayor Ron Nachman is working with the Israeli army, police and transport ministry to stop Palestinians boarding buses that go to Ariel, he wrote on his Facebook page. "All of them are working on this problem, and we hope that they will soon find a solution to the reality that is bothering our people," he wrote. Responding to the post, one commenter wrote "finally you remembered that we have buses filled with Arabs?" while others commented that Palestinians were "terrorists" and "monkeys."[/quote] [URL="http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20121127_separation_in_buses"] Israeli Human Rights[/URL] [quote] Following disclosure that the Ministry of Transport is considering separate bus lines for Palestinians in the West Bank, Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has stated that the ministry, like all other governmental bodies, may not provide services on a discriminatory basis. There is not, nor can there possibly be, legal justification for separating Palestinians from Israelis. Services provided by the state must be available on an equal basis to all and any who require them. In response to the planned segregation, B’Tselem executive director Jessica Montell said, “The attempt at bus segregation is appalling, and the current arguments about ‘security needs’ and ‘overcrowding’ must not be allowed to camouflage the blatant racism of the demand to remove Palestinians from buses.” The West Bank is occupied territory which is home to over two and a half million Palestinians. In view of the great lengths that Israel has gone to in building sophisticated systems to separate settlers from Palestinians – thereby enabling settlers to ignore the presence of the Palestinians who live there – public transportation on West Bank roads offers settlers an exceedingly rare glimpse of the presence of the Palestinians.[/quote] [URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mt7ccZk0VRYJ:www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/police-order-palestinian-workers-off-buses-to-west-bank-at-request-of-israeli-settlers.premium-1.480741+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a"]Haaretz[/URL] [quote] [B] Police have begun ordering Palestinian laborers with[I] legal work permits[/I] off buses from the Tel Aviv area to the West Bank, following complaints from settlers that Palestinians pose a security risk by riding the same buses as them. [/B] The Transportation Ministry says it is considering adding bus lines between West Bank roadblocks and central Israel; these would be geared toward Palestinian laborers. Still, such a plan would take at least a few months to go into effect. Earlier this month a bus operated by Afikim, a company with a government tender to serve West Bank settlements, pulled up at a police roadblock near the settlement of Elkana.[B] The police, who later cited security reasons, ordered all the Palestinian passengers off - leaving them to walk several kilometers to the nearest checkpoint and pay for a taxi home, said an Israeli army reservist who was posted at the checkpoint. [/B] He told Haaretz that the laborers, most of whom work in the Tel Aviv area and usually take the bus home, were angered by the incident. That wasn't the only time the workers were pulled off the bus, though. "Friends at the checkpoint told me that the same thing happened the next day," said the reservist. "[B]The police confiscated their ID cards, brought the IDs to the checkpoint, and the Palestinians had to get off the bus again and walk several kilometers to the checkpoint." [/B] When asked about the incidents, the police said they wanted to make sure Palestinian workers were returning to the West Bank from the same place they left it. They said it was necessary to "close the circle" to ensure the Palestinians weren't staying in Israel overnight, which requires a separate permit. "The fact that a laborer has a legal work permit doesn't allow him to travel directly to the territories [B]without going through an established crossing point[/B]," the police said in a statement. "That's why there is enforcement activity, for security purposes." The number of Palestinians working in Israel has increased in the past two years to 29,000 a day, up from 22,000 in 2010. Palestinian workers generally do not enter the settlements to get on and off the bus, since that would require special authorization. Usually they get on and off along the Trans-Samaria Highway (Route 5). All the same, Ron Nachman, the mayor of the West Bank settlement of Ariel, has announced on his Facebook page that he has spoken with the army, police and Transportation Ministry about "stopping Palestinians from boarding the buses that go to Ariel." "All of them are working on this problem, and we hope that they will soon find a solution to the reality that is bothering our people," he wrote. Commenters left offensive responses to the post, with one referring to the Palestinian passengers as terrorists and another as monkeys. [B] "On the Ariel lines there are more terrorists than Jewish residents," said one. A woman wrote that she couldn't visit her parents in Ariel because she was too scared to get on the bus, and another commenter said "finally you remembered that we have buses filled with Arabs?"[/B] [/quote]

Rosahu Parkbar

This is Apartheid South Africa all over again.

You just went full racist Israel

despite the all the bus bombings there must be another option than this.

What option is perfect for Israhell? Apart from making the Palestinians looking and treating them lower than humans.

I think Israel is turning into Nazi Germany.

[QUOTE=Falubii;38678353]I think Israel is turning into Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE] Or 50s America.

[QUOTE=Falubii;38678353]Israel is Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you there, noticed there was a slight grammatical error.

[QUOTE=EpikMonster;38678276]What option is perfect for Israhell? Apart from making the Palestinians looking and treating them lower than humans.[/QUOTE] You are so hilariously anti-Israel you need paper towels to clean the pathos off your screen. :v:

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38678248]despite the all the bus bombings there must be another option than this.[/QUOTE] Nice subtle justification, "EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SO MANY BUS BOMBINGS there must be another option" The last suicide bus-bombing was nearly half a decade ago. Bringing it up in this thread is thinly-veiled attempt to make the segregation seem "less bad" considering it has nothing to do with countering bus-bombings. Its just another racist and apartheid measure.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38678391]Nice subtle justification, "EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SO MANY BUS BOMBINGS there must be another option" The last suicide bus-bombing was nearly half a decade ago. Bringing it up in this thread is thinly-veiled attempt to make the segregation seem "less bad"[/QUOTE] You avatar is fitting.

[QUOTE=James xX;38678413]You avatar is fitting.[/QUOTE] He was posting hate yep :downs:

[QUOTE=Marbalo;38678450]He didn't say suicide bus bombing. However the last bus bombing that occurred was in Tel Aviv, exactly 11 days ago.[/QUOTE] The bomb was planted under the bus. Bus-segregation is not going to fix that.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38677662]This is Apartheid South Africa all over again.[/QUOTE] Also another person instigated such thing, but I can't mention his name without invoking Godwin's law. Israel is throwing fuel on the ironic fire.

They aren't even pretending anymore.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38678477]The bomb was planted under the bus. Bus-segregation is not going to fix that.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and this would probably make the buses an even better target.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38678790]Yeah, and this would probably make the buses an even better target.[/QUOTE] Very true. GJ, Israeli Transport Ministry.

Also since the buses are Israelites only, what's stopping Hamas from planting roadside bombs alá Afghanistan? If anything they're giving Palestinians a bigger reason to hate them [B]AND[/B] a opportunity to bomb a bus without killing fellow Palestinians.

I agree, this makes it easier for Hamas to blow a bunch of Israelis up without any harm to a bunch of Palestinians.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;38678391]Nice subtle justification, "EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SO MANY BUS BOMBINGS there must be another option" The last suicide bus-bombing was nearly half a decade ago. Bringing it up in this thread is thinly-veiled attempt to make the segregation seem "less bad" considering it has nothing to do with countering bus-bombings. Its just another racist and apartheid measure.[/QUOTE] How ignorant. Tel Aviv suffered a bus bomb attack in the recent clash. You must put this in the context of recent events. [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/21/tel-aviv-bus-bomb-gaza-spread"]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/21/tel-aviv-bus-bomb-gaza-spread[/URL] The Tel Aviv bombing is why the Tel Aviv area is considering these measures. Regardless, I agree with you that there should be another approach taken besides kicking Palestinians off buses or separating the bus lines. I didn't even say that these measure were justified, they're not.

You missed a few posts, mate.

I hope the UN starts yelling at Israel a little more forcefully soon.

I expected as much. History is nothing more than a cycle of patterns upon patterns as in the future and present. Pagan Romans persecuted the Christians when they were in power, Christian Romans persecuted the Pagans after for example. It's a pattern, just gotta be observant.

I don't know how my country can support a regime such as this. [img]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/885767/thumbs/r-NETANYAHU-HARPER-large570.jpg?12[/img] for the first time ever, i can truthfully say I feel ashamed to be Canadian.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38677662]This is Segregationist United States all over again.[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you.

[QUOTE=PassTheBong;38680076]I don't know how my country can support a regime such as this.[/QUOTE] It's the same reason why the US supports Israel. You have a large resident population of Israelis and Jews that sympathize with Israel for a variety of reasons and use their wealth to continually manipulate the government via lobbying and funding. If you look at the history of the Jews/Hebrews, it makes sense as to why Israel does what it does; Though I'm not saying it's right what they do. If you had to deal with 5,000 years of persecution and genocide for what you believe in, you'd be hard pressed to do the right thing as well.

[QUOTE=PassTheBong;38680076]I don't know how my country can support a regime such as this. [img]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/885767/thumbs/r-NETANYAHU-HARPER-large570.jpg?12[/img] for the first time ever, i can truthfully say I feel ashamed to be Canadian.[/QUOTE] Governments come and go, man. We have a good deal on the whole; even though our mid-east policies suck, it would take a lot more than this to make me ashamed of Canada. Just vote for someone different.

Every young country has gone through shitty decades and leaderships.

Israel has been pretty consistent in flouting international laws, basic human decency though