• F-16 Crashes into Cessna 150 Plane in South Carolina
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[QUOTE]The pilot of an F-16 fighter jet has been rescued following a mid-air collision with a Cessna C-150 11 miles north of Charleston, according to Berkeley County Rescue Squad officials.County officials say the crash happened near Old Highway 52 at Lewisfield Plantation in Moncks Corner at approximately 11:30 a.m. Berkeley County Rescue Squad Chief Bill Salisbury said witnesses reported the F-16 hit the Cessna "broadside." Salisbury said the F-16 pilot ejected safely and is okay. Meanwhile, there is no official word on how many people were on the second plane. The Berkeley County Rescue Squad says the fuselage of the Cessna has been located and debris is scattered across a rice field. They say rescue swimmers and the Coast Guard are searching for additional survivors.[/QUOTE] F-16 from the 20th fighter division in my home town (sumter, sc - Shaw AFB) crashed into a Cessna near the coast. Local Source: [URL]http://www.wistv.com/story/29491579/fire-dept-f-16-cessna-planes-crash-near-sc-highway[/URL] Wonder why it hit a Cessna? Don't the planes have some sort of internal radar indicating a slow moving object? [IMG]http://wcsc.images.worldnow.com/images/8251698_G.jpg[/IMG]
Oh shit, that Cessna is probably toast
[QUOTE=jangalomph;48142838]F-16 from the 20th fighter division in my home town (sumter, sc - Shaw AFB) crashed into a Cessna near the coast. Local Source: [URL]http://www.wistv.com/story/29491579/fire-dept-f-16-cessna-planes-crash-near-sc-highway[/URL] Wonder why it hit a Cessna? Don't the planes have some sort of internal radar indicating a slow moving object?[/QUOTE] I don't think an F-16 has TCAS, and I'm pretty sure a C150 wouldn't. There's no requirement for them in smaller aircraft like them. Hell a TCAS II system cost 4 times more than a Cessna 150
Welp, the first time I hear about this is here...on facepunch I work along side the 20th and I still haven't heard jack shit. What the actual fuck.
everyone on that Cessna is dead, they don't get fancy ejection seats like the F-16 pilot
so does this mean cessna 150 > F-16 > F-35 now
how do you fuck up air traffic so bad? i'm guessing military ATC is a lot different than civilian ATC but how do you not realize there are general aviation craft in the air at a certain flight level?
And yet we're not going to hear any word of any manslaughter charges.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;48142920]Welp, the first time I hear about this is here...on facepunch I work along side the 20th and I still haven't heard jack shit. What the actual fuck.[/QUOTE] I saw it on Foxnews.com right after it happened, and on the Google News page. It was published widely dude.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48143128]I saw it on Foxnews.com right after it happened, and on the Google News page. It was published widely dude.[/QUOTE] Hey sorry man. We don't have public news on the machines we work on. The only news we get are from the guys who come back from lunch, and they very rarely go. Otherwise we're all cooped up in a room all day completely oblivious to what's going on outside.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48143104]And yet we're not going to hear any word of any manslaughter charges.[/QUOTE] Sounds more like an ATC fuck up if you ask me
[QUOTE=FFStudios;48143088]how do you fuck up air traffic so bad? i'm guessing military ATC is a lot different than civilian ATC but how do you not realize there are general aviation craft in the air at a certain flight level?[/QUOTE] Certainly in the UK military ATC is a lot sharper than their civilian counterparts
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48142916]I don't think an F-16 has TCAS, and I'm pretty sure a C150 wouldn't. There's no requirement for them in smaller aircraft like them. Hell a TCAS II system cost 4 times more than a Cessna 150[/QUOTE] i believe the F16 has TCAS, but if the cessna doesn't have a transponder then it's not gonna help. You'd be surprised how easy it is to hit these little civvie planes. Tiny as all hell and they think they own the sky. I've heard of multiple close calls and been in one my self.
Does anyone have the link to the thread where some poster found an F-16 seat in his backyard after it crashed?
[QUOTE=l33tkill;48143163]Hey sorry man. We don't have public news on the machines we work on. The only news we get are from the guys who come back from lunch, and they very rarely go. Otherwise we're all cooped up in a room all day completely oblivious to what's going on outside.[/QUOTE] Are you not allowed to use smartphones in camp?
[QUOTE=Porkychop~;48142993]everyone on that Cessna is dead, they don't get fancy ejection seats like the F-16 pilot[/QUOTE] Even if they had ejection seats it probably wouldn't matter. I doubt they even knew they were about to get t-boned. After the accident it's too late.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;48144745]Are you not allowed to use smartphones in camp?[/QUOTE] Not in secured areas.
That pilot will most likely feel like shit soon, poor guy. R.I.P to the Cessna occupants.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;48142920]Welp, the first time I hear about this is here...on facepunch I work along side the 20th and I still haven't heard jack shit. What the actual fuck.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33429919"]bbc article.[/URL] That cessna had 2 passengers. f16 pilot ejected safely.
[QUOTE=l33tkill;48145077]Not in secured areas.[/QUOTE] Then I can understand. Because our military camps have red and green zones, they allow smartphones everywhere, even red (restricted) zones, so long as there are no camera devices on it.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_sky_theory[/URL] They weren't looking out for each other because a collision outside of narrow traffic patterns is so unlikely. The F-16 has radar built in, but the Cessna won't, so maybe they were too low for radar to be effective. TCAS is for heavy aircraft flying in narrow air traffic corridors.
[QUOTE=capgun;48143641]i believe the F16 has TCAS, but if the cessna doesn't have a transponder then it's not gonna help. You'd be surprised how easy it is to hit these little civvie planes. Tiny as all hell and they think they own the sky. I've heard of multiple close calls and been in one my self.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that FAA requires transponders in all civilian aircraft above certain size/weight ranges.
We should ban fighter planes because of this.
It looks like it was probably Class E airspace in the region where the crash happened... plus right in the middle of a few military training routes, from what it looks like (designated by IR and the grey lines). The F16 in question (I'm just guessing here) was probably trying to fly along IR18 or something around it and happened to hit the 150 as it was doing so. The speed limits for aircraft below 18,000 feet MSL are basically 250 knots everywhere except major airports, I'm not too sure about class D as I've just received my license and probably won't be going faster than 200 in a Piper Archer anyway, but I know there are lower speed limits in class C (something like Richmond Int'l here in VA) or class B (Atlanta/Hartsfield). The difference with the IR routes is that there are no speed limits. Think quick fighter jets flying close to the ground. Pilots know about them, but accidents still happen, as can be seen here, probably. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QDIzTf4.png[/IMG] At an airfield like this (class G) you don't need to establish two-way radio comms with ANYONE or even have a transponder equipped, because from the surface up to 700 feet AGL, below that magenta ring, it's class G airspace, i.e. uncontrolled... that magenta rung just says that from 700 to 17,999 feet, the airspace is class E. This is an uncontrolled field. Without the magenta ring, class E would start at 1200 and go up to 17999 feet as before. In class E, you still don't technically need to talk to anyone, but it's still a good idea to call up the ARTCC guy and get flight following if you're in a tiny plane flying VFR I personally came dangerously close to what looked like an F/A-18 flying around Danville, VA with my instructor back in February because we were flying kiiiiiinda close to a military route but not exactly inside it. Luckily we were about 1000 feet above it, and off to the south, so we didn't die. Issue is that, had we called the briefer or the fss or something, we could have probably asked for info about any military trianing flights going on that day. It still surprised us. My bets are that the pilot in the 150 didn't see the F16 until it was literally too late... [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=capgun;48143641]i believe the F16 has TCAS, but if the cessna doesn't have a transponder then it's not gonna help. You'd be surprised how easy it is to hit these little civvie planes. Tiny as all hell and they think they own the sky. I've heard of multiple close calls and been in one my self.[/QUOTE] You'd also be surprised at the amount of people who fly only on the weekends and literally DO NOT make radio calls to anyone, even out of courtesy at class E fields. I was going solo one time and almost took off into this douche in his kit Cub who was landing on the other side of the field. We call them "weekenders" [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Michael haxz;48143541]Sounds more like an ATC fuck up if you ask me[/QUOTE] No You don't need a transponder equipped unless you're flying into or above class A/B/C airspaces (up to 10,000 feet above class C or B primary airfield) and some other [URL="http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/PIC-archive/Equipment/Transponder-Requirements.aspx"]special cases[/URL]. Plus you only need two-way comms established starting in class D, moving up. This happened over a Class G field, probably in class E airspace, where some random ATC probably isn't paying too much attention to what's going on. They have their own shit to worry about. They weren't required to keep track of the 150, not sure who was talking to the F16, though, if anyone. [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Roll_Program;48145692][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_sky_theory[/URL] They weren't looking out for each other because a collision outside of narrow traffic patterns is so unlikely. [/QUOTE] I'll bet this is the case, even though pilots are trained to scan for traffic every so often, kind of like checking your mirrors while you're driving. I'll bet the majority of people don't usually do that. I should note for all the people who are going "where were the ATC?", it's not technically ATC's responsibility to look out for other planes for you. Granted, if you have flight following or are flying inside controlled airspace, they'll usually give you things like[I] "N4174T, traffic at your three-oclock, four miles northbound at 3000, cessna, report the traffic."[/I] And you'd look for it, and tell them that you see it, or tell them that you're looking for the traffic. But in the end, the pilot in command is responsible for the safety of the aircraft and its occupants.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;48143088]how do you fuck up air traffic so bad? i'm guessing military ATC is a lot different than civilian ATC but how do you not realize there are general aviation craft in the air at a certain flight level?[/QUOTE] We follow the same regulations as civilian controllers. The only difference is the kind of traffic we deal with and some of the phraseology we use.
[QUOTE=capgun;48143641]i believe the F16 has TCAS, but if the cessna doesn't have a transponder then it's not gonna help. You'd be surprised how easy it is to hit these little civvie planes. Tiny as all hell and they think they own the sky. I've heard of multiple close calls and been in one my self.[/QUOTE] No it may not have TCAS but it has a radar which will have a collision warning built into it.
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