German Coalition Talks Collapse, Outcome Uncertain - Polidicks

[QUOTE]BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The collapse of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s talks to form a three-way coalition government is “bad news for Europe” given the leading role of the European Union’s biggest member state, the Dutch foreign minister said on Monday. The euro and European shares slid after the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP) unexpectedly pulled out on Sunday from weeks of talks with Merkel’s conservative bloc and the ecologist Greens. “It’s bad news for Europe that the government in Germany will take a little longer,” new Dutch Foreign Minister Halbe Zijlstra told reporters on arrival for talks with his EU peers in Brussels. “Germany is a very influential country within the EU so if they don’t have a government and therefore don’t have a mandate it’ll be very hard for them to take positions.” Germany’s outgoing EU Minister Michael Roth, a member of the Social Democrats who are not in talks on forming a new Merkel government, said: “We all have an interest in getting a mandate so that we are able to take care fully of business in Europe.” “We have never had such a situation in Germany. So, given the collapse of these exploratory talks, we will need to assess the situation and decide accordingly.”[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-politics-eu/german-coalition-talks-collapse-is-bad-news-for-europe-dutch-minister-idUSKBN1DK0TQ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a12b6e104d301211e4442d5&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook"]Reuters.[/URL] Sorry for the many threads today, but lot of shit going on this week already.

Oh you fast fox, Spetsnaz95 , I was just on the way of making my own thread. Well whatever here goes: Context cheat sheet: [b]FDP[/b]: transl. as Free Democratic Party, mostly just called and abbreviated as liberals [b]CDU/CSU[/b]: transl. as Christian Democratic Union, think Christian conservatives [b]SPD[/b]: Social democrats transl. as Social Democratic Party of Germany, old coalition partner of CDU/CSU which governed 12 years [b]Grünen[/b]: The green party, very liberal, very ecological-oriented, you get the idea [b]Jamaica-Coalition[/b]: Coalition made of 3(or 4) parties derived from the colours of each party Black for CDU/CSU, yellow for FDP and green for, well you guessed it. Always rumoured, only tried on a state level which failed. [b]AfD[/b]: The new kid on the block which spooked mainstream parties with their election results, transl. as Alternative for Germany, think more covert alt-right, also shown to have Russian connections and Russian-financed backers. (See a pattern here, ya, me too) [Quote] The FDP ended talks abruptly: Germany is not getting a Jamaica-Coalition as a government. [...] Eight weeks after federal elections it is becoming clear: Germany won't get a government consisting of CDU, CSU, FDP and The Greens. FDP-Chief Christian Lindner sacked the possibility of a Jamaica-Coaltion in the night between sunday and monday. For chancellor Angela Merkel it is certainly a „historic“ day, „at the very least a day [attributed] to very hard thinking“, many proclaim. But the rest of the republic is also asking: What now? Politicians shouldn't take too much time to answer that very question. Momentarily the old government, consisting of CDU/CSU (called Union) and SPD, still govern on an provisional basis. In the long term Germany can't afford to just have an administrative leadership. The economy and free markets are also worried about an [upcoming] period of uncertainty. And this will last until Berlin sets clear conditions. [...] [/Quote] [URL=https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/jamaika-ist-gescheitert-wie-geht-es-jetzt-weiter/20605256.html?social=facebook]Source[/URL] [URL=http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2017-11/jamaika-verhandlungen-abbruch-szenarien-neuwahlen]Alternate short sauce[/URL] (There are not many german news source in MBFC, this one is with [URL=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/die-zeit/]Left-Center and High Factual Reporting[/URL]) 4 options left: Another "GroKo" (Große Kaoltiton aka big coalition aka old government) which is very unlikely since SPD got split in identity while governing and cost them many votes, they wanna reunite in opposition while also hindering the AfD of becoming opposition leader. Likeliness: [i]Astronomically small[/i] Jamaica-Coalition, may be a pipe dream to cross such a wide spectrum of opinions and ideals but the prospect of giving AfD more proverbial ammo by having talks fail and being dysfunctional in forming a government with the election results would play right into AfD's hands. Likeliness: [i]Unlikely but still possible if they pull (themselves) together[/i] Minority-Goverment, don't get a clear majority and rely being convincing and getting support from representatives on a case by case basis. Likeliness: [i]Very unlikely[/i] New federal elections, the fear of the parties, especially of the CDU/CSU Union, is losing even more votes to the AfD makes them vary of this option but no-one knows what might happen, this is the wild-card of options. Likeliness: [i]Most likely[/i]

From an outside perspective the FDP seem like a bunch of worthless scumbags, I don't know how you can be a responsible politician in that group and think "yeah, let's undermine our country's power!"

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52908321]From an outside perspective the FDP seem like a bunch of worthless scumbags, I don't know how you can be a responsible politician in that group and think "yeah, let's undermine our country's power!"[/QUOTE] They are the embodyment of the 90's turbocapitalism stock market predatory yuppie

Was not expecting this to happen. All remaining options sound significantly worse

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52908321]From an outside perspective the FDP seem like a bunch of worthless scumbags, I don't know how you can be a responsible politician in that group and think "yeah, let's undermine our country's power!"[/QUOTE] They seem afraid of "governing badly" as lindner put it and winding up being kicked out again (you need 5% of vote to get in.) Though the weird thing is that I couldn't find any specifics on WHY they pulled out. According to what I've read the greens seemed fairly happy and optimistic about the upcoming deal. A new election would be two months off from when it's called, so things can change. But according to what [URL="http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/"]polls[/URL] exist now things could get quite a bit worse if the AfD were to gain more.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52908452]They seem afraid of "governing badly" as lindner put it and winding up being kicked out again (you need 5% of vote to get in.) Though the weird thing is that I couldn't find any specifics on WHY they pulled out. According to what I've read the greens seemed fairly happy and optimistic about the upcoming deal. A new election would be two months off from when it's called, so things can change. But according to what [URL="http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/"]polls[/URL] exist now things could get quite a bit worse if the AfD were to gain more.[/QUOTE] FDP is rumoured to play games about power so they can further their agenda while everyone is held hostage by current circumstances, they have given no solid reasoning apart from the flimsy "talks were pushing us to our moral breaking point we are willing to compromise on". Only way without some uncertainty or confusion would be Jamaica, but who knows. Shit is fucked, my money is on new elections.

[QUOTE=Coolboy;52908481]FDP is rumoured to play games about power so they can further their agenda while everyone is held hostage by current circumstances, they have given no solid reasoning apart from the flimsy "talks were pushing us to our moral breaking point we are willing to compromise on". Only way without some uncertainty or confusion would be Jamaica, but who knows. Shit is fucked, my money is on new elections.[/QUOTE] Really I place a minority government and new elections as being similarly possible. They're both pretty much YOLO actions without real precedence in Germany iirc. I mean there's been two snap elections but no minority governments/failures to form a government I think.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52908488]Really I place a minority government and new elections as being similarly possible. They're both pretty much YOLO actions without real precedence in Germany iirc. I mean there's been two snap elections but no minority governments/failures to form a government I think.[/QUOTE] Germans especially german politicians hate uncertainty, especially now, so minority government is unlikely in my eyes, with new elections you will just be uncertain once instead of all the time. But only time will tell.