[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37880823"]Source.[/URL]
[QUOTE]US whistleblower Chelsea Manning attempted suicide for a second time last month, her lawyers say. Her legal team declined to give details but said prison conditions contributed to her fragile mental state.
Manning was sentenced to 14 days in solitary confinement in September for charges relating to her attempt to kill herself in July.
The transgender army private, born Bradley Manning, is serving a 35-year sentence for espionage. She was found guilty in September by prison officials in Leavenworth, Kansas, of "conduct which threatens" after her initial suicide attempt.
She was also convicted of having "prohibited property" - the book "Hacker, Hoaxer, Whistleblower, Spy" by Gabriella Coleman.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of what Manning's done, nothing justifies this kind of treatment. People give Russia shit for its harsh treatment of detainees but at the same time shit like this happens in the states.
Yeah no fucking shit
The fact that we as a country allow this treatment to continue is a fucking shame
[quote]Manning was sentenced to 14 days in solitary confinement in September for charges relating to her attempt to kill herself in July.[/quote]
Wait...what....Don't you usually, want to avoid isolating people who are depressed let alone fucking suicidal?
What the fuck.
[QUOTE=Xonax;51311859]Wait...what....Don't you usually, want to avoid isolating people who are depressed let alone fucking suicidal?
What the fuck.[/QUOTE]
Don't you want to avoid [I]punishing[/I] the suicidal in general
I seriously can only hope she either gets pardoned some day soon or that her next attempt is a success so she can have some fucking mercy
Putting someone in solitary confinement as punishment for depression and suicidal behavior is pretty much cruel and unusual punishment. And dont give me any of that "hurr shes government property because shes in the military" nonsense. That shouldnt be a free pass to essentially try and make someone kill themselves. She should be handed over to civilian authorities as the military is demonstrably making a bad problem worse.
[QUOTE=Xonax;51311859]Wait...what....Don't you usually, want to avoid isolating people who are depressed let alone fucking suicidal?
What the fuck.[/QUOTE]
Maybe its one of those padded prison cells?
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;51311943]Maybe its one of those padded prison cells?[/QUOTE]
Even if it was that doesnt make it better
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;51311943]Maybe its one of those padded prison cells?[/QUOTE]
it's not the location, it's the isolation. Isolation will fucking wreck anyone mentally, but using it as punishment for someone who's already so wrecked up with depression they've attempted to kill themselves [i]twice[/i] is deeply cruel and unwarranted. Isolation should be reserved for people who are a massive threat to those around them, not to themselves.
Two weeks. You're leaving someone with zero self worth and motivation to live with 20,160 minutes of nothing but their inner monologue and no link to day/night to regulate sleep, immediately after attempting to kill themselves. They're in physical pain, not getting much/any medical attention, and in the most indescribable raw mental anguish one could probably imagine. It's an eternity and does nothing to solve a single problem
US justice system. Retribution above all else.
I wonder how much of her mental state is related to gender dysphoria and hormonal imbalance. Transgender individuals do trend towards a higher rate of suicide in the US.
[QUOTE=Xonax;51311859]Wait...what....Don't you usually, want to avoid isolating people who are depressed let alone fucking suicidal?
What the fuck.[/QUOTE]
i honestly think they want to kill her yet cant because of US laws, so they just lock her up in solitary confinement so she does the job herself. if she fails just double down on the pressure to do it by extending solitary.
government mind games :ok:
[QUOTE=Chonch;51312857]I wonder how much of her mental state is related to gender dysphoria and hormonal imbalance. Transgender individuals do trend towards a higher rate of suicide in the US.[/QUOTE]
There's a higher trend in general, it's just worse in the US than places such as Sweden and other Nordic countries where they have better healthcare systems in place and better legal support.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51312898]If they wanted Manning to die they wouldn't try to prevent suicide though[/QUOTE]
Except they're legally obligated to try to prevent her from committing suicide or else there'd be a legal shitstorm.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51311940]Putting someone in solitary confinement as punishment for depression and suicidal behavior is pretty much cruel and unusual punishment. And dont give me any of that "hurr shes government property because shes in the military" nonsense. That shouldnt be a free pass to essentially try and make someone kill themselves. She should be handed over to civilian authorities as the military is demonstrably making a bad problem worse.[/QUOTE]
This is not cruel and unusual punishment. Let's get that straight. Cruel and unusual punishment has a four prong test that must be satisfied to be considered.
Solitary meets none of it.
[QUOTE=ferrus;51312489]US justice system. Retribution above all else.[/QUOTE]
It's not the US justice system, it's the UCMJ. If you don't know the difference, stop talking until you educate yourself.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51312990]This is not cruel and unusual punishment. Let's get that straight. Cruel and unusual punishment has a four prong test that must be satisfied to be considered.
Solitary meets none of it.[/QUOTE]
the technicalities of what's currently defined as cruel and unusual don't prevent people from disagreeing with the definition
[QUOTE=Ridge;51313196]It's not the US justice system, it's the UCMJ. If you don't know the difference, stop talking until you educate yourself.[/QUOTE]
Nobody gives a shit. Honestly stop trying to push the blame away
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51312990]This is not cruel and unusual punishment. Let's get that straight. Cruel and unusual punishment has a four prong test that must be satisfied to be considered.
Solitary meets none of it.[/QUOTE]
"...[B]is pretty much[/B] cruel and unusual punishment" "UM LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT - IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT." sure, fine, whatever man. she's still being [I]tortured[/I].
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51313261]Nobody gives a shit. Honestly stop trying to push the blame away[/QUOTE]
"I'd rather be ignorant to prove a point." is not a reasonable position to hold.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51312898]If they wanted Manning to die they wouldn't try to prevent suicide though[/QUOTE]
they don't want her to die, they want her to suffer as much as possible
[QUOTE=Judas;51316089]they don't want her to die, they want her to suffer as much as possible[/QUOTE]
That's some sociopathic levels of fucked up.
Do you guys really think the Government has a vendetta against Manning? She's been convicted and locked up in prison for good, they could probably give two shits less about her by now.
I want to know is how can someone found guilty of espionage and sentenced to 35 years in a military prison have access to a fucking cellphone to tweet.
It would be wise to just shut up, do your time, and move on afterward. Get with the program and stop trying to be a martyr.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51312857]I wonder how much of her mental state is related to gender dysphoria and hormonal imbalance. Transgender individuals do trend towards a higher rate of suicide in the US.[/QUOTE]
no it's because the government has been going out of its way to make her suffer.
[editline]6th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51312990]This is not cruel and unusual punishment. Let's get that straight. Cruel and unusual punishment has a four prong test that must be satisfied to be considered.
Solitary meets none of it.[/QUOTE]
thank you for your service
[QUOTE=ferrus;51312489]US justice system. Retribution above all else.[/QUOTE]
Gotta deter future leakers somehow. We wouldn't want more transparency in our government now would we?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51316199]I want to know is how can someone found guilty of espionage and sentenced to 35 years in a military prison have access to a fucking cellphone to tweet.
It would be wise to just shut up, do your time, and move on afterward. Get with the program and stop trying to be a martyr.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry did you just claim that they're just trying to commit suicide to be a martyr and not because of depression and also to just 'shut up' and get with the program
OHHHHHH fuck bro
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51316759]I'm sorry did you just claim that they're just trying to commit suicide to be a martyr and not because of depression and also to just 'shut up' and get with the program
OHHHHHH fuck bro[/QUOTE]
Why should anyone care about this convicted spy over any other prisoner. Answer: you shouldn't.
Theres no reason this spy should be in the news, ever. Get with the program, take the meds, shut up, don't make waves, and do your time.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51316860]Why should anyone care about this convicted spy over any other prisoner. Answer: you shouldn't.
Theres no reason this spy should be in the news, ever. Get with the program, take the meds, shut up, don't make waves, and do your time.[/QUOTE]
[I]oh fuck bro[/I]
[I]everything[/I] you just said was awful like talk about dehumanization and shit dawg fuck me
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51316199]I want to know is how can someone found guilty of espionage and sentenced to 35 years in a military prison have access to a fucking cellphone to tweet.
It would be wise to just shut up, do your time, and move on afterward. Get with the program and stop trying to be a martyr.[/QUOTE]
Looks to me like someone who operates Manning's account on her behalf and keeps in contact with her.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51316860]Why should anyone care about this convicted spy over any other prisoner. Answer: you shouldn't.
Theres no reason this spy should be in the news, ever. Get with the program, take the meds, shut up, don't make waves, and do your time.[/QUOTE]
Manning did some stupid shit but for christ's sake, a 35 year sentence could be considered excessive for someone who hasn't committed a violent crime and from a certain perspective did not have malicious intent, especially when there violent sex offenders and even murders who've done less time. Calling her a spy is a little excessive.
Sticking her in solitary has only worsened her already fragile psychological state and the fact they're penalising her for suicide attempts rather than trying to offer treatment makes it looks pretty fucking suspicious. At best they don't give a shit about the dehumanisation of a fellow human being, at worst it gives people the impression that they're intentionally torturing her as far as the limits of the law allow.
No this is not just specific to her but an issue with the US prison system/military whatever but that doesn't fucking justify it either way. This is just a clear shining example of the kind of dehumanising behaviour towards prisoners that needs to end.
So yeah, you can shut up whenever you say stupid shit like "get with the program, take the meds, shut up, don't make waves and do your time" for fuck's sake you come from one of the first grand nations in the world to espouse the values of liberty, freedom and justice for all etc all the usual patriotic bile that people like to hypocritically spew and forget when it's convenient.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51316860]Why should anyone care about this convicted spy over any other prisoner. Answer: you shouldn't.
Theres no reason this spy should be in the news, ever. Get with the program, take the meds, shut up, don't make waves, and do your time.[/QUOTE]
It's so easy to spew this pathetic dogma rather than consider for a second "hmm, maybe my government might be doing some fucked up things here". Glad you've been so easily convinced to so dehumanize other human beings to the point of essentially being animals, but I guess emphasizing or caring about other peoples suffering would be "making waves". You're definitely not a sociopath.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51316215]no it's because the government has been going out of its way to make her suffer.[/QUOTE]
I find that hard to believe without evidence. The chemistry of the human brain is very delicate, and it can't do much good for a man's mental state to go mucking around with his hormones. I'm not a doctor and I understand it's necessary for the transition but I just can't believe someone under the pressure that Chelsea is can really handle the grueling side effects of HRT on a man's body, especially so late in life. Maybe we can get a doctor or a credible medical report in here to help understand what's going on in her head.
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