[QUOTE]The UK bases its position on continuous administration of the islands since 1833 (apart from 1982) and the islanders having a "right to self determination, including their right to remain British if that is their wish". Argentina posits that it gained the Falkland Islands from Spain, upon becoming independent from it in 1816, and that the UK illegally occupied them in 1833
-Wikipedia[/QUOTE]
In 1982 the Argentinian government launched an invasion on the Falkland islands [South of Argentina]. The UK in response defended the island and defeated Argentinia. I would support the British claim on the islands since the people actually want to remain British. Recent polls show that like 95% of people want to remain part of the UK.
Both the UK/Argentina have some interest on the island's resources but it was Britain that developed the area so it could harvest the resources. Britain is starting to develop a history of taking small enclaves of the world (Hong Kong, Singapore, Falklands, etc) and building them up into amazing industrial powerhouses with tons of freedom.. and giving them to the totalitarian locals/tribals (PROC, Zimbabwe, rest of Africa, etc). It's really depressing watching alot of these places going downhill. I support the UK on the issue. [IMG]http://www.english-online.at/places/falkland-islands/falkland-islands-map.gif[/IMG]
Simple,delete the islands from existance,that solves the problem
[QUOTE=IPK;39935825]Simple,delete the islands from existance,that solves the problem[/QUOTE]
That would probably be best. The amount killed during the Falklands war was about half the population of the actual islands. :/
Argentina's claim has zero value to it. They don't even care about the islands, they're just using it to distract their people from the myriad of problem their country has. Just like Videla during the Falklands War.
Argentina has a bit of a claim from a geographical standpoint, but the fact is that about 99% of the population wants to stay British, and the will of the actual residents more than overrules any claim Argentina has to the islands. Not to mention is has historically been a British possession, while that doesn't mean Britain's claim to it is completely indisputable, if anyone has a right to dispute it it's the population of the islands, and they clearly do not.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;39941484]Argentina has a bit of a claim from a geographical standpoint, but the fact is that about 99% of the population wants to stay British, and the will of the actual residents more than overrules any claim Argentina has to the islands. Not to mention is has historically been a British possession, while that doesn't mean Britain's claim to it is completely indisputable, if anyone has a right to dispute it it's the population of the islands, and they clearly do not.[/QUOTE]
"claim from a geographical standpoint" is irrelevant. By that logic, Canada has a claim to Greenland.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39941563]"claim from a geographical standpoint" is irrelevant. By that logic, Canada has a claim to Greenland.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and by that same claim the US owns Cuba, China owns Taiwan, South Korea owns Japan, and France, Belgium, and the Netherlands all own Britain. It's a very irrelevant claim that's not really worth any mention, and it's about the most claim they have.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39941563]"claim from a geographical standpoint" is irrelevant. By that logic, Canada has a claim to Greenland.[/QUOTE]
Brb, claiming New Zealand for the glory of Australia
The whole Argentinian claim actually comes from a strategic standpoint. It's large enough to have a large amount of military fortifications should the situation arise, and it's close enough to Argentina to actually plan an invasion from. Of course, the claim is egregious and outlandish, but it causes some concern considering how Argentina isn't particularly fond of the UK (Particularly after the Falklands War which was just a failed attempt on the military junta that was governing Argentina at the time to show their might).
There IS a claim to be made, it's just against the law.
I really doubt Argentina is worried about the UK invading it. The military Junta used the Falklands war to win support among the people because of how crappy they were managing the country.
They thought the UK wouldn't retaliate, which is strange.
can we not let them become the next Hong Kong? i mean the city is a wildly successful city but now the chinese comunists that have moved in want to teach the children there the folley of the capatilist system and the communist version of the history, which includes all capitalism failing.
the Falklands want to stay as part of britain, and britain will keep them, because they are a key naval base in the region, also since Argentina at a bit outgunned in the navil department, i think it won't matter anyway
Britain has the view that as long as over 50% of the inhabitants want to remain British then they will, if not then we'll allow them to become independent. This is the 21st century, we don't go around invading countries to look powerful anymore, we let the islanders decide.
We have no problem letting them become Argentinian if they want, but 99% don't.
There's absolutely nothing to discuss here. The islands could become Argentinian if the population wanted it or if the Argentinians had the firepower to come and take them. Neither is true, so they can fuck right off
Argentina has no idea how to peacefully assimilate foreign lands
Sadly Serbia forgot this too(reason why Kosovo still exists)
Seeing as Great Britain laid claim to these islands long before Argentina even existed as a country and the islanders wish to remain British, squashes any attempt at a claim. Though many different countrys have laid claim before going all the way back to the 17th century. But we (I'm British) gave the islanders a choice, I don't see Argentina doing such a thing even going as far to say "These islanders have no say in the matter" kinda says a lot about Argentinas goverment handles things. Here in the U.K. Scotland wants independence from the rest of the British isles as soon as 2014, you don't see the English goverment waving sabers and guns saying "No, your our property" this is the 21st century, gone are the days of claims of land by force, its now peaceful talks and ideas that sway the minds of the people.
I feel the Islands should belong to Argentina but also what's done is done and they should just let it go.
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;39955053]I feel the Islands should belong to Argentina but also what's done is done and they should just let it go.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know why you feel that, considering they have no legitimate claim to the islands - for reasons people have stated already. The islands belong to the inhabitants, and the decision about whom they belong to is theirs and theirs alone to make.
Argentina actually has a claim from when they established a penal colony on the islands.
The British took it over within a few years, although Argentina didn't make any serious attempts to reclaim them for about 150 years.
A penal settlement is hardly legitimate.
[QUOTE=Sableye;39942129]can we not let them become the next Hong Kong? i mean the city is a wildly successful city but now the chinese comunists that have moved in want to teach the children there the folley of the capatilist system and the communist version of the history, which includes all capitalism failing.
the Falklands want to stay as part of britain, and britain will keep them, because they are a key naval base in the region, also since Argentina at a bit outgunned in the navil department, i think it won't matter anyway[/QUOTE]
Hong Kong is different to the Falklands. Hong Kong was already settled when the British arrived, and iirc, there was a lease that lasted until the early 90s. Once that expired Hong Kong became part of China again, we acted lawfully - exactly as we are with the Falklands.
The Falklands was a rocky outcrop in the middle of the southern Atlantic with no indigenous population, hence there's no one to 'give it back' to, as there technically was with Hong Kong and other colonies.
Also, the only military attack Argentina could make is by diverting a passenger plane full of commando's to the Falklands - this, however, would be a suicide mission as there are 1,000 royal marine commando's, 4 Typhoon fighters, a Frigate and a nuclear submarine all stationed there.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39956096]Argentina actually has a claim from when they established a penal colony on the islands.
The British took it over within a few years, although Argentina didn't make any serious attempts to reclaim them for about 150 years.[/QUOTE]
Off the top of my head, I believe the claim that Britain owned the Falklands before Argentina was a country stems from the dates of British colonisation ~1830 and Argentina's constitution ~1850. But you're right, the Penal Colony was there for around 3 years? Not exactly much of a claim still..
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39956096]Argentina actually has a claim from when they established a penal colony on the islands.
The British took it over within a few years, although Argentina didn't make any serious attempts to reclaim them for about 150 years.[/QUOTE]
If im not mistaken, don't the British then have a similar claim on the same lines considering they were in possession of it before Argentina and after Spain?
[QUOTE=butt2089;39956388] the Penal Colony was there for around 3 years? Not exactly much of a claim still..[/QUOTE]
let the Argentinians have that small penis colony and Britain keeps the rest. Sorted.
Well im Argentinian myself and i can say that our current government is way more than crap.
About the Falklands/Malvinas, i can say that 99% of people i know think that the islands belong to us and saying otherwise is extremely stupid.
I just don't give a shit anymore and the inhabitants have said that they want to remain British. Here it's a neverending debate on how the Falkland belong to us and how the Brits are all Pirates.
Apart from the fact out president will never make a serious statement on why they should be ours
[QUOTE=butt2089;39956388]Off the top of my head, I believe the claim that Britain owned the Falklands before Argentina was a country stems from the dates of British colonisation ~1830 and Argentina's constitution ~1850. But you're right, the Penal Colony was there for around 3 years? Not exactly much of a claim still..[/QUOTE]
It's a claim, given that the British took it over (although the British claimed it beforehand, so taking it over was justified for the British).
However, given that Argentina failed to make serious complaints or efforts to obtain the islands for 150 years, I would say those islands are British now.
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Apart from the fact out president will never make a serious statement on why they should be ours[/QUOTE]
So it's basically you hate the British and believe the Falklands is argentinian or you're not a patriot?
[QUOTE=lol user;39959211]Well im Argentinian myself and i can say that our current government is way more than crap.
About the Falklands/Malvinas, i can say that 99% of people i know think that the islands belong to us and saying otherwise is extremely stupid.
I just don't give a shit anymore and the inhabitants have said that they want to remain British. Here it's a neverending debate on how the Falkland belong to us and how the Brits are all Pirates.
Apart from the fact out president will never make a serious statement on why they should be ours[/QUOTE]
What was general sentiment to the soldiers who fought in the war after it?
Simple. The UK fought for the islands and won. In my opinion this give them the right to remain there.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;39961580]So it's basically you hate the British and believe the Falklands is argentinian or you're not a patriot?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's basically the whole argument for some people i know, and alot use it.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;39962227]What was general sentiment to the soldiers who fought in the war after it?[/QUOTE]
I know that back when they lost and came home, the "government" wanted it to remain hidden as it was like such a shame to loose, they didnt even get recognized back then
[QUOTE=lol user;39970303]Yeah that's basically the whole argument for some people i know, and alot use it.
I know that back when they lost and came home, the "government" wanted it to remain hidden as it was like such a shame to loose, they didnt even get recognized back then[/QUOTE]
How is the Malvinas conflict taught in schools? I assume its biased, but to what degree? Are the English Portrayed as modern day mongals or just people holding on to a shattered empire.
GB controls swathes of Argentine territories (water wise) and could potentially threaten sea lanes. It runs afoul of American tradition with the Monroe Doctrine
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