Okay, that's just hilarious. How fucking deep in denial can they be?
[editline]26th August 2014[/editline]
Also, how [I]shit[/I] are you at "black ops" missions when you paint over the markings on your vehicles, but you let your soldiers keep their dogtags?
The veil is a bare few atoms thin at this point
[QUOTE=Riller;45803041]Okay, that's just hilarious. How fucking deep in denial can they be?
[editline]26th August 2014[/editline]
Also, how [I]shit[/I] are you at "black ops" missions when you paint over the markings on your vehicles, but you let your soldiers keep their dogtags?[/QUOTE]
It's what happens when you suck at subtlety, and Russia is no stranger to that concept.
[QUOTE=MendozaMan;45803066]It's what happens when you suck at subtlety, and Russia is no stranger to that concept.[/QUOTE]
Way I see it, this is less incompetence and more lack of care mixed with underestimating Ukrainian capabilities. They prolly never considered the fact that their troops might get captured or killed.
They accidentally removed the markings from their vehicles too, but everybody makes mistakes I guess.
Don't worry, any second now we'll have some Russians coming in to tell us that this is just Western propaganda and should be ignored.
[QUOTE=Riller;45803075]Way I see it, this is less incompetence and more lack of care mixed with underestimating Ukrainian capabilities. They prolly never considered the fact that their troops might get captured or killed.[/QUOTE]
or maybe these guys are actually sent on a mission to get caught, so the Russians can come save them
[QUOTE=download;45803086]Don't worry, any second now we'll have some Russians coming in to tell us that this is just Western propaganda and should be ignored.[/QUOTE]
Save us, oh Holy Trinity of Conscript, Muffinzerg and Katamari-... Kamatra-... Kaxamat-.. That third guy.
[QUOTE=Riller;45803041]Okay, that's just hilarious. How fucking deep in denial can they be?
[editline]26th August 2014[/editline]
Also, how [I]shit[/I] are you at "black ops" missions when you paint over the markings on your vehicles, but you let your soldiers keep their dogtags?[/QUOTE]
Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.
[QUOTE=antianan;45803108]Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.[/QUOTE]
Right, I'm sure they just accidentally crossed the border with a country they're experiencing major hostilities with.
Seriously mate? Is that the best you can come up with? If they accidentally crossed over the border I imagine they probably wouldn't have got rid of the markings on their armor, it's in fact far more likely that they were ordered to go across and just coincidentally happened to collectively have the IQ of a retarded salmon.
[QUOTE=antianan;45803108]Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.[/QUOTE]
I don't know Russian, but the source states that [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnluyd4s0p0"]this[/URL] video shows one of the captured soldiers stating they painted over their Russian markings on their vehicles, so yeah, they do mention vehicles.
[QUOTE=antianan;45803108]Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.[/QUOTE]
Are you serial?
[QUOTE=antianan;45803108]Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.[/QUOTE]
wow, how can you be so dumb
[QUOTE=bravehat;45803142]Right, I'm sure they just accidentally crossed the border with a country they're experiencing major hostilities with.
Seriously mate? Is that the best you can come up with? If they accidentally crossed over the border I imagine they probably wouldn't have got rid of the markings on their armor, it's in fact far more likely that they were ordered to go across and just coincidentally happened to collectively have the IQ of a retarded salmon.[/QUOTE]
I'm just trying to use logic. I mean,they must be retarded to wear dogtags and uniform on secret missions. This is stupid. They could easily dress like rebels, but they didn't.
Also, can you please link the source that mentions their vehicles and erased markings? I can't find this in the OP's article.
[QUOTE=antianan;45803108]Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.[/QUOTE]
What should specops look like? I bet my head specops soldiers mostly look just like regular soldiers.
Russkies fucked up. I think the soldiers were intended to join the rebels or something. Just no reason to really attack Ukrainian military with Russian soldiers since if we wanted to do it we would just use artillery.
[QUOTE=antianan;45803108]Well, the article doesn't mention vehicles. Also, while i'm pretty sure there are groups of russian specops acting on Ukraine soil, these very guys don't look like them at all. They are just regular soldiers. Probably they really crossed the border by mistake while patrolling or something.[/QUOTE]
So israel has JIDF, is this the RIDF or SIDF? :v:
This is really strange they didn't take the dogtags off on a mission in Ukraine. Especially considering how "green men" previously acted in Crimea without a single mistake.
This probably was an accident, even though a fucking stupid one. They are most luckily border guards. Just my guesses.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45803194]This is really strange they didn't take the dogtags off on a mission in Ukraine. Especially considering how "green men" previously acted in Crimea without a single mistake.
This probably was an accident, even though a fucking stupid one. They are most luckily border guards. Just my guesses.[/QUOTE]
Bordrder guards accidentally covered up their vehicle identifications and crossed 30kms into Ukraine?
This is where they were captured according to "Ukrainian source"
[img]http://i.gyazo.com/799c84d2e9eb3af36ea915d524886cd5.png[/img]
That's pretty deep in. Now I don't think it really was a mistake, because you coudn't not notice passing 3 Ukrainian towns.
[QUOTE=antianan;45803185]Also, can you please link the source that mentions their vehicles and erased markings? I can't find this in the OP's article.[/QUOTE]
I [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnluyd4s0p0"]linked[/URL] you before.
[QUOTE=Novangel;45803200]Yeah border guards accidentally covered up their vehicle identifications and crossed 30kms into Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
How could they not take the dogtags off?
[QUOTE=kirederf7;45803168]Are you serial?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tasm;45803180]wow, how can you be so dumb[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crimor;45803191]So israel has JIDF, is this the RIDF or SIDF? :v:[/QUOTE]
Thanks, guys. Actually, i'm not trying to justify everything my country did lately, and i don't think it's all white and such. And i'm not denying that there are russian soldiers among rebels, disguised as rebels. But sending troops with tags which can cause a big political problem is not logical. Why would they do this?
[QUOTE=Riller;45803204]I [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnluyd4s0p0"]linked[/URL] you before.[/QUOTE]
Oh, this video. All right, I'm at work now, so can't watch it at this moment. Thanks, anyway.
[QUOTE=Riller;45803204]I [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnluyd4s0p0"]linked[/URL] you before.[/QUOTE]
I watched it all. The guy says they disguised BMD serial numbers, not remove all signs of identification.
Also said they were basically fooled into Ukraine and didn't even know where they were going until they saw an Ukrainian tank nearby. Had their IDs taken away the day before.
Looks shady and strange. Either Russians did it for some kind of provocation or Ukrainians faked it.
Or maybe it was really a mistake, but on Russian commanders part. Then someone is getting fucked by The Emperor himself soon.
This is all really shady.
[editline]26th August 2014[/editline]
[b]Oh wait[/b] I found a misconception.
The guy in the video says they were on a 70 km march and didn't know where they were going. They were escorting a column of BMDs (however where they went when they entered Ukraine remains unknown, since the source doesn't talk of captured BMDs).
[b]However[/b]
The guy says they arrived to Rostov and then were sent of a march.
Route Rostov-on-Don to the village they were captured in.
[img]http://i.gyazo.com/defd7df7bef31b10aaea92fd747eaf02.png[/img]
150 kms. How can you fuck up the distance twice?
This explains all those Russian fighters and bombers that occasionally entered the airspace of the UK and US.
They're all mistakes.
The russian military is really just shit at orientation.
"Oh shit we drove into Crimea, oh well, might as well claim this place for the motherland before leaving."
:v:
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;45803242]This explains all those Russian fighters and bombers that occasionally entered the airspace of the UK and US.
They're all mistakes.
The russian military is really just shit at orientation.
"Oh shit we drove into Crimea, oh well, might as well claim this place for the motherland before leaving."
:v:[/QUOTE]
This is our ancient tradition.
In 1612 the cossacs randomly, without permission from the Tsar or any valid reason, entered the city of Azov and captured it.
Then they proceeded to hold it for 5 years, defending it against the Turks.
The Tsar, however, didn't want a war with the Turks (yet) and didn't claim the city. So the cossacs eventually had to leave.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45803254]This is our ancient tradition.
In 1612 the cossacs randomly, without permission from the Tsar or any valid reason, entered the city of Azov and captured it.
Then they proceeded to hold it for 5 years, defending it against the Turks.
The Tsar, however, didn't want a war with the Turks (yet) and didn't claim the city. So the cossacs eventually had to leave.[/QUOTE]
In 2014 the cossacs randomly, without permission from the Tsar or any valid reason, entered the city of Donetsk and captured it.
Then they proceeded to hold it for 5 Months, defending it against the Ukrainians.
The Tsar, however, didn't want a war with the Ukrainians (yet) and didn't claim the city. So the cossacs eventually had to leave
[QUOTE=antianan;45803185]I'm just trying to use logic. I mean,they must be retarded to wear dogtags and uniform on secret missions. This is stupid. They could easily dress like rebels, but they didn't.
Also, can you please link the source that mentions their vehicles and erased markings? I can't find this in the OP's article.[/QUOTE]
Dogtags make sense. Generally you would paint over the markings to make it harder for someone to make a quick confirmation on weather you are friendly or not. Dogtags aren't really something that you discern at a distance.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45803335]Dogtags make sense. Generally you would paint over the markings to make it harder for someone to make a quick confirmation on weather you are friendly or not. Dogtags aren't really something that you discern at a distance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but they can be easily discerned on bodies. Also, what sense do they make in this situation? As far as i know, their main purpose is to distinguish bodies (which is undesirable in secret missions) and to provide some medical information. The latter usually can also be found on a uniform.
To be Perfectly fair they were told they were marching into Russia, Ukraine just wasn't told yet
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