Illegal immigration into Canada from southern land border spikes after Trump's muslim ban - Polidicks

[IMG]https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3291168.1487385939!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]U.S. President Donald Trump’s much-maligned executive order barring travel to the U.S. by citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries, as well as his temporary cessation of the country’s refugee program, has stoked fears that further immigration restrictions are on the horizon. Although the travel ban was later rejected by a U.S. federal appeals court, Trump’s anti-immigration rhetoric and a growing push to round-up illegal immigrants in the U.S. means that asylum seekers’ fears have not been allayed by America’s judiciary. Facing possible future deportations, many are now trusting expensive human smugglers to bring them north to Canada, where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s welcoming overtures to immigrants and refugees stands in stark contrast to his American counterpart’s harsh stance. WHERE ARE THEY CROSSING? The most illegal border crossings appear to have occurred in Quebec and Manitoba. British Columbia and the Yukon have also experienced an influx of asylum seekers. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CROSSED? According to the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA), there were 7,022 land border crossings by asylum seekers in 2016, up from 4,407 in 2015. Quebec and Manitoba have seen the largest increases. The number of refugee claimants in Quebec, for example, hit 593 in December while there were 452 in January -- up from 74 in Dec. 2014. In Manitoba, 403 were recorded in 2016, up from 252 in 2015. At least 82 people have illegally crossed into Manitoba since Jan.1. CAN THEY LEGALLY CLAIM ASYLUM IN CANADA? It depends. The Canada-United States Safe Third Country Agreement, which was signed in 2002, requires people to apply for refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in. Any refugee claimant entering Canada at an official border crossing with the U.S., which is the only country that Canada has designated as a safe third country under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, is supposed to be turned away unless they have a blood relative in the country. People who illegally sneak into Canada at unregulated crossings, however, will generally have their asylum cases heard. Because the Safe Third Country Agreement encourages dangerous illegal border crossings, there have been calls for Ottawa to revoke the U.S.’ “safe third country” status. The federal government, however, has expressed no interest in doing this. WHAT’S THE RISK? Asylum seekers are often ill-prepared for the freezing winter weather they experience during their trips north. Two Ghanaian men who illegally entered Manitoba in December, for example, lost parts of their hands to the extreme frostbite they suffered during their journey. Once in Canada, moreover, there are no firm guarantees that a refugee’s claim will be accepted.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/fleeing-north-why-asylum-seekers-are-crossing-the-u-s-canada-border-1.3291157[/url]

We arent sending our best.

Maybe I shouldn't apply for refugee status and move to Canada...

underground railroad

It's like people emigrate when they're dissatisfied with their home country Just like Mexico

It's nearly doubled, which is quite amazing and frightening. Do you think there's a chance the next Canadian Prime Minister will build a wall between American and Canada and make America pay for it??

I'm curious about the demographics of these border-crossers. I heard a story on NPR about this exclusively dealing with Arabs and Hispanics who largely did not speak English, and definitely did not speak French. I think that may be an important distinction. On a different note, this is a heartwarming photo: [IMG]https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3291164.1487386018!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51840781]Maybe I shouldn't apply for refugee status and move to Canada...[/QUOTE] I would like to see an American legitimate apply for asylum/refugee status when going to Canada just to see the political circus to follow it.

Man the guy looks so odd in the OP photo he's running but the cop doesn't seem to be chasing

[QUOTE=shian;51841251]Man the guy looks so odd in the OP photo he's running but the cop doesn't seem to be chasing[/QUOTE] Canadians are just so nice that they give illegals a running start.

[QUOTE=shian;51841251]Man the guy looks so odd in the OP photo he's running but the cop doesn't seem to be chasing[/QUOTE] Where is he going to run, back into US? Hah!

[QUOTE=shian;51841251]Man the guy looks so odd in the OP photo he's running but the cop doesn't seem to be chasing[/QUOTE] He might not be running. He's stepping over snow, which when people aren't wearing the proper clothing they tend to step funny to minimise loose snow getting in their clothing. The arms up looks more like a balance thing than a running thing to me. I'm not 100% though.

[QUOTE=IFawDown;51840707]We arent sending our best.[/QUOTE] No, you certainly are. We'll be taking your Statue of Liberty while we're at it. You guys no longer deserve it.

[QUOTE=IFawDown;51840707]We arent sending our best.[/QUOTE] Oh yes we are. Brain drain from the US in the next few years is going to slam this country hard if it gets worse. Europe and Canada are going to be rich with the best the US had to offer.

You know what this means right? We have to build a wall across the Canada border to stop illegal immigration from there too!

[QUOTE=Hey I'm Grump;51841918]You know what this means right? We have to build a wall across the Canada border to stop illegal immigration from there too![/QUOTE] Oh, I get it. You Americans want to keep everyone [I]in[/I] your country now that people are jumping ship.

[QUOTE=Hey I'm Grump;51841918]You know what this means right? We have to build a wall across the Canada border to stop illegal immigration from there too![/QUOTE] The only real solution is to build a wall around the entire US border to stop ships as well.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51841926]Oh, I get it. You Americans want to keep everyone [I]in[/I] your country now that people are jumping ship.[/QUOTE] Well, I do believe Conway cited the Berlin Wall as proof that "walls work", so wouldn't surprise me if they built a wall to keep us in like that.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51842035]Well, I do believe Conway cited the Berlin Wall as proof that "walls work", so wouldn't surprise me if they built a wall to keep us in like that.[/QUOTE] I love the multiple ways this could be interpreted. Is the Berlin Wall an example of a wall that worked by keeping people in instead of out? Is the Berlin Wall an example of an international embarrassment that fell 30 years later?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51842043]I love the multiple ways this could be interpreted. Is the Berlin Wall an example of a wall that worked by keeping people in instead of out? Is the Berlin Wall an example of an international embarrassment that fell 30 years later?[/QUOTE] I think you're making it a whole lot deeper than was intended. The Berlin Wall is an example of a wall that stopped the mass movement of people, what side it was stopped doesn't change it's effectiveness as a wall.

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[QUOTE=Chonch;51841191]I'm curious about the demographics of these border-crossers. I heard a story on NPR about this exclusively dealing with Arabs and Hispanics who largely did not speak English, and definitely did not speak French. I think that may be an important distinction. [/QUOTE] The discussion is going to end up with everyone agreeing that they should be taught basic english or basic french if they expect to stay.

[QUOTE=Cureless;51842115]Send them back to where they came from, we don't need them here.[/QUOTE] Unless you're first nations, you can get back on the boat too. Off you go, pack up and leave and take your attitude with you.

[QUOTE=Cureless;51842115]Send them back to where they came from, we don't need them here.[/QUOTE] Considering we're a low birth rate country with an aging population and trades worker deficit we definitely need immigrants even if they cross illegally. These pics make it feel like something out of the Dukes of Hazard [IMG]https://i.cbc.ca/1.3989861.1487439056!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_940/canada-refugees.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=The golden;51840957]You know shit is fucked up when you're seeing people flee from the USA of all places and look for asylum elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Shit isn't fucked up. Well, it is, but not like this. These are people living off of baseless fear. Muslims aren't being banned. There is a 2 month halt on further immigration from 6 countries, out of the dozens that are Muslim majority.

[QUOTE=Cureless;51842115]Send them back to where they came from, we don't need them here.[/QUOTE] Then you're no Canadian and you can leave too. As elix said, unless you're a Native American you're an immigrant.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51842801]Shit isn't fucked up. Well, it is, but not like this. These are people living off of baseless fear. Muslims aren't being banned. There is a 2 month halt on further immigration from 6 countries, out of the dozens that are Muslim majority.[/QUOTE] Though actually, there isn't, since the order was illegal and has been blocked. Also come on, 'baseless fear'? In what world is the fear that the guy who repeatedly promised a Muslim ban might try to implement one 'baseless'?

[QUOTE=Ridge;51842801]Shit isn't fucked up. Well, it is, but not like this. These are people living off of baseless fear. Muslims aren't being banned. There is a 2 month halt on further immigration from 6 countries, out of the dozens that are Muslim majority.[/QUOTE] That's not the real fear here - the real fear is the arbitrariness and swiftness that this was executed with. Imagine, for example, that US is currently having strained diplomatic ties with India. I need to travel there on work and in the 24 hours it takes for me to fly in, the US government again decides to issue a travel ban to Indian nationals. Even setting aside the fact that nothing bad is likely to happen to me personally - they'll cancel the visa and technically deport me back to my home country - do you know what kind of a ramification having a cancelled visa or a deportation means for the traveller? Every time I need to apply for a new visa from that point on, I'll need to actually declare that on the form and then run a risk of having to explain the cricumstances to a consular officer who may or may not give a shit and reject my application. It's all fine and dandy for western folks who have visa-on-arrival (if they even need one at all) for travel between US/UK/EU, but for countries that need these visas, the US shutting the door on you is almost as likely to get a huge fuck you from the rest of the western world as well. It also works reciprocally - if you get a US visa, getting the other visas are a hell of a lot easier as well. So yes, this sentient hairpiece writing executive orders willy nilly without thinking through the consequences this could have for international trade in general with other countries is a pretty serious problem.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51842843]Then you're no Canadian and you can leave too. As elix said, unless you're a Native American you're an immigrant.[/QUOTE] do you keep your doors unlocked?

Is anyone fleeing to mexico?