[QUOTE]Caleb Gordley wanted to go to a party Saturday night. But the 16-year-old was grounded because he hadn’t cleaned his room. So he decided he’d[B] sneak out of his Loudoun County house to be with his friends.[/B]
When he left the party about 2 a.m., Caleb needed to sneak home.
[B]His friends dropped him off and helped hoist him through a back window. But Caleb had been drinking and had gone to the wrong house.[/B] The brick homes on his street are similar, and Caleb was two doors down from his own. The homeowner heard his burglar alarm sound, grabbed his gun and went to investigate. When the two met on the stairs inside the house, the man said he told the teen to leave and fired a warning shot, according to a law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. Caleb didn’t stop, and the home-owner fired again, striking and killing the teen, the official said.
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[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/loudoun-teen-fatally-shot-by-homeowner-identified/2013/03/18/1e8611f8-8fe2-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html[/URL]
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Although I do feel bad for the kid, he BROKE the back window to get in.
I want to say something about karma but decided not to be a dick about it.
this is right around the corner from where I grew up
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39975903]My mom just called me to tell me about this, this is the county I'm from.
This is why you don't shoot first and ask questions later.[/QUOTE]
Did you read? He fired a warning shot and told the teen to leave and the teen kept walking towards him.
[QUOTE=TehAgentGuy;39975892]I want to say something about karma but decided not to be a dick about it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because not cleaning your room and underage drinking totally deserve being shot and killed. Even thinking about posting it makes you a dick.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39975903]My mom just called me to tell me about this, this is the county I'm from.
This is why you don't shoot first and ask questions later.[/QUOTE]
This is why you don't break into someone's house at 2 in the fucking morning. Stupid hurts.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39975903]My mom just called me to tell me about this, this is the county I'm from.
This is why you don't shoot first and ask questions later.[/QUOTE]
He told him to stop, and then fired a warning shot and told him to stop again, and then he shot him :I
Kid sounds like a dickbag. Rough way die though. I feel bad for most of the people involved.
Also, how did the two friends not notice? Were they plastered as fuck too? The article doesn't say.
Was it pitch dark? Couldn't the homeowner see it's a teen wobbling through his home doing no harm?
[QUOTE=The golden;39975908]He didn't deserve to die but the homeowner gave ample warning.
It said the "teen didn't stop". Was he making a move for the homeowner or something?[/QUOTE]
Or the guy was drunk, thought it was his house, and wondered why there was an armed intruder in his house?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39975903]My mom just called me to tell me about this, this is the county I'm from.
This is why you don't shoot first and ask questions later.[/QUOTE]
Gun owner does everything right, you still think he's in the wrong.
Why even bother if you're just going to be against them no matter what?
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39975937]Or the guy was drunk, thought it was his house, and wondered why there was an armed intruder in his house?[/QUOTE]
Not a chance I'd like to take.
[QUOTE=Ice Tea;39975931]Was it pitch dark? Couldn't the homeowner see it's a teen wobbling through his home doing no harm?[/QUOTE]
"Doing no harm"
Which is why the burglar alarm was sounding off from a broken window?
Oh hey, that's my name.
But really, it's sad that the kid had to die, but the home owner was completely justified in his actions.
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;39975915]Did you read? He fired a warning shot and told the teen to leave and the teen kept walking towards him.[/QUOTE]
Not sure how important it is, but isn't it dangerous and generally frowned upon to fire warning shots?
If a guy stumbled into my house drunk as fuck at 2 am and then refused to leave when I fired a warning shot I honestly don't know what I would do.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39975937]Or the guy was drunk, thought it was his house, and wondered why there was an armed intruder in his house?[/QUOTE]
He obviously didn't think it was [I]his[/I] house if he was going to a party and literally had to break in. PLUS he was warned, it's a horrible situation, and I feel bad for the kid, but the homeowner is not in the wrong.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39975963]Not sure how important it is, but isn't it dangerous and generally frowned upon to fire warning shots?[/QUOTE]
Its generally a bad idea because you could hit an unintended person/object/etc
[QUOTE=viper shtf;39975917]This is why you don't break into someone's house at 2 in the fucking morning. Stupid hurts.[/QUOTE]
Except he wasn't trying to break into the house, he was drunk as fuck.
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;39975915]Did you read? He fired a warning shot and told the teen to leave and the teen kept walking towards him.[/QUOTE]
I read a different article which didn't mention that.
Nor did it mention that the teen was drunk (though I assumed it had to be the case)
[QUOTE=Valdor;39975953]Gun owner does everything right, you still think he's in the wrong.
Why even bother if you're just going to be against them no matter what?[/QUOTE]
see above
I'm not against gun ownership for defense fyi
[QUOTE=16bit;39975924]He told him to stop, and then fired a warning shot and told him to stop again, and then he shot him :I[/QUOTE]
According to the homeowner. He is the only source we have, for all we know he was an overzealous gun owner and fired instantly.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39975963]Not sure how important it is, but isn't it dangerous and generally frowned upon to fire warning shots?[/QUOTE]
Yes. I think that shows that the homeowner didn't want to shoot him unless he absolutely had to though.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39975977]I read a different article which didn't mention that.
Nor did it mention that the teen was drunk (though I assumed it had to be the case)[/QUOTE]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/teen-fatally-shot-mistakenly-walked-wrong-house-163650001.html[/url]
Are you referring to this article? If so, they chopped out the bit of him being warned.
[QUOTE=The golden;39975999]Hopefully there will be other witnesses who may have heard multiple gunshots.[/QUOTE]
It was actually from an LEO so I take it back as it was most likely the case.
[QUOTE=The golden;39975999]Hopefully there will be other witnesses who may have heard multiple gunshots.[/QUOTE]
Plus there will be two bullet holes around the house
[QUOTE=16bit;39975991][url]http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/teen-fatally-shot-mistakenly-walked-wrong-house-163650001.html[/url]
Are you referring to this article? If so, they chopped out the bit of him being warned.[/QUOTE]
yes although that does mention he was drunk I just missed it (and missed it again on a skim back through)
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39975977]Except he wasn't trying to break into the house, he was drunk as fuck.
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and the home owner was supposed to know that how?
[QUOTE='[LOA] SonofBrim;39975973']He obviously didn't think it was [I]his[/I] house if he was going to a party and literally had to break him. PLUS he was warned, it's a horrible situation, and I feel bad for the kid, but the homeowner is not in the wrong.[/QUOTE]
No, he was returning to what he thought was his house, [i]after[/i] the party, if you'd read the article right.
I mean, I feel sorry for the homeowner, because he's just needlessly killed a guy. And sure, you can say the homeowner was the in wrong, but I don't really see how the guy used reasonable force at all in this situation. A warning shot isn't a magical 'I did nothing wrong' card.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39976028]And sure, you can say the homeowner was the in wrong, but I don't really see how the guy used reasonable force at all in this situation. A warning shot isn't a magical 'I did nothing wrong' card.[/QUOTE]
Confused. Are you saying the homeowner acted reasonably or not?
[editline]19th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39976014]and the home owner was supposed to know that how?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say the homeowner was supposed to know. What does that have to do with what I said?
I'm saying the kid made a mistake. The other guy was saying it's the kid's fault for breaking into someone's house but he wasn't trying to.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39976028]No, he was returning to what he thought was his house, [i]after[/i] the party, if you'd read the article right.
I mean, I feel sorry for the homeowner, because he's just needlessly killed a guy. And sure, you can say the homeowner was the in wrong, but I don't really see how the guy used reasonable force at all in this situation. A warning shot isn't a magical 'I did nothing wrong' card.[/QUOTE]
If you were woken up in the middle of the night, 2am, to your burglar alarm going off, and a stranger shambling up your stairs in the dark, without responding or leaving when warned, (something that most normal burglars would respond to by fleeing at least, meaning this man probably thought the intruder was armed and dangerous, or a lunatic) even when a warning shot is fired, you're likely going to fire and try to protect yourself and your family. You don't know how dangerous this person is, and for all you know, they could be trying to harm you and everyone else in your house. You fire the gun in order to neutralize the threat, and unfortunately the teen died as a consequence.
The teenager didn't deserve to die, but the home owner did nothing wrong, and I think most people would have done the same thing. He killed a man, and I'm sure he's going through emotional problems, and possibly PTSD as a result. He is by no means "in the wrong," and is just as much a victim as the teen, if not more.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;39976058]Confused. Are you saying the homeowner acted reasonably or not?[/QUOTE]
well someone broke into his home mistakenly, not a real offense, but in the heat of the moment and in a situation where the intruder isn't listening and isn't responding to the warnings then it's a potentially scary situation. You don't know that person is just a drunk kid who doesn't mean harm, he could be a serious burglar, he's already ignored your warnings so he must mean to fight if he isn't running then.
It's not like there's an honest moral highground here for anyone, it's a terrible situation. The gun owner did what he could within reason to not overreact and the poor kid was just too drunk to know what was going on it seems.
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