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[quote]Bon Jovi's first ever concerts in China have been cancelled by government officials, the BBC has learned.
No reason was given, but media reports suggest that censors discovered the US rock band had used an image of the Dalai Lama as a backdrop at a gig five years ago.[/quote]
[quote]The Financial Times reported the Communist party's Culture Ministry acted after discovering Bon Jovi had performed in front of a picture of the Tibetan monk at a 2010 concert in Taiwan, and had previously tweeted about the spiritual leader. [/quote]
[quote]Announcing the Bon Jovi shows earlier this year, frontman Jon Bon Jovi had said he was "excited" to be performing in Beijing for the first time ever.
In a recent interview with Chinese state media he described the band's music as being about "individual freedom and expression".
Last month, he even recorded a cover of The Moon Represents My Heart, arguably the most famous Chinese love song ever.[/quote]
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34184537]**SOURCE**[/url]
[quote]Leaders in China have called the Dalai Lama a "splittist" and a "wolf in monk's robes". [/quote]
There's a number of things we also call you, but we can't talk about that here.
I do have issues with the Dalai Lama, simply because he is essentially an unelected theocrat, which i cant condone.
But what the Tibetans were stuck with, i dont think, is anything compared to being under the boot of an openly evil totalitarian regime.
Also im halfway surprised china didnt just arrest bon jovi during his planned tour, blindfold and firing squad.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;48639071]I do have issues with the Dalai Lama, simply because he is essentially an unelected theocrat, which i cant condone.
But what the Tibetans were stuck with, i dont think, is anything compared to being under the boot of an openly evil totalitarian regime.
Also im halfway surprised china didnt just arrest bon jovi during his planned tour, blindfold and firing squad.[/QUOTE]
Yeah everyone has a fetish for the Dalai Lama because of his "hero" status as being against China.
He still ruled over a theocratic feudalist state before the Chinese came along.
I love the idea that a group of Chinese governement men in suits gathered around a table to cancel a Bon Jovi tour.
PRC is the best thing that ever happened to Tibet
As far as I'm concerned Dalai can goto hell. He's the epitome of a tyrant who's attempting to reclaim his throne of complete and terrifying sadist control. The only reason people even somewhat support him is because of anti-communist leadings during the Cold War and the support the United States and Soviets gave to the Tibetans during the 60's and 70's.
Tibet is far better off in the current autonomous state it has as of the moment. It experiences great economic rejoices and cultural exportation. Hell, back then no one really knew about how good tea and cheese from Tibet were. Now they are literally considered a luxury amongst every class in the western world. Buttermilk tea from a tea brick? Amazing when aged and smoked with some cherry or apple wood. Cheese? Try to start an argument with someone who's interested with cheese by saying yak buttermilk cheese isn't delicious.
Seriously, the thought of some of these things makes me want to go place an order for some tea bricks and see if any of my local stores carry yak cheese.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48640165]As far as I'm concerned Dalai can goto hell. He's the epitome of a tyrant who's attempting to reclaim his throne of complete and terrifying sadist control. The only reason people even somewhat support him is because of anti-communist leadings during the Cold War and the support the United States and Soviets gave to the Tibetans during the 60's and 70's.
Tibet is far better off in the current autonomous state it has as of the moment. It experiences great economic rejoices and cultural exportation. Hell, back then no one really knew about how good tea and cheese from Tibet were. Now they are literally considered a luxury amongst every class in the western world. Buttermilk tea from a tea brick? Amazing when aged and smoked with some cherry or apple wood. Cheese? Try to start an argument with someone who's interested with cheese by saying yak buttermilk cheese isn't delicious.
Seriously, the thought of some of these things makes me want to go place an order for some tea bricks and see if any of my local stores carry yak cheese.[/QUOTE]
Y'know, I've always heard the Dalai Lama was awesome, and sometimes heard he's actually a piece of shit... but I've never heard any reasons for either.
It's always, "He's a great guy!" and that's it, or it's, "He's a tyrant!" and that's it. I'm legitimately curious as to why he's so bad, because I've never paid much attention to him.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;48640258]Y'know, I've always heard the Dalai Lama was awesome, and sometimes heard he's actually a piece of shit... but I've never heard any reasons for either.
It's always, "He's a great guy!" and that's it, or it's, "He's a tyrant!" and that's it. I'm legitimately curious as to why he's so bad, because I've never paid much attention to him.[/QUOTE]
Great guy because China is a bunch of commies
Bad guy because feudalist tyrannical madman
[QUOTE=Robman8908;48640258]Y'know, I've always heard the Dalai Lama was awesome, and sometimes heard he's actually a piece of shit... but I've never heard any reasons for either.
It's always, "He's a great guy!" and that's it, or it's, "He's a tyrant!" and that's it. I'm legitimately curious as to why he's so bad, because I've never paid much attention to him.[/QUOTE]
He effectively wants China to give Tibet a region similar to Hong Kong, but wants to enforce a theocrat government based around a Buddhist Monarchy. He also wants the power to effectively have people executed for going against the monarchy, rebuild the serf system used by Tibet previously, and enforce a class system which would effectively put monks at the highest ranks of society while making anyone who is not a monk at the bottom of society.
In otherwords, Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48640326]He effectively wants China to give Tibet a region similar to Hong Kong, but wants to enforce a theocrat government based around a Buddhist Monarchy. He also wants the power to effectively have people executed for going against the monarchy, rebuild the serf system used by Tibet previously, and enforce a class system which would effectively put monks at the highest ranks of society while making anyone who is not a monk at the bottom of society.
In otherwords, Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man.[/QUOTE]
Wich is also why the new age, western yuppie Buddhists are hilarious to me. They are actively supporting a system that had the monk class in golden castles, probably fucking all the altar boys they could possibly fit on their dicks. While the rest of the population sat on dirt floors in mud houses.
Oh yeah, and when the poor Tibetan mother watched her child whither away and die of starvation, she was meant to believe this was a just punishment for supposed transgressions in both her and the child's previous lives. So fuck Buddhism.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;48640349]Wich is also why the new age, western yuppie Buddhists are hilarious to me. They are actively supporting a system that had the monk class in golden castles, probably fucking all the altar boys they could possibly fit on their dicks. While the rest of the population sat on dirt floors in mud houses.
Oh yeah, and when the poor Tibetan mother watched her child whither away and die of starvation, she was meant to believe this was a just punishment for supposed transgressions in both her and the child's previous lives. So fuck Buddhism.[/QUOTE]
I guess it really doesn't matter what religion you look at, they are all fucked up to a good degree. Buddhism seems to have this strange acceptance.
[quote]but media reports suggest that censors discovered the US rock band had used an image of the Dalai Lama as a backdrop at a gig five years ago.[/quote]
oh no he may have used forboden images some time in his past, censor him!
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;48640349]
Oh yeah, and when the poor Tibetan mother watched her child whither away and die of starvation, she was meant to believe this was a just punishment for supposed transgressions in both her and the child's previous lives. So fuck Buddhism.[/QUOTE]
Can you point me to where this is related to traditional zen or tibetan buddhism. Buddhism teaches that everyone suffers no matter how good or bad they are. You sound like you are mixing Hinduism or something similar up with buddhism.
a lot of dicks are going to be ripped
[QUOTE=Antlerp;48640595]I guess it really doesn't matter what religion you look at, they are all fucked up to a good degree. Buddhism seems to have this strange acceptance.[/QUOTE]
Because it's a more inward focused religion.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;48640595]I guess it really doesn't matter what religion you look at, they are all fucked up to a good degree. Buddhism seems to have this strange acceptance.[/QUOTE]
Buddhism hasn't really started any major wars afaik.
The Dalai Lama actually came to my high school, they loved him.
[video]https://youtu.be/IFjewi-KlWQ[/video]
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48642789]Buddhism hasn't really started any major wars afaik.[/QUOTE]
Laptops about to die so I can't link it, but the previous Dalai lama is known internationally as a tyrant and war monger. Also, buddhists in Myanmar are oppressing a slaughtering Muslims all the time. And prior to the rise of neo-confucianism is east asia, Buddhism was the state sponsored religion of nearly every asian country which endeavored to call itself an empire.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48642789]Buddhism hasn't really started any major wars afaik.[/QUOTE]
Eh depends, there have been militant Buddhists in many eastern Asian conflicts and certainly india-regional conflicts have been fueled by Buddhist/Hindu diffrerences, as well as the current lama having been on the payroll of the CIA for some time (though to be fare they had few alternatives at the time)
It really just shows that every organized belief system, even when so utterly dedicated to pascifism can be subverted by its followers to justify any cause
[QUOTE=Sableye;48642952]Eh depends, there have been militant Buddhists in many eastern Asian conflicts and certainly india-regional conflicts have been fueled by Buddhist/Hindu diffrerences, as well as the current lama having been on the payroll of the CIA for some time (though to be fare they had few alternatives at the time)
It really just shows that every organized belief system, even when so utterly dedicated to pascifism can be subverted by its followers to justify any cause[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was more or less talking about something like the Crusades. Massive wars focused around or motivated by religion. I guess with Buddhism it was always just more militant and not really full-blown compared to Abrahamic religions.
I think one of the reasons why Buddhism gets a lot more mainstream acceptance is because of stereotypical pop culture representations of Buddhist monks, and the story of the Buddha himself.
Crazy how some of those details can be skimmed over like that. History is written by the victors, I guess.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48640326]He effectively wants China to give Tibet a region similar to Hong Kong, but wants to enforce a theocrat government based around a Buddhist Monarchy. He also wants the power to effectively have people executed for going against the monarchy, rebuild the serf system used by Tibet previously, and enforce a class system which would effectively put monks at the highest ranks of society while making anyone who is not a monk at the bottom of society.
In otherwords, Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man.[/QUOTE]
Can I get sources on some of this? Because all I've heard the Dalai Lama say is stuff that's pro-democracy and about how Tibet's government prior to China's invasion was a big mistake.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48642930]Also, buddhists in Myanmar are oppressing a slaughtering Muslims all the time.[/QUOTE]
"All the time" as in one incident years ago that was a response to violence against Buddhists in the area?
Every quote I can find from the dalai lama encourages a democratic governance.
"Even prior to my departure from Tibet in March 1959, I had come to the conclusion that in the changing circumstances of the modern world, the system of governance in Tibet must be modified and amended so as to allow the elected representatives of the people to play a more effective role in guiding and shaping the social and economic policies of the State. I also firmly believed that this could only be done through democratic institutions based on social and economic justice"
I mean he could just be REALLY good at lying through his teeth, but I have yet to find any credibile source, or any source in general showing he wants to re-establish a theocracy and feudal kingdom.
Wait so did the current Dalai do something bad or the one before? I don't understand.
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