US shootings by police, prison conditions trouble UN - Polidicks

[QUOTE]GENEVA — A U.N. anti-torture panel that is investigating the United States said Friday it was deeply concerned by what it described as the high incidence of police brutality and shootings — especially against African-Americans — in the U.S., was troubled by what it called harsh conditions in many prisons and was worried about the interrogation methods used on detainees. The experts on the United Nations panel called for declassifying evidence of torture by the U.S. — in particular Guantanamo Bay detainees' accounts — and declassifying and promptly releasing, with minimal redactions, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's report about the CIA's secret detention and interrogation program. [/QUOTE] [url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-shootings-by-police-prison-conditions-trouble-un/ar-BBg6VEw]Source[/url]

And nothing will happen.

Torture/Gitmo: by all means, investigate please; we'd all like to hear more about what's going on Police Officers shooting people: this is mostly about Ferguson, isn't it? Of course since this is the UN we're talking about here, none of this means a fucking thing.

[quote]deeply concerned[/quote] Damn, that's like UN DEFCON 1 next thing you know they'll start proposing acts to begin finding funding for operations to investigate the possibility of finding evidence to justify their concern

The UN: "Hey I would appreciate if you didn't--" The US: "Fuck off bro" "O-oh...o-o-okay sorry for asking"

[QUOTE=zombays;46599996]The UN: "Hey I would appreciate if you didn't--" The US: "Fuck off bro" "O-oh...o-o-okay sorry for asking"[/QUOTE] Yea, and then you wonder why the UN is powerless against other countries as well. North Korea, Israel, Russia, etc.

Next they will write an angry letter written in red ink, RED.

[QUOTE=Angus725;46600017]Yea, and then you wonder why the UN is powerless against other countries as well. North Korea, Israel, Russia, etc.[/QUOTE] maybe the UN as a legislative body is one of the worst ideas in the history of mankind anyway

[QUOTE=Sector 7;46600050]maybe the UN as a legislative body is one of the worst ideas in the history of mankind anyway[/QUOTE] It's literally just a modern League of Nations, and we all know how pathetic that was.

itd be cool if the un launched a full investigation into us police shootings and prison conditions but you know... its the un

[QUOTE=CQRPSE;46600100]itd be cool if the un launched a full investigation into us police shootings and prison conditions but you know... its the un[/QUOTE] It would be cool if the UN had literally any power whatsoever, maybe shit would actually change for the better in the world. Maybe.

The structure of the UN security council tells all. UN is only a organization to encourage countries to use diplomacy before military force. It never had any real power. In other words, [t]http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/The+un+right+now_b23b56_5041017.gif[/t] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

I'm not sure if the UN not trying to be the World Police in every possible situation is a bad thing.

What they want us to do? Disarm the police? In a country that has more guns per capita than any other country in the world by almost double?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46600343]What they want us to do? Disarm the police? In a country that has more guns per capita than any other country in the world by almost double?[/QUOTE] They don't want anyone to do anything. It's just a bunch of useless grey-haired bureaucrat fuckwads jumping on the social-current-event-bandwagon and patting themselves on the back for it.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46600343]What they want us to do? Disarm the police? In a country that has more guns per capita than any other country in the world by almost double?[/QUOTE] Well to be fair we don't need that many guns and we don't need the police as heavily armed as they are.

[QUOTE=Plattack;46601134]Well to be fair we don't need that many guns and we don't need the police as heavily armed as they are.[/QUOTE] I'd disagree but that's a different topic all itself. The UN is also seeing a cherry picked perspective of crime in our country rather than looking at the whole picture. All police departments need to get those damn camera systems working already, if they have the budget for tons of surplus gear they can afford some servers and cameras for each officer.

[QUOTE=Angus725;46600017]Yea, and then you wonder why the UN is powerless against other countries as well. North Korea, Israel, Russia, etc.[/QUOTE] Praise lord UN, why has thou foresaken us???? Seriously the way people refer to the UN here as omnipresent force that's supposed to have power over the world, you'd think they'd have forgotten that the UN is just a world forum and only has as much power as member states put into it

[QUOTE=proch;46600275]I'm not sure if the UN not trying to be the World Police in every possible situation is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] the purpose of the UN is to encourage powerful countries to talk it over before they jump to military action, and in that way prevent a repeat of World War II and eventually patch things up between powerhouses. if you want a proactive multinational force of dudes to strafe places with jet-fighters and kick people's doors down then the UN definitely isn't your kind of racket

The UN is such a fucking joke.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46599948]And nothing will happen.[/QUOTE] because nothing needs to happen, everything is fine as is.

[QUOTE=Plattack;46601134]Well to be fair we don't need that many guns and we don't need the police as heavily armed as they are.[/QUOTE] Police militarization is the most over hyped r/politics tier type of headline that has had the misfortune of catching on. I seriously don't get how our police are too heavily armed, I've never in all my interactions with them seen them carry anything besides their sidearms for routine stops. As for shotguns/assault rifles, I'd much rather they have them for when they need them than keep a few peoples feelings unhurt and their paranoia in check.

Does nobody know what the UN is meant for. The UN isn't the new legislative body of the planet Earth, they're not [I]meant[/I] to have any real power. Their purpose is to foster cooperation, not throw their weight around and actually try to force change. That'd be idiotic, it'd have died decades ago if that was even the case.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;46601350]Police militarization is the most over hyped r/politics tier type of headline that has had the misfortune of catching on. I seriously don't get how our police are too heavily armed, I've never in all my interactions with them seen them carry anything besides their sidearms for routine stops. As for shotguns/assault rifles, I'd much rather they have them for when they need them than keep a few peoples feelings unhurt and their paranoia in check.[/QUOTE] Exactly fucking this. Call me when the standard patrol gear is full body armor and an assault rifle, maybe then I'll get worried about police militarization. I've literally never seen a police officer with anything besides a sidearm and a uniform. Right now? what they call "militarization" is just the proper gear for the situations that come up. Sometimes it feels like the anti "militarization" people would rather SWAT teams have tazers and glocks instead of shotguns and rifles (And then get shot to death because the crazy redneck who's threatening to blow his wife's head off has a shotgun, and they have jack shit).

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46601438]Exactly fucking this. Call me when the standard patrol gear is full body armor and an assault rifle, maybe then I'll get worried about police militarization. I've literally never seen a police officer with anything besides a sidearm and a uniform. Right now? what they call "militarization" is just the proper gear for the situations that come up. Sometimes it feels like the anti "militarization" people would rather SWAT teams have tazers and glocks instead of shotguns and rifles (And then get shot to death because the crazy redneck who's threatening to blow his wife's head off has a shotgun, and they have jack shit).[/QUOTE] For shits and giggles, to get people really worked up, we drive around in our MRAPs and Tanks one day a year and perform standard patrol duties. If that doesnt get them going, we come out in full body armor (including helmet), with 7.62 rifles with reflex sights and just start shooting people in the legs

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46601438]Exactly fucking this. Call me when the standard patrol gear is full body armor and an assault rifle, maybe then I'll get worried about police militarization. I've literally never seen a police officer with anything besides a sidearm and a uniform. Right now? what they call "militarization" is just the proper gear for the situations that come up. Sometimes it feels like the anti "militarization" people would rather SWAT teams have tazers and glocks instead of shotguns and rifles (And then get shot to death because the crazy redneck who's threatening to blow his wife's head off has a shotgun, and they have jack shit).[/QUOTE] The militarization isn't about cops carrying AR15's around. The militarization is about how SWAT teams have exploded in size and frequency of use. SWAT teams weren't nearly as common in the past as they now are, even though violent crime has been decreasing year after year for over a decade and it's at an all-time low. It's not at all about cops carrying scarier weapons - it's about heavily-militarized SWAT teams rolling up in APCs with heavy weaponry and full body armor to no-knock arrest somebody who's growing marijuana in their garage. It's very much related to the drug war, and it's a disproportionate response to a non-violent crime. I totally agree that police need SWAT teams for certain situations, but they're incredibly overused in situations that absolutely do not require them.

Something needs to be done about the for-profit prisons we seem to have so many of.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;46601350] I seriously don't get how our police are too heavily armed, I've never in all my interactions with them seen them carry anything besides their sidearms for routine stops. As for shotguns/assault rifles, I'd much rather they have them for when they need them than keep a few peoples feelings unhurt and their paranoia in check.[/QUOTE] I've seen dozens of people complaining about police militarization, some of them have photos of cops in light vests and riot helmets, and one of them was of the national guard troops. People are fucking stupid. I remember during the first day they were complaining about the civilian armoured trucks that the police have had since forever, meanwhile buildings are burning and there's sporadic gunfire. And what other option is there, do they want to go back to how we did things before SWAT? Because you know what we did then? We just handed out submachine guns to beat cops whenever something bad happened: [img]http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/09/26/springfield_10-84a81a506adc999702732b7bf75d1203fa115350-s6-c30.jpg[/img] Yeah that's so preferable to trained and dedicated tactical teams. Also fun-fact: back then it was acceptable for an officer to shoot a fleeing suspect. That's better right? And why the fuck is the UN taking Brown's side? This shit is starting to resemble that South Park episode where Cartman hid at Token's house because "black people are somehow incapable of doing something wrong".

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46601777]And why the fuck is the UN taking Brown's side? This shit is starting to resemble that South Park episode where Cartman hid at Token's house because "black people are somehow incapable of doing something wrong".[/QUOTE] so this is a weird aside but has south park actually made the nazi sociopath character into its new mouthpiece or was there some satire you missed out on. genuinely curious i haven't watched it in a while

[QUOTE=.Isak.;46601611]The militarization isn't about cops carrying AR15's around. The militarization is about how SWAT teams have exploded in size and frequency of use. SWAT teams weren't nearly as common in the past as they now are, even though violent crime has been decreasing year after year for over a decade and it's at an all-time low. It's not at all about cops carrying scarier weapons - it's about heavily-militarized SWAT teams rolling up in APCs with heavy weaponry and full body armor to no-knock arrest somebody who's growing marijuana in their garage. It's very much related to the drug war, and it's a disproportionate response to a non-violent crime. I totally agree that police need SWAT teams for certain situations, but they're incredibly overused in situations that absolutely do not require them.[/QUOTE] And then you get situation where SWAT raid a house unnessecarily and throw a flash bang into a crib.