MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle Falsely Claims ‘An Assault Rifle is Different Than a Gun’ - General

[media]https://youtu.be/g7cWg8auBss[/media] And this is why people can't take left-wing pundits seriously on guns.

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An automatic rifle [B]is[/B] a [B]gun[/B]. It is different than a hunting rifle in the caliber of weapon ammunition and the rate of fire capable, which obviously is higher. It’s obvious most (if not all) of the people in that discussion have little to no experience with firearms. I’m not saying you should have years of weapons training to be qualified to have a discussion on this topic, but for fuck’s sake you can’t start stating false crap like “an AR is different than a gun” and expect any opinion after to be taken seriously. Do your research people.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52872583][media]https://youtu.be/g7cWg8auBss[/media] And this is why people can't take left-wing pundits seriously on guns.[/QUOTE] Because "people" generalize?

[QUOTE=Tudd;52872583] And this is why people can't take left-wing pundits seriously on guns.[/QUOTE] If they don't bother to do their research,why speak on a topic you know nothing about.They just end up looking like idiots.

I think the reason they can't get anything done is strictly because they are so ignorant to the topic in the first place. It's like being in grade 2 and going up against a grade 8 in a spelling contest. You just end up looking stupid. I'm not pro gun but when you start unintelligibly making sweeping statements and declaring facts that aren't legitimate while talking about repealing an amendment, you are never going to look good.

God damn, talk about general stupidity. Love it when people are so quickly to give up their rights and speak on behalf of others.

[QUOTE=MR-X;52873013]God damn, talk about general stupidity. Love it when people are so quickly to give up their rights and speak on behalf of others.[/QUOTE] Or when they demand other people give up rights just because they themselves don't use them - it's easy to say "remove all x" if you don't have any x and aren't interested in x

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52872950]I think the reason they can't get anything done is strictly because they are so ignorant to the topic in the first place. It's like being in grade 2 and going up against a grade 8 in a spelling contest. You just end up looking stupid. I'm not pro gun but when you start unintelligibly making sweeping statements and declaring facts that aren't legitimate while talking about repealing an amendment, you are never going to look good.[/QUOTE] Who is "they"

[QUOTE=Killuah;52873191]Who is "they"[/QUOTE] Kind of a dumb question, aint it?

It's pretty clear what kind of distinction she meant. She goes on to make the comparison between a hunter and a person who owns an assault rifle.

What the hell is the point of this discussion if all 3 people appear to believe the exact same thing? Seriously they're all saying the exact same goddamn thing but framing it as an argument. [editline]12th November 2017[/editline] Also bringing up The Onion on a professional news network is kind of really baffling.

I think my IQ dropped a few points watching that.

[QUOTE=Paramud;52881442]It's pretty clear what kind of distinction she meant. She goes on to make the comparison between a hunter and a person who owns an assault rifle.[/QUOTE] Very few people in America own assult rifles seeing as their manufacture for civilian sale has been banned since 1986.

[QUOTE=download;52881682]Very few people in America own assult rifles seeing as their manufacture for civilian sale has been banned since 1986.[/QUOTE] Additionally, any similar modern rifle such as the AR-15 is really no more dangerous to the populous than say a semi-auto hunting rifle. Both shit out bullets at the rate you pull the trigger but apparently only the ones not clad in wood are the scary ones.

[QUOTE=Killuah;52873191]Who is "they"[/QUOTE] Perhaps you can tell us?

I completely disagree with her overall argument and I'm a little blindsided by the guys leading argument being "This is why we should repeal the second amendment". But she isn't saying that an assault rifle is literally not a gun, she is implying one of them is way outside what the normal protections for a firearm should be.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52881802]I completely disagree with her overall argument and I'm a little blindsided by the guys leading argument being "This is why we should repeal the second amendment". But she isn't saying that an assault rifle is literally not a gun, she is implying one of them is way outside what the normal protections for a firearm should be.[/QUOTE] That's being overtly generous to a person who still clearly doesn't understand firearms even with that gimme.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52881857]That's being overtly generous to a person who still clearly doesn't understand firearms even with that gimme.[/QUOTE] I'm only being generous by not cutting out the part where she differentiates between an assault rifle and a hunting enthusiast? The argument being made is that an assault rifle shouldn't fall under the types of protections that "a gun" that a "hunting enthusiast" would use. The pro-2nd guy on the right goes on to say he knows numerous Obama voters with assault rifles then corrects himself. When are you having a conversation like this you just use colloquial terms. Like really whats the argument here, that the anchor is a dumb liberal who thinks assault rifles propel bullets using the power of white supremacy? She obviously understands that assault rifles are guns, she just doesn't think hunting enthusiasts (and presumably average Americans) should have them. [editline]12th November 2017[/editline] The real noteworthy aspect of this video is that you have someone who believes the 2nd amendment should be out right repealed, someone who calls a semi-automatic sporting rifle an "assault rifle" no less. But no lets try and pretend an adult woman doesn't understand that an assault rifle is technically type of gun :downs:

[QUOTE=Tudd;52881857]That's being overtly generous to a person who still clearly doesn't understand firearms even with that gimme.[/QUOTE] You're taking things literally just to call someone stupid because they're on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

The car argument isn't that good, because you only need a license to drive on state operated roads, if it's a private closed road you can drive. You don't need a license to buy a car, just one to drive it home. Carry licenses is pretty much the same thing. If you don't want to carry your car home with you in a giant steel box but instead put your car in a holster at your hip you gotta have a license for it.

[QUOTE=Lizzrd;52882251]The car argument isn't that good, because you only need a license to drive on state operated roads, if it's a private closed road you can drive. You don't need a license to buy a car, just one to drive it home. Carry licenses is pretty much the same thing. If you don't want to carry your car home with you in a giant steel box but instead put your car in a holster at your hip you gotta have a license for it.[/QUOTE] Even if that wasn't true it's still a dumb argument because it's wholly too easy to get a drivers license and bad drivers kill a lot of people as a result, but you don't see anyone calling for change in that because, gasp, they actually need to drive. Anti-gun arguments like this boil down to fearmongering and "I don't need this so you don't either" mentalities.

When I go dear hunting, I need a sub machine gun because I can't aim a normal gun properly.

I hate to be that guy, but under some classifications guns are mounted artillery whereas firearms are the things you carry. Atleast, that's how I understand it works under the Canadian structure.

[QUOTE=Paramud;52881442]It's pretty clear what kind of distinction she meant. She goes on to make the comparison between a hunter and a person who owns an assault rifle.[/QUOTE] Hunters are worse, of the two. If you go hunt and eat the animal, or the specific animal that's being hunted is an actual problem to the environment due to over population, I don't really have a problem with it. But people go out just to do it for sport. Fuck those people. There's some sort of mental issue with people who want to kill animals for fun I'll take a thousand people with AR-15's that shoot targets every weekend over one of those Furthermore, I'd argue that AR-15's are not as deadly as handguns. Handguns are cheaper, you can conceal them easily, and even 9mm rounds are fatter than .223/5.56, and also much slower which makes the wounds they cause worse, and they fire at the same rate of fire. Less than 1% of people killed by guns are killed by something other than a handgun because of these reasons. The only thing the rifle has over the handguns is range. Not even magazine capacity

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52883566]Furthermore, I'd argue that AR-15's are not as deadly as handguns.[/QUOTE] Before I go on with this tangent, I'd like to point out that this basically agrees with my post. They are, in fact, different. Moving on, the issue with gun control is not whether or not any weapon is deadlier than any other weapon. A car can be more deadly than any gun in the right context. A person armed with a blade could kill more effectively than a person armed with a gun, given the right person and situation. It's not about that. It's about what precautions we should take when providing people with those means, and some would even ask if we should at all.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52883566] Furthermore, I'd argue that AR-15's are not as deadly as handguns. Handguns are cheaper, you can conceal them easily, and even 9mm rounds are fatter than .223/5.56, and also much slower which makes the wounds they cause worse, and they fire at the same rate of fire.[/QUOTE] No.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52883566]Hunters are worse, of the two. If you go hunt and eat the animal, or the specific animal that's being hunted is an actual problem to the environment due to over population, I don't really have a problem with it. But people go out just to do it for sport. Fuck those people. There's some sort of mental issue with people who want to kill animals for fun I'll take a thousand people with AR-15's that shoot targets every weekend over one of those[/QUOTE] That's horrifically insulting to the vast majority of hunters. Hunting and fishing is regulated and licensed and that money goes to the state and wildlife conservatories. If you are hunting for sport you are directly helping your state and the continuation of the fish and wildlife services while also doing a service to keep local populations down. Keeping your meat or taking a trophy is nice too. Deer are grossly overpopulated in the eastern United States because they have no natural predators anymore and LOTS of delicious gardens and farms to snack on. They are absolutely out of control. And there are less hunters out there than there used to be, leading to even more overpopulation. There needs to be [b]more[/b] people out there hunting for sport to help this problem. Not to mention there's a difference between gunning down bunnies with an uzi and actual tracking and hunting. There are laws and seasons for what you can hunt with, if you go bird hunting with a saiga you are going to get your shit destroyed by a game warden. It's a primeval experience humans have been doing for thousands and thousands of years. People who hunt and fish aren't sadistic psychopaths.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52883566]Hunters are worse, of the two. If you go hunt and eat the animal, or the specific animal that's being hunted is an actual problem to the environment due to over population, I don't really have a problem with it. But people go out just to do it for sport. Fuck those people. There's some sort of mental issue with people who want to kill animals for fun I'll take a thousand people with AR-15's that shoot targets every weekend over one of those Furthermore, I'd argue that AR-15's are not as deadly as handguns. Handguns are cheaper, you can conceal them easily, and even 9mm rounds are fatter than .223/5.56, and also much slower which makes the wounds they cause worse, and they fire at the same rate of fire. Less than 1% of people killed by guns are killed by something other than a handgun because of these reasons. The only thing the rifle has over the handguns is range. Not even magazine capacity[/QUOTE] I go fishing for fun and sometimes the fish go nad before I can eat them, does that make me a bad person?