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[quote]How much computer can you buy for $200? With the rise of Chromebooks, it's become an increasingly important question in the hardware world, particularly for Microsoft, but not all of the new hardware is running ChromeOS. Today at CES, Hewlett Packard unveiled a new take on the question, with two mini PCs designed to compete with the rising tide of Chrome hardware. Going on sale January 14th, the machines offer a Windows-based alternative to the new wave of cheap Chromebooks and Chromeboxes, supplementing local storage and processing power with the ever-growing power of the cloud.
At $180, the Stream mini is the cheaper of the two, offering just just 2GB of RAM and a 32GB hard drive, powered by an Intel Celeron chip. Since there isn't much room for local storage, the Stream also comes with a two-year subscription to Microsoft's OneDrive cloud storage service, which will let users keep an extra 200 GB remotely. For $320, the Pavilion mini boasts a more powerful processor, an extra 2GB of ram and a full 500GB of local storage. Both use the same simple design: a few USB ports and a power button on the front, with display ports and an audio jack on the back, allowing for an unusually inconspicuous shell. The machines also get by on just 45 watts of power each, a little less than your average lightbulb.[/quote]
[url]http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7493495/hp-stream-mini-pavilion-mini-CES-2015[/url]
HP hasn't been relevant since before the Touchpad.
i like the idea of small low cost/low power pcs but really couldn they fit something larger than a 32gb hdd into these things. yeah, the cloud stuff is cool and all but really having dedicated local storage would be a llot handier
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;46862058]Has HP got the hang of thermal design yet?[/QUOTE]
I thought they were trying their hand at making space heaters that doubled up as computers?
[QUOTE=CQRPSE;46862070]i like the idea of small low cost/low power pcs but really couldn they fit something larger than a 32gb hdd into these things. yeah, the cloud stuff is cool and all but really having dedicated local storage would be a llot handier[/QUOTE]
Most likely a 32 gig SSD. Though you're right, you can have a 1TB hdd for the same price, maybe $20 more.
32GB hard drive? Is that enough?
Windows 7 would consume almost the entire hard drive. Not sure about Win8 or 10.
[QUOTE=darunner;46862128]Windows 7 would consume almost the entire hard drive. Not sure about Win8 or 10.[/QUOTE]
Same deal.
[QUOTE=darunner;46862128]Windows 7 would consume almost the entire hard drive. Not sure about Win8 or 10.[/QUOTE]
Windows 8 requires 16gb or 20gb for the 32 and 64 bit versions respectively. Windows 10 will have the same requirements as Windows 8, apparently.
Sounds like a fair alternative to light end-users who just check emails/web-browsing/etc.
I could say its a inconspicuous size perfect for guest pcs in public places, but then again there are more secure, cheaper, reliable options out there for that application (i.e. RasPi)
[QUOTE=Crash155;46862123]32GB hard drive? Is that enough?[/QUOTE]
Since there isn't much room for local storage, the Stream also comes with a two-year subscription to Microsoft's OneDrive cloud storage service, which will let users keep an extra 200 GB remotely.
[QUOTE=Freakie;46862180]Since there isn't much room for local storage, the Stream also comes with a two-year subscription to Microsoft's OneDrive cloud storage service, which will let users keep an extra 200 GB remotely.[/QUOTE]
So if the internet goes down, I don't get access to my stuff. Awesome.
[QUOTE=Omali;46862162]Windows 8 requires 16gb or 20gb for the 32 and 64 bit versions respectively. Windows 10 will have the same requirements as Windows 8, apparently.[/QUOTE]
My 64bit 8.1 Windows folder is 26GB. That's like 6GB free which will quickly get filled up by page file or cache. Unless they have some special stripped windows on those machines. 32GB space on a computer is not comfortable at all. What can you even do on a computer with so little space left? Can't use it for media unless you watch SD quality. Maybe browse internet but you might as well use your phone for that, much better experience and no need for a new device.
You'd be surprised at how little data an average user actually has. With W8.1 fully up to date at ~20gb that still leaves enough room for many users.
[editline]5th January 2015[/editline]
My 8.1 Pro install is 19.7gb fully up to date.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46862203]So if the internet goes down, I don't get access to my stuff. Awesome.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention cloud stuff isn't intuitive to use unless you have a local cache which defeats the whole purpose.
Maybe I'm missing somethimg here but it has two USB 3.0 ports. I don't see how the 32 GB SSD is an issue. Just buy a cheap 2 TB external drive and its good. They are cheap small form factor PCs. You have to have compromises somewhere.
[QUOTE=Demache;46862278]Maybe I'm missing somethimg here but it has two USB 3.0 ports. I don't see how the 32 GB SSD is an issue. Just buy a cheap 2 TB external drive and its good. They are cheap small form factor PCs. You have to have compromises somewhere.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather have a 32gb SSD than a 1tb 5900rpm WD Green.
[QUOTE=Demache;46862278]Maybe I'm missing somethimg here but it has two USB 3.0 ports. I don't see how the 32 GB SSD is an issue. Just buy a cheap 2 TB external drive and its good. They are cheap small form factor PCs. You have to have compromises somewhere.[/QUOTE]
People seem to be forgetting who and what these sorts of PCs are for. These are meant to be competitors to the Chromebooks. Even if you only have 5 or 6 GB of space left on the SSD, the students who are using them would be able to save, like, a million word documents and spreadsheets and still have USB sticks and the cloud available for secondary and tertiary backups. These are cheap computers designed to cater to non-technical students and people who only really use the computer to go on Facebook.
[editline]5th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46862203]So if the internet goes down, I don't get access to my stuff. Awesome.[/QUOTE]
If you were using that service as the backup service like it really is, do you honestly think that if the internet went down right now there would be a scenario in which you need the photos from Aunt Gertrude's birthday party or school projects from three years ago [I]right now[/I]?
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46862203]So if the internet goes down, I don't get access to my stuff. Awesome.[/QUOTE]
It's also not appealing to people like myself who are hit hard by shit internet speed and companies who have data limits
Which is an instant turn off to most markets, the only thing cloud storage is useful to me and to most of the people around me are storing spreadsheets and word documents
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46862203]So if the internet goes down, I don't get access to my stuff. Awesome.[/QUOTE]
And if the internet isn't down, you have 200GB more than you would otherwise have. Awesome.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;46862076]I thought they were trying their hand at making space heaters that doubled up as computers?[/QUOTE]
The problem is that they DON'T know how to make heaters, seeing as a lot of the energy never leaves the device itself
I remember the brand new HP Athlon II X2 laptop a friend of mine got from his school, after about 10 minutes of idling, the cpu had crawled up to 70 Celsius
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;46862203]So if the internet goes down, I don't get access to my stuff. Awesome.[/QUOTE]
The target audience is not intending to do any serious work offline. I have no interest in a Chromebook but I understand the appeal, it's for office-type work (writing Word documents, browsing/posting to the Internet, maybe even light web dev) in an Internet-enabled environment like a college or business campus.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46862224]Maybe browse internet but you might as well use your phone for that, much better experience and no need for a new device.[/QUOTE]
Good lord, I would not have wanted to go through college and business trips relying on a smartphone for Internet browsing.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46862224]Maybe browse internet but you might as well use your phone for that, much better experience and no need for a new device.[/QUOTE]
I think a tablet would be better suited for that.
It's cute. I'd like it if it wasn't for the fact that I mostly use my computer for gaming so I need, y'know, more.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46862224]Maybe browse internet but you might as well use your phone for that, much better experience and no need for a new device.[/QUOTE]
You ever try browsing the internet on an Android device?
I can't speak for apple users but browsing the internet on a phone is so fucking frustrating, clunky, and annoying.
[QUOTE=redBadger;46862484]You ever try browsing the internet on an Android device?
I can't speak for apple users but browsing the internet on a phone is so fucking frustrating, clunky, and annoying.[/QUOTE]
50% of the time, a website's "mobile-friendly" version is so much shittier than the desktop version that it's just frustrating. I use my phone browser for quick searches and that's really about it.
The HP Stream laptops sold like fucking crazy during the holidays because they were so cheap. They're modern netbooks to compete with the Chromebooks, and this is just their answer to the Chromebox.
Doesn't help that they happen to be makers of both, by the way.
I use my phone quite a bit for browsing, but I often just request the desktop site.
seems like it's trying to corner the chromebook market
but windows is bloated as fuck and it seems like nothing more than a facebook machine
For the most part, but so are chromebooks. Plus 8 runs lighter than 7, so 2gb RAM is definitely usable for basic use.
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