2018 Ford F-250 Death Wobble - Dealership Tells A Man His Truck Isn't Designed To Go Over 65 MPH! - General

[video=youtube;e9_XdFq6DPk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9_XdFq6DPk[/video] God damn, what a piece of shit.

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Wouldn't an off-balance wheel do this? Either way the dealership is just being a dealership. Doing what they do best which is nothing.

I don't see the issue here, it's just Michael J. Fox driving his new Ford.

"Not designed to be a race car" Yeah because going the lowest speed limit on any highway is "racing". Ford should be held liable if it's true their car cannot, by default, drive highway speeds because I'm pretty sure cars need to be able to do that reliably.

Wow, I seriously thought this kind of shit was illegal, it's been a long time since road vehicles could be released with an "Unsafe for highway use" rating.

Seems more like a defect with this particular truck itself and not the entire 250 series. Also fucks sake learn to hold a camera. [editline]6th January 2018[/editline] Also this is a 2017 model, not a 2018. A related video shows some other guy driving what seems to be the same car. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHbuO1WUuxk[/media]

[QUOTE=redBadger;53030540]Seems more like a defect with this particular truck itself and not the entire 250 series. Also fucks sake learn to hold a camera.[/QUOTE] I find it hard to believe Ford would send out one of their flagship pickups with an issue this glaring, it's obviously an individual issue and the dealership is trying to not pay for their colossal fuckup.

My 92 Cherokee does this when I hit a bump on a certain bridge near my house. It never fails. I just slow down to make it stop and continue going. Something to do with coil springs. To just start doing it after you reach 65 mph is terrifying because I know when a vehicle does this it's hard to control. Especially vehicles with more play in the steering.

This is so obviously a defect in that individual truck that I'm shocked the title isn't "Dealership Spews Some Bullshit About a Truck"

[QUOTE=Renderman;53030578]My 92 Cherokee does this when I hit a bump on a certain bridge near my house. It never fails. I just slow down to make it stop and continue going. Something to do with coil springs. To just start doing it after you reach 65 mph is terrifying because I know when a vehicle does this it's hard to control. Especially vehicles with more play in the steering.[/QUOTE] Let me guess, it doesn't have a anti-roll bar, presumably deleted to improve offroading capabilities, and it jiggles sideways?

[QUOTE=Renderman;53030578]My 92 Cherokee does this when I hit a bump on a certain bridge near my house. It never fails. I just slow down to make it stop and continue going. Something to do with coil springs. To just start doing it after you reach 65 mph is terrifying because I know when a vehicle does this it's hard to control. Especially vehicles with more play in the steering.[/QUOTE] Maybe you're experiencing bumpsteer? Depends on your suspension. This video is definitely of unbalanced tires and a god awful alignment.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53030515]"Not designed to be a race car" Yeah because going the lowest speed limit on any highway is "racing". Ford should be held liable if it's true their car cannot, by default, drive highway speeds because I'm pretty sure cars need to be able to do that reliably.[/QUOTE] You guys are falling for some pretty blatant misinformation without really checking into it at all

[QUOTE=Renderman;53030578]My 92 Cherokee does this when I hit a bump on a certain bridge near my house. It never fails. I just slow down to make it stop and continue going. Something to do with coil springs. To just start doing it after you reach 65 mph is terrifying because I know when a vehicle does this it's hard to control. Especially vehicles with more play in the steering.[/QUOTE] I have a 95 Cherokee which did the exact same thing when hitting bumps at speed. [b]Check your tire pressure.[/b] Mine was low, and after I pumped the tires back up to spec, the wobbling stopped.

[QUOTE=Renderman;53030578]My 92 Cherokee does this when I hit a bump on a certain bridge near my house. It never fails. I just slow down to make it stop and continue going. Something to do with coil springs. To just start doing it after you reach 65 mph is terrifying because I know when a vehicle does this it's hard to control. Especially vehicles with more play in the steering.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;53030701]I have a 95 Cherokee which did the exact same thing when hitting bumps at speed. [b]Check your tire pressure.[/b] Mine was low, and after I pumped the tires back up to spec, the wobbling stopped.[/QUOTE] This is the iconic jeep death wobble typically caused by bad caster alignment. People always get it in their heads that it's the stabilizer bar (not the way bar), or tires, or tire pressure, or another part of the suspension - all those really do is make the issue more obvious as they begin to wear. It's ALWAYS due to bad caster with those jeeps, typically after being lifted and not correctly aligned after.

The stealership could have come up with a better excuse at least... I don't think theres a single car today that isn't designed to at least reach 120km/h.

at work we've modified a 250 with lpg and it can do that fine lol

my first guess is that the truck has a bad tire or an unbalanced wheel

NA Miatas sometimes had death wobble issues as well. Or as some people call it, the "65mph shimmy". Almost aways because the balancing is off. They are extra sensitive to tire balancing, so you really need Hunter Road Force balancing to eliminate it. Although I swear it wasn't until I got a hardtop and rollbar that it 100% went away. Before then it was just like 20-30% of the time. And at worst it was just an uncomfortable annoyance. Fuck this dealershit for spewing out nonsense. Even the slowest and shittiest cars, like the Mitsubishi Mirage, can go 90-100mph without an insane effort, and without a death wobble (pending decent tire balancing). No modern car is design to only just go the speed limit; they often can go twice the legal limit and then slow down without spontaneously combusting.

Stealerships doing what they do best, doubt its a fleet wide issue. Ford and most auto companies are pretty good about being on top of this sort of stuff, a recall would of been issued if it was widespread.

[QUOTE=Adelle Zhu;53030490]Wouldn't an off-balance wheel do this? Either way the dealership is just being a dealership. Doing what they do best which is nothing.[/QUOTE] That's exactly the problem lmao.

[QUOTE=Adelle Zhu;53030490]Wouldn't an off-balance wheel do this? Either way the dealership is just being a dealership. Doing what they do best which is nothing.[/QUOTE] No. What's happening here is a positive feedback loop wherein a vibration...say, from transitioning onto a bridge...combines with vehicle speed, mass of the tires, gyroscopic forces of the tires, play in the steering system, and the power steering system itself, to cause this. It isn't unique to just this truck, Jeeps of all vintages are HORRIBLE about death wobbles if you even think of putting larger tires on them and/or get some miles on them, but it happens to pretty much anything that has a solid front axle(Which F250s to this day still have if you order them with 4WD) if the right conditions converge. Can happen to IFS systems as well but they're more resistant to it. It's cured by fitting a steering stabilizer, which is literally just a shock absorber that's tuned to negate the resonance that's causing this, making sure the alignment and geometry of the suspension parts are set properly, and by making sure there's no excessive play in the steering system. [editline]6th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Kabstrac;53031369]I've heard of other year f250s doing this badly from mechanics in my area, but hard to know if it's a design flaw, a lemon, or needing adjustment/maintenance.[/QUOTE] Can happen quite easily to any pickup or SUV with a solid axle if things aren't just so.

[QUOTE=TestECull;53031571]No. What's happening here is a positive feedback loop wherein a vibration...say, from transitioning onto a bridge...combines with vehicle speed, mass of the tires, gyroscopic forces of the tires, play in the steering system, and the power steering system itself, to cause this. It isn't unique to just this truck, Jeeps of all vintages are HORRIBLE about death wobbles if you even think of putting larger tires on them and/or get some miles on them, but it happens to pretty much anything that has a solid front axle(Which F250s to this day still have if you order them with 4WD) if the right conditions converge. Can happen to IFS systems as well but they're more resistant to it. [B]It's cured by fitting a steering stabilizer, which is literally just a shock absorber that's tuned to negate the resonance that's causing this, making sure the alignment and geometry of the suspension parts are set properly, and by making sure there's no excessive play in the steering system.[/B] [editline]6th January 2018[/editline] Can happen quite easily to any pickup or SUV with a solid axle if things aren't just so.[/QUOTE] Not true. The stabilizer masks the problem, it doesn't fix it.

Can Ford sue this dealership for giving their truck a bad reputation?

[QUOTE=Renderman;53030578]My 92 Cherokee does this when I hit a bump on a certain bridge near my house. It never fails. I just slow down to make it stop and continue going. Something to do with coil springs. To just start doing it after you reach 65 mph is terrifying because I know when a vehicle does this it's hard to control. Especially vehicles with more play in the steering.[/QUOTE] I got a 99 Cherokee and it doesn't do this when I hit any bumps at any speed. It's lifted and got big wheels aswell

Stupid shit like this is why I really wish we could evolve past the dealership model.

[QUOTE=Saxon;53031503]Stealerships doing what they do best, doubt its a fleet wide issue. Ford and most auto companies are pretty good about being on top of this sort of stuff, a recall would of been issued if it was widespread.[/QUOTE] Are you sure? Ford's the company that does shit like avoid recalling vehicles that are pretty much killing their drivers. Instead they send out a little letter saying "ʰᵉʸ ʷᵉ ᶜᵃᶰ ᶠᶦˣ ˢᵒᵐᵉᵗʰᶦᶰᵍ ᶦᶠ ᵘ ʷᶰᵗ." They're offering to repair, but not actually recalling the vehicle. [url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ford-explorer-models-2011-to-2017-center-for-auto-safety-recall-urged/[/url] Or neglecting to put things like a transmission cooler in one of your top end vehicles unless you buy a special edition of it. [url]https://jalopnik.com/shelby-gt350-mustang-owners-suing-ford-over-overheating-1793541621[/url]

[QUOTE=Aetna;53031847]Not true. The stabilizer masks the problem, it doesn't fix it.[/QUOTE] Has death wobble --> install steering stabilizer --> death wobble disappears --> Fixed. It doesn't matter if the system could still resonate and wobble if the speed at which it will do so is so high that the vehicle will never attain it.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;53030624]This is so obviously a defect in that individual truck that I'm shocked the title isn't "Dealership Spews Some Bullshit About a Truck"[/QUOTE] Could be a defect with the whole line under certain situations. Like if a window is down a certain amount. Some cars get really bad vibrations and noises if a side window is down to a certain point, or if both are down, or if both are down and a sunroof is open. I know the mid 90's Eclipse had this issue, as do more recent Buick Veranos. The Eclipse was impossible to drive when it happened Not really a defect as much as aerodynamic oversights

[QUOTE=Van-man;53030653]Let me guess, it doesn't have a anti-roll bar, presumably deleted to improve offroading capabilities, and it jiggles sideways?[/QUOTE] Actually no. No lifting or removal of anything on my jeep. Everything is completely stock. Not the redneck jackasses that ride around here with a 2 foot lift and massive tires and can't even drive in the snow. Recently pulled one of those idiots out of ditch with my jeep. Tire pressure is good. Just checked because of cold temps. Recently put new brakes and got everything aligned and it still does the wobble. Maybe its the bridge? It's nicknamed "The Richard Petty" because it is a curved bridge that takes a steep left turn like in NASCAR after going 70 on a flat straight. It is literally the only place it happens.