[quote]It appears that the faster-than-light neutrino results, announced last September by the OPERA collaboration in Italy, was due to a mistake after all. A bad connection between a GPS unit and a computer may be to blame.
Physicists had detected neutrinos travelling from the CERN laboratory in Geneva to the Gran Sasso laboratory near L'Aquila that appeared to make the trip in about 60 nanoseconds less than light speed. Many other physicists suspected that the result was due to some kind of error, given that it seems at odds with Einstein's special theory of relativity, which says nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. That theory has been vindicated by many experiments over the decades.
According to sources familiar with the experiment, the 60 nanoseconds discrepancy appears to come from a bad connection between a fiber optic cable that connects to the GPS receiver used to correct the timing of the neutrinos' flight and an electronic card in a computer. After tightening the connection and then measuring the time it takes data to travel the length of the fiber, researchers found that the data arrive 60 nanoseconds earlier than assumed. Since this time is subtracted from the overall time of flight, it appears to explain the early arrival of the neutrinos. New data, however, will be needed to confirm this hypothesis.[/quote]
[url=http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html]Source[/url]
"Guys, don't worry, I have results that go against the laws of physics but I'm affirmative that it's not the technology we use." :v:
Knew it was too good to be true. Also would've fucked up most of modern physics, so on the other hand good that we didn't keep refinding this faulty error.
Awww shit. I wanted to believe.
:eng99:
Damn, I actually expected it to be something subtle they forgot to factor in, not just "their shit was busted."
Well that makes a lot more sense
Damn, well there's still a little hope... since this theory is yet to be confirmed.
"New data will be required to confirm this hypothesis".
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34821209]Damn, I actually expected it to be something subtle they forgot to factor in, not just "their shit was busted."[/QUOTE]
That was very unlikely. I think that the people doing the experiments are cautious to check their facts and computations few times before announcing that they apparently broke known laws of physics.
I'd laugh if it now arrived even earlier.
At least the past two years of learning physics isn't all rubbish
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;34821257]That was very unlikely. I think that the people doing the experiments are cautious to check their facts and computations few times before announcing that they apparently broke known laws of physics.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for telling me that CERN physicists are smart I really had no idea.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34821302]Thanks for telling me that CERN physicists are smart I really had no idea.[/QUOTE]
They are? I thought they were crazy Swiss mad scientists with crazy white hairstyles and big spectacles.
told you
Related
[video=youtube;9XjS4I4oQDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XjS4I4oQDY&context=C312ca2bADOEgsToPDskKIhyJr9MDQqypDLwTGSDc_[/video]
[editline]22nd February 2012[/editline]
The big point is that they used GPS to measure it, except GPS is a relativistic system and relies on the speed of light.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34821365]Related
[video=youtube;9XjS4I4oQDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XjS4I4oQDY&context=C312ca2bADOEgsToPDskKIhyJr9MDQqypDLwTGSDc_[/video]
[editline]22nd February 2012[/editline]
The big point is that they used GPS to measure it, except GPS uses quantum physics and the speed of light to work.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the mistake was in the fiber-optic cable.
Awwww man.
I'm sad now. :(
I like the thread title though. :D
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34821365]The big point is that they used GPS to measure it, except GPS is a relativistic system and relies on the speed of light.[/QUOTE]
i'm fairly certain they took that into account
even car satnavs use it
No one should have believed this anyway until it was completely, totally, 100% proven beyond all reasonable doubt (that there were no errors).
Really, if you read the article, they're just saying that it may have been the reason they came up with the results they did. They have no confirmation that it is, its just a hypothesis.
Too bad. But at least they give it another try. Gotta love science.
Eh, we'll find a way.
[QUOTE=Kendra;34821180]
"Guys, don't worry, I have results that go against the laws of physics but I'm affirmative that it's not the technology we use." :v:[/QUOTE]
for the record, they never said that, and even stated that it was probably a flaw in the system
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34821538]Really, if you read the article, they're just saying that it may have been the reason they came up with the results they did. They have no confirmation that it is, its just a hypothesis.[/QUOTE]
yeah but this hypothesis is a buttload more likely, given the sheer pile of previous evidence
[QUOTE=Noble;34821519]No one should have believed this anyway until it was completely, totally, 100% proven beyond all reasonable doubt.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in gravity because you can't prove it in an area without gravity
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;34821637]Eh, we'll find a way.[/QUOTE]
Wormholes...or blackholes...or some other kind of hole.
Rule of thumb, always search for the holes. They always hold the answer.
>:c neutrino is angry because it's no longer the fastest.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34821365]Related
[video=youtube;9XjS4I4oQDY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XjS4I4oQDY&context=C312ca2bADOEgsToPDskKIhyJr9MDQqypDLwTGSDc_[/video]
[editline]22nd February 2012[/editline]
The big point is that they used GPS to measure it, except GPS is a relativistic system and relies on the speed of light.[/QUOTE]
Michio Kaku is a pretty cool guy when he's not talking about the latest developments in relativistic quantum heterotic q-type 46-dimensional gluonic banana theory
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;34821733]I don't believe in gravity because you can't prove it in an area without gravity[/QUOTE]
No I'm saying people shouldn't be so ready to throw away the last century of our understanding of physics as soon as some news article announces that scientists found some strange data.
edited my last post to prevent confusion
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;34821498]i'm fairly certain they took that into account
even car satnavs use it[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you mean?
I mean GPS systems works because of the theory of relativity. So the point was that you probably can't disprove relativity by using a relativistic system like a GPS. You would have to assume the distance measured from Switzerland to Italy was wrong.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34822307]Not sure what you mean?
I mean GPS systems works because of the theory of relativity. So the point was that you probably can't disprove relativity by using a relativistic system like a GPS. You would have to assume the distance measured from Switzerland to Italy was wrong.[/QUOTE]
what
sure you could
if it gave systematically wrong data when taking relativity into account, then relativity would be wrong.
simple as.
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