Arafat being exhumed tuesday to determine whether he was poisoned - Polidicks

[QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.wahid.fr/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/la-tombe-de-yasser-arafat-yasser-arafat-tomb-ramallah.JPG[/IMG] [B]The body of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is to be exhumed on Tuesday, Palestinian officials say. [/B] His body is to undergo tests to find out whether his death in Paris in 2004 was caused by poisoning. Arafat's medical records say he had suffered a stroke, but France began a murder inquiry in August after Swiss experts found radioactive polonium-210 on his personal effects. His tomb, in Ramallah in the West Bank, was sealed off earlier this month. Arafat, who led the Palestine Liberation Organisation for 35 years and became the first president of the Palestinian Authority in 1996, fell violently ill in October 2004 at his compound. Two weeks later he was flown to a French military hospital in Paris, where he died on 11 November 2004, aged 75. His widow, Suha, objected to a post-mortem examination at the time, but later appealed to the Palestinian Authority to permit the exhumation "to reveal the truth". In 2005, the New York Times obtained a copy of Arafat's medical records, which it said showed he died of a massive haemorrhagic stroke that resulted from a bleeding disorder caused by an unknown infection. Independent experts who reviewed the records told the paper that it was highly unlikely that he had died of Aids or had been poisoned. A murder inquiry was launched by French prosecutors in August after an investigation by al-Jazeera TV, working with scientists at the Institute of Radiation Physics (IRA) at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland, found "significant" traces of polonium-210 present in samples taken from Arafat's personal effects, including his trademark keffiyeh headdress. In some cases, the elevated levels were 10 times higher than those on control subjects, and most of the polonium could not have come from natural sources, the scientists said.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20475737"]source[/URL] Putting my bets on Mossad.

We just got a ceasefire, please don't let this antagonize the situation

138 days half life, 8 years dead now. The polonium idea could be propaganda bullshit. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Not ruling out the experts, just saying it sounds fishy to do it NOW. All they'll find is traces of lead and that's no proof of anything. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Also what about the will of his wife? She said she didn't want him to go to autopsy. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Jesus fuck reading the wiki they got the samples in 2012 and 2011, this will prove NOTHING.

[QUOTE=Killuah;38573942]138 days half life, 8 years dead now. The polonium idea could be propaganda bullshit. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Not ruling out the experts, just saying it sounds fishy to do it NOW. All they'll find is traces of lead and that's no proof of anything. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Also what about the will of his wife? She said she didn't want him to go to autopsy. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Jesus fuck reading the wiki they got the samples in 2012 and 2011, this will prove NOTHING.[/QUOTE] 138 day half life means that the amount of it will half every 138 days. It will never entirely decay.

2/10 thread. Used weather instead of whether. Would not ponder upon thoughtfully.

Quick calculation: Whatever trace they find, he is dead for 8 years now, that means he would have AT LEAST 2.3 Million times the amount of PO210 with him the DAY HE DIED. And that's assuming they'll find every last trace of Po in his body ever(note: Since PO210 is an alphasource it needs to be in your body to kill you, a sheet of paper is enough to block alpha rays) [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DrLuckyLuke;38574009]138 day half life means that the amount of it will half every 138 days. It will never entirely decay.[/QUOTE] Matter is not a continuum.

He was probably poisoned. A lot of people wanted the guy dead and they certainly had the resources to do it. Hopefully, this will put the entire matter to rest, poison or no poison.

[QUOTE=Killuah;38573942]138 days half life, 8 years dead now. The polonium idea could be propaganda bullshit. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Not ruling out the experts, just saying it sounds fishy to do it NOW. All they'll find is traces of lead and that's no proof of anything. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Also what about the will of his wife? She said she didn't want him to go to autopsy. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Jesus fuck reading the wiki they got the samples in 2012 and 2011, this will prove NOTHING.[/QUOTE] It will have halfed 21 times by now. So say he had a very generous dose of 100 grams. That would go down to 50 grams, then 25, then 12.5, then 6.25, then 3.125, then 1.6something, then 0.6, then 0.3, then 0.15, then 0.07, then 0.035, then 0.02, then 0.01, then 0.005, then 0.0025, then 0.00125, then 0.0007 or so. And that was only 17 halfings. There's four more to go. And that was with 100 grams. Way more than he probably was poisoned with, if that was the case. Any trace amount there might be left is so little it'd be near impossible to detect and completely inconclusive of anything. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] And yes, my math is probably wrong or way simplified when I get down in the lower decimals. Not here to be all accurate, just to show how tiny doses there'd be left by now, even if he ate a small apple worth of the shit.

By just detecting (larger than average amount of) polonium in his body would make thing quite interesting.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;38574175]By just detecting (larger than average amount of) polonium in his body would make thing quite interesting.[/QUOTE] It sure would stir a shitstorm,it's just that after 8 years, with the wife refusing to let autopsy happen at first, it would solve nothing.

[QUOTE=Killuah;38574253]It sure would stir a shitstorm,it's just that after 8 years, with the wife refusing to let autopsy happen at first, it would solve nothing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, also I read on the wiki that it was only on his belongings that they found traces of polonium-210, but none noticed the typical radiation poisoning symptoms when he was in the hospital. lol this is like the fishiest of fishy.

Israel uses Uranium ammunition. Polonium is part of the Uranium and Thorium chain. Where have his belongings been stored? I feel like a conspiracy theorist right now.

Polonium is the perfect poison. A lethal dose is around 1 microgram. Just to get an idea how little that is i will compare with the most potent drug in the world. A normal dose of LSD is around 100-150 micrograms. That is the size of a grain of salt. This means that a deadly dose of polonium would be a tiny microscopic particle that is invisible to the human eye. This would make it extremely easy to poison someone. Damn you could just put some of these particles in a book, document or maybe even a simple letter. When the person opens the contaminated page he would be breath away from certian death.

[QUOTE=Killuah;38573942]138 days half life, 8 years dead now. The polonium idea could be propaganda bullshit. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Not ruling out the experts, just saying it sounds fishy to do it NOW. All they'll find is traces of lead and that's no proof of anything. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Also what about the will of his wife? She said she didn't want him to go to autopsy. [editline]24th November 2012[/editline] Jesus fuck reading the wiki they got the samples in 2012 and 2011, this will prove NOTHING.[/QUOTE] They were able to detect large amounts on his clothing, its probably a good bet they will on him.

[QUOTE=laserguided;38577815]They were able to detect large amounts on his clothing, its probably a good bet they will on him.[/QUOTE] It's really not, big traces in 2011 would mean he carried several GRAMS of it in 2004, are you people even reading what I posted?

[QUOTE=Killuah;38581737]It's really not, big traces in 2011 would mean he carried several GRAMS of it in 2004, are you people even reading what I posted?[/QUOTE] I'm willing to bet there was more polonium on his clothing then on your clothing. Its obviously distinguishable otherwise they wouldn't be doing this investigation.

Wouldn't lead be another element (which polonium decays into) that they could check for?

[QUOTE=laserguided;38582013]I'm willing to bet there was more polonium on his clothing then on your clothing. Its obviously distinguishable otherwise they wouldn't be doing this investigation.[/QUOTE] Like I said, it could also be from the ammo used by Israel or other sources. It's just not proof of anything because they discovered it in 2011/12

Seeing as Polonium doesn't exist in nature, it will be pretty easy to discover, even if it has been 8 years According to [url=http://www.clintox.org/documents/WMDSIG/AACT-WMD-Death_Polonium.pdf]this report[/url], one gram of Polonium will kill 50 million people

[QUOTE=Killuah;38585899]Like I said, it could also be from the ammo used by Israel or other sources. It's just not proof of anything because they discovered it in 2011/12[/QUOTE] He wasn't shot and they don't make ammo out of polonium...

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;38582348]Wouldn't lead be another element (which polonium decays into) that they could check for?[/QUOTE] I believe that they would check for lead-206. Natural lead is a mixture of lead-204, -206, -207 and -208, with majority of the isotopic fraction being lead-208. Detection of only lead-206 will support the notion that he was poisoned with polonium-210 (which decays via emission of an alpha particle to give lead-206).

As mentioned up there, that's no conclusive proof and will hold no ground for any judge, all it will do is stir up a shitstorm.

[QUOTE=Killuah;38574403]Israel uses Uranium ammunition. Polonium is part of the Uranium and Thorium chain. Where have his belongings been stored? I feel like a conspiracy theorist right now.[/QUOTE] He wasn't shot, so, if that were true, it'd still be irrelevant. [editline]25th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;38574253]It sure would stir a shitstorm,it's just that after 8 years, with the wife refusing to let autopsy happen at first, it would solve nothing.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't his wife demanding there be no autopsy make her a suspect?

Also the "uranium ammunition" is mostly for larger caliber weapons and I don't think Arafat took a tank shell to the chest

Just wow. Why are people rating me dumb up there. The math is conclusive, so are the dates. Of course matter entirely decays when the last atom decays. The main thread of uranium ammo is the uranium dust that is created when it hits, his household and belonging could easily be contaminated, that's a bigger chance than doctors of the best hospitals of Paris overlooking traces of polonium big enough to be detectable today. What exactly is dumb here?