[url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132204-Built-In-Advertising-is-Coming-to-Firefox[/url]
[quote]So it's kind of a big deal when Mozilla announces a new Directory Tiles program, which will see the default Firefox home tab populated with content advertisements.
"Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for first-time users," said Darren Herman, Mozilla's VP of Content Services. "Some of these tile placements will be from the Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic location, and some will be sponsored content from hand-picked partners to help support Mozilla's pursuit of our mission."
Emphasis added. Firefox will still go to your homepage when opened, but every blank tab opened thereafter will display some sort of sponsored content. It's unclear how these advertisements will affect the blank tabs after tiles are populated with your most visited sites. Right now, my tile screen is populated by Facebook, Bank of America, ESPN, Google, and the like -- will some of these tiles be replaced by ads? Or will the ads be pushed out once you have nine frequently visited sites?[/quote]
Sucks to be you, Firefox users.
... *snicker*
As long as it doesn't invade privacy by collecting data about me and selling it like Google does with Chrome and it remains unobtrusive, I don't see the problem.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43886425]As long as it doesn't invade privacy by collecting data about me and selling it like Google does with Chrome and it remains unobtrusive, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
The adverts might collect ads, then instead of giving it to 1 third party you're giving it to 100s of third partys.
edit: it says you are using chrome? :v:
jokes on you, my title screen is already full of furry and other porn pages
really hope nobody gets their hands on my computer without my supervision tho
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43886425]As long as it doesn't invade privacy by collecting data about me and selling it like Google does with Chrome and it remains unobtrusive, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.chromium.org/[/url]
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
there's literally no way you can justify this, like wow
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43886425]As long as it doesn't invade privacy by collecting data about me and selling it like Google does with Chrome and it remains unobtrusive, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
You sure it doesnt? Have you read their ToS? Privacy policy?
Both browsers are good, but for fucks sake at least Google doesnt have built-in ads
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43886457]The adverts might collect ads, then instead of giving it to 1 third party you're giving it to 100s of third partys.
edit: it says you are using chrome? :v:[/QUOTE]
I'm actually using a fork of Chromium called Dragon which is focused on privacy and security.
Please don't bring this to mobile.
Chrome is bloated and slow as fuck on my phone and I don't want Firefox to be the same.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;43886481]You sure it doesnt? Have you read their ToS? Privacy policy?
Both browsers are good, but for fucks sake at least Google doesnt have built-in ads[/QUOTE]
If I was wrong I would be extremely disappointed in Firefox because it would go against their philosophy or privacy, openness, and security that they've been preaching for the past decade or so.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Durrsly;43886519]Please don't bring this to mobile.
Chrome is bloated and slow as fuck on my phone and I don't want Firefox to be the same.[/QUOTE]
I've always found mobile Firefox to be orders worse than mobile Chrome.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;43886472][url]http://www.chromium.org/[/url]
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
there's literally no way you can justify this, like wow[/QUOTE]
I just don't mind when people make money from ad revenue when it doesn't ruin my web experience. Ads aren't the worst things ever guys, these people gotta pay the bills somehow.
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;43886472][url]http://www.chromium.org/[/url]
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
there's literally no way you can justify this, like wow[/QUOTE]
Sure you can, browsers are free and this tiny little "inconvenience" is the least we could do.
you know what doesn't have ads?
internet explorer.
If you would read the fucking thing, the only "ads" are in the new tab thing if you don't have 9 things to stick in them. The only people who are going to see this are new users. It's fucking nothing!
Even more reasons to use chrome over fire fucks
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;43886590]you know what doesn't have ads?
internet explorer.[/QUOTE]
And google chrome with 3 different adblocks installed. Works for me
Joke's on them: Autoupdate is turned off. I'm still quite happily using an old version of Firefox and will continue to quite happily use the old version.
The ads can go fuck themselves. And so can Mozilla if they want to try to force them down my throat.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43886605]If you would read the fucking thing, the only "ads" are in the new tab thing if you don't have 9 things to stick in them. The only people who are going to see this are new users. It's fucking nothing![/QUOTE]
I don't care what the ads are. The mere fact that they're there is enough. It's unacceptable.
If I'm right, isn't this just a preset for that 3x3 grid when you're using Firefox for the first time? I mean, maybe it sets a bad precedent but I think "built-in ads" implies something much more intrusive, like the UI has a space allocated for a banner ad or something.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43886538]
I've always found mobile Firefox to be orders worse than mobile Chrome.[/QUOTE]
Mobile Chrome is horrible. I only tried it once or twice out of curiosity, and it takes so long to load a page that i forget what i was loading in the first place.
Mobile FireFox is a quite a bit better, though still takes quite a while to load pages.
I use Opera Mini for everything i can. Loads pages very quickly, due to compressing things in between. Also saves massive amounts of bandwidth.
With my usage, it cuts used bandwidth by 84%. Since ive had this phone, Opera Mini has compressed 15.3GB of data down to 2.5GB.
[QUOTE=be;43886573]Sure you can, browsers are free and this tiny little "inconvenience" is the least we could do.[/QUOTE]
it's not even that bad. there will just be one or more hand-selected tiles on the homescreen the first time you run FF and before you populate it with your most-visited websites.
That said, the folks at Mozilla should have foreseen this outcry from entitled fucks everywhere and they have nobody to blame but themselves for lost usership. They can't change human nature.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Foda;43886699]it's not even that bad. there will just be one or more hand-selected tiles on the homescreen the first time you run FF and before you populate it with your most-visited websites.[/QUOTE]
I bet $5 that you can just set the new tab page to be "about:blank" (like you should be doing anyway,) and the ads go away forever.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43886425]As long as it doesn't invade privacy by collecting data about me and selling it like Google does with Chrome and it remains unobtrusive, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
Too bad that's probably what firefox is also gonna do now.
But both can be forked and thus the crap can be removed, but the average Joe and Jane most likely wouldn't care enough to look for a replacement OR one of those forks.
They're gonna lose their remaining power-users though...
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43886763]Too bad that's probably what firefox is also gonna do now.
But both can be forked and thus the crap can be removed, but the average Joe and Jane most likely wouldn't care enough to look for a replacement OR one of those forks.
They're gonna lose their remaining power-users though...[/QUOTE]
I'm skeptical about them suddenly changing to "the dark side" in regards to privacy. They're in real tight with the EFF and they would probably be throwing a (well-deserved) bitchfit right now if it was such a blatant invasion of privacy.
I'm a poor student who can't donate money, but I'd gladly donate my clicks!! Go Mozilla crew!!
seems like with the way firefox works, someone will create an addon that dissables this
mozilla is trying to build out their service much larger than it currently is so i'm fine with them trying to make a little more revanue, they are still not-for-profit
Devs trying to fund continued development of free software?
NOT ON MY WATCH!
The ads will probably be pushed out only in empty tiles. Quite sensationalist.
Before people jump on the hate train, theres a few points to this the article doesn't cover:
[quote=Johnathan Nightingale]Headlines aside, let's get really specific. The thing we're talking about today is the experience of a new Firefox user with an empty profile. We give them a new tab page with a bunch of blank tiles. That's a crappy first experience and we should make it better. Darren's team looked at that, and realized that we could make this better for users and generate income for Mozilla if we were smart about it. Pre-populating those tiles, like we already pre-populate search providers, is just a better experience. As with search, we should make the choices that make the most sense for our users, we should make them localizable even if we have certain global defaults, and we should give users choice over whether to use them at all. Of course the implementation has to be done in ways that respect our users and serve our values as a project. I think that is all self-evident to people who read these groups, but I know that surprise and confusion is an uncomfortable place, and makes it hard
er to reason from trust.[/quote]
- Ads will in no way be able to access any user data
- They will go away after the user has started using the browser
This is no different to pre-populating bookmarks or search engines. However, the blog post does give off the wrong idea. This is a concept of how it should look:
[t]http://cl.ly/image/3I172o2f202k/sponsored-tiles-marked.png[/t]
Christ can noone read
[quote]The newest program is one we’re calling Directory Tiles, which is designed to improve the first-time-with-Firefox experience. Currently, if a new Firefox user opens a new tab, this is what they see:
[t]https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/files/2014/02/blank_newtab.jpg[/t]
Their tiles – those nine rectangles that populate over time with the most frequent and recent websites they visit – are empty. The new tab page isn’t delivering any value for them.
Directory Tiles will instead suggest pre-packaged content for [B]first-time users[/B]. Some of these tile placements will be from the Mozilla ecosystem, some will be popular websites in a given geographic location, and some will be sponsored content from hand-picked partners to help support Mozilla’s pursuit of our mission. The sponsored tiles will be clearly labeled as such, while still leading to content we think users will enjoy.[/quote]
These are literally pre-packaged [B]bookmarks[/B] that you can delete or replace with your own.
There's no possible invasion of privacy because they do not connect to the internet, and aren't even downloaded from anywhere, they come with the installer.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43886425]As long as it doesn't invade privacy by collecting data about me and selling it like Google does with Chrome and it remains unobtrusive, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
That's the least you should worry about with Ads. Ads can be loaded with malware and as soon as you load them up it's just given to you. You don't have to click them or anything. And there ain't didly dick shit you can do about it. Adblock has your back, but I don't know how that would work if they're built into the browser itself. All I can say is Fuck that, I'd rather not
Joke's on them, I still use Internet Explorer!
[QUOTE=TheTalon;43886984]That's the least you should worry about with Ads. Ads can be loaded with malware and as soon as you load them up it's just given to you. You don't have to click them or anything. And there ain't didly dick shit you can do about it. Adblock has your back, but I don't know how that would work if they're built into the browser itself. All I can say is Fuck that, I'd rather not[/QUOTE]
I recognize these risks and they are the #1 reason why I use adblock. (If I can be promised that I won't get malware from some shady ad site that I never heard of, I would never use adblock.) However, it's important to recognize that each of these will be carefully audited by Mozilla so as to not tarnish the user experience. If Mozilla were to be compromised in this fashion it would have much larger implications than just having malicious ads. This is also why I enable the "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" option.
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