UKIP defends 'Be like Hitler' advice to its candidates.
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[quote=BBC]UKIP has defended one of its MEPs who allegedly advised prospective party candidates to learn from the speaking style of Adolf Hitler.
[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720860/Hitler-achieved-great-deal-Ukip-MEP-sparks-anger-tells-youth-wing-copy-Nazi-leader.html"]According to the Mail on Sunday,[/URL] Bill Etheridge described the Nazi dictator as a "magnetic and forceful" performer who "achieved a great deal".
The West Midlands MEP spoke at a public speaking seminar at the Young Independence Conference in Birmingham.
UKIP said Mr Etheridge was discussing the style of great public speakers.[/quote]
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Farage did nothing wrong.
[QUOTE]Bill Etheridge described the Nazi dictator as a "magnetic and forceful" performer who "achieved a great deal".[/QUOTE]
well, he's not wrong.
there are more good public speakers than Hitler, plenty that didn't attempt genocide I'm sure.
I don't think Hitler's style of oration and rhetoric would even work well in 21st century Britain
except for giving die hard far-right loons erections
its missed placed admiration and pretty shit advice
Hitler was a powerful public speaker, and I am all for objectivity and not trying dehumanise the wicked without purpose.
But if you are part of a political party that is currently trying to distance its appearance from extremist right-wing groups, maybe it is not a good idea to cite Adolf Hitler as a role model for any activity. Even public speaking.
There's a TON of historic figures that were charismatic and yet didn't commit mass genocide. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO PICK SOMETHING ELSE!
Saw this on r/ukpolitics, BBC is being a bit one sided in how they are presenting UKIP here:
[quote=http://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/2d4fg8/ukip_defends_meps_hitler_speech_advice/]If you're interested in politics and influencing people there's a lot to be said for understanding Hitler.
This is exactly as true if you want to stop the sort of thing he did [if you understand it, you can spot it], or if you want to employ the same tools.
The following is an entirely valid observation and relevant to both of these points:
>"When Hitler gave speeches, and many of the famous ones were at rallies, at the start he walks, back and forth, looked at people – there was a silence, he waited minutes just looking out at people, fixing them with his gaze."
The quality of the BBC reporting on this is abysmally poor. They're re-reporting a Daily Mail story, but:
From the BBC:
>Bill Etheridge described the Nazi dictator as a "magnetic and forceful" performer who "achieved a great deal".
From the Daily Mail:
>He suggested that the audience should take their oratorical tips from ‘a hateful figure who achieved a great deal’.
I'm pretty sure that if you describe someone as, "A hateful figure" it's relatively clear you're not expressing admiration for them as a person.
There was a time when this sort of misleading, propaganda nonsense was beneath the BBC. That the reporting of the BBC is less balanced and more misleading than that of a paper regarded by many as the purveyor of the very lowest form of *news* significant and only in the worst ways.
It does amount to poor judgement by Etheridge in that he should have been able to spot from a mile away that this would be the reaction. Not least of all because there's an argument that UKIP's recent rise to popularity is linked to the economic damage people's standard of living has taken. However, it shames everyone involved that they've gone for this sort of mindless, click-bait dross.
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[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45648589]There's a TON of historic figures that were charismatic and yet didn't commit mass genocide. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO PICK SOMETHING ELSE![/QUOTE]
Arguably he's the most well known historic politician, who also happens to be a good public speaker.
This reeks of yellow journalism, It's pretty clear Farage was referring to his public speaking skills and not his skills in commiting mass genocide. "Be like Hitler" - sensationalist indeed.
When people are saying that Hitler is a good public speaker, can you list some points where you state why you think that way. All I see is "Hitler was a good speaker". Okay, how?
Because I see not a single speaker speaking like Hitler nowadays, if he techniques were so good, surely they'd have been used more often?
The things I notice is that he seems to speak with passion, is very fierce and moves a lot? I dunno...
Edit: I mean it certainly seems he speaks with a lot of emotion, and at wartime perhaps that makes a lot of difference. But if someone did it now, it'd probably seem like they're trying too much.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45648609]Arguably he's the most well known historic politician, who also happens to be a good public speaker.
This reeks of yellow journalism, It's pretty clear Farage was referring to his public speaking skills and not his skills in commiting mass genocide. "Be like Hitler" - sensationalist indeed.[/QUOTE]
The thing is nobody is arguing about Hitler's charisma. The issue is that you'd have to be a complete idiot to refer to him positively about anything.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;45648660]When people are saying that Hitler is a good public speaker, can you list some points where you state why you think that way. All I see is "Hitler was a good speaker". Okay, how?
Because I see not a single speaker speaking like Hitler nowadays, if he techniques were so good, surely they'd have been used more often?
The things I notice is that he seems to speak with passion, is very fierce and moves a lot? I dunno...
Edit: I mean it certainly seems he speaks with a lot of emotion, and at wartime perhaps that makes a lot of difference. But if someone did it now, it'd probably seem like they're trying too much.[/QUOTE]
Because he managed to convince a reasonably educated country to invade nearly every country around them and massacre millions of people. Civilised people don't generally do that.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45648732]The thing is nobody is arguing about Hitler's charisma. The issue is that you'd have to be a complete idiot to refer to him positively about anything.[/QUOTE]
His paintings are pretty nice
Guess I'm an idiot
I'm not so sure you even want to say people should learn from his public speaking ability.
Yes people parrot that he's a great public speaker, but it was that combined with many other methods and propaganda that [I]brainwashed[/I] the population into following him. They used an almost cultist approach to the thing, which could tie into the whole Hitler's not so well known ties to cultist groups if the research is to be believed.
A lot of his speeches were meaningless rhetoric designed to rally the people and further enforce his own image as the all powerful hero that Germany needs.
I get what they are saying, but Hitler isn't the best choice of person even if he was very charismatic.
[QUOTE=download;45648793]Because he managed to convince a reasonably educated country to invade nearly every country around them and massacre millions of people. Civilised people don't generally do that.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, good luck then to UKIP to achieve whatever goals they try to achieve by mimicking the the way a guy spoke during a time very different from today.
[QUOTE=Cushie;45648842]I'm not so sure you even want to say people should learn from his public speaking ability.
Yes people parrot that he's a great public speaker, but it was that combined with many other methods and propaganda that [I]brainwashed[/I] the population into following him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah exactly. No doubt he managed to rally people with his speeches. But damn, don't forget everything else around Hitler that kept the country going.
Churchill was a good speaker, and he was more British than Hitler and not a big butt.
UKIP what are you doin
[QUOTE=gokiyono;45648811]His paintings are pretty nice
Guess I'm an idiot[/QUOTE]Hitlers terrible perspective carried over into his paintings
[QUOTE=Swebonny;45648844]Well yeah, good luck then to UKIP to achieve whatever goals they try to achieve by mimicking the the way a guy spoke during a time very different from today.
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I'm not saying Hitler's speeches are relevant now but in the day they were a masterpiece of propaganda.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;45648811]His paintings are pretty nice
Guess I'm an idiot[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say you were an idiot but I would disagree. For someone coming into art around the time of one of the most important avant garde art movements, his paintings are incredibly average and unexperimental. None of his art has any real voice to it, it's just kind of watercolours that anyone with an understanding of composition could produce. I think it's completely fair that he didn't get into art school because he never attempted anything bold.
obviously that's just opinion though
hitler did nothing wrong
[QUOTE=download;45648793]Because he managed to convince a reasonably educated country to invade nearly every country around them and massacre millions of people. Civilised people don't generally do that.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget, it was also a consequence of multiple events. The treaties that wrecked their economy and general hate for the first world war also set things in motion.
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;45648863]Churchill was a good speaker, and he was more British than Hitler and not a big butt.
UKIP what are you doin[/QUOTE]
Churchhill among others were mentioned by this UKIP person during the speech being referenced in the article but the focus is on Hitler because news people know they get views from outraged people.
yeah this whole thing has just been taken way out of proportion, he was undeniably a good public speaker, just because you say he's a good speaker doesn't mean you are saying all jews are cunts.
if anything, the labour MP who called him disgusting is the retard here because he has no grasp of the point he's trying to make.
Reminds me of a politician a few years back that said the Nazis were bad, but at least their uniforms showed they had a sense of style.
Again, I think I know what he means, but you have to turn a blind eye to an awful lot to agree.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45648589]There's a TON of historic figures that were charismatic and yet didn't commit mass genocide. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO PICK SOMETHING ELSE![/QUOTE]
yeah but hitler was also a social nationalist
[QUOTE=Memobot;45649156]Reminds me of a politician a few years back that said the Nazis were bad, but at least their uniforms showed they had a sense of style. [/QUOTE]
Wasn't it Hugo Boss that designed the uniforms?
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