Conservative Trolls Have Been Suggesting Men Go into Women's Restrooms to Help Legislators Discrimin - Polidicks

[quote]It's one thing for conservative legislators to throw out specious arguments about the possibility of men abusing an anti-discrimination rule that protects transgender people in bathrooms. It's another thing to try and goad male conservatives into using women's restrooms in order to prove a point. Over the last two months, Facebook users who support the anti-trans discrimination bills in the state legislature have been suggesting that men invade those spaces in order to drum up support for the legislation. On the Facebook page for "Keep Locker Rooms Safe," a group supporting the anti-trans bills, one commenter responded to a January 6 "call to action" like this: trans1.png Keep Locker Rooms Safe/Facebook On another page encouraging supporters to turn out for a hearing in Olympia on SB 6443, a Facebook user named Ryan Hart said that he thought, "A group of men should go 'occupy' all the women's restrooms in the building to prove the point that men should not be welcome there." [/quote] [url]http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2016/02/17/23584290/conservative-trolls-have-been-suggesting-men-go-into-womens-restrooms-to-help-legislators-discriminate-against-trans-people[/url] [img]http://www.thestranger.com/binary/151e/1455753182-trans1.png[/img] Bigots are more of a threat than trans people ever could be [url]http://www.abc10.com/news/nation/man-in-seattle-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45435945[/url]

That's pretty... wow.

they should encourage more men to walk around in dresses and skirts, act effeminate and take tons of hormone pills that'll show those confused liberals whats what! [editline]22nd February 2016[/editline] this is like how rush limbaugh was telling people to go out and vote for obama in the 2008 election to kick hillary. im not sure it mattered in the end, but maybe if they were paying attention to their own race they might have won, instead they ended up with mccain/palin he's also advocating the same thing this time around, which is even more hillarious since the republicans need every single vote they can get to stop the trump

Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.

they should also advocate more conservative women to go use abortion clinics to show that everybody is using it as birth control

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] They were conservatives, so it described them as conservatives. Is that too hard to understand?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] What rock have you been living under? 'Conservative' and 'Liberal don't mean what they used to, and haven't for generations. Today, the word 'conservative' always denotes someone who is in favour of economic deregulation, but who is socially regressive, whereas 'Liberal' denotes someone who is economically conservative, but socially progressive.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] They're still conservative individuals and the title in no way claims that they represent every conservative?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] Why the victim complex? It never said in the article that ever single conservative was supporting this horseshit.

Ever since the law passed here, every article I see from my local news' Facebook pages is littered with anti-trans remarks. Most trans people are actually just perverts according to these guys. [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] I would argue the majority of conservatives in my area are anti-trans.

[QUOTE=greasemunky;49794579]Why the victim complex? It never said in the article that ever single conservative was supporting this horseshit.[/QUOTE] Why the label that seemingly is meant to be offensive? Why not just call them trolls? I'm, pro-trans/gay/whatever, and a conservative, but why not just call them trolls?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794675]Why the label that seemingly is meant to be offensive? Why not just call them trolls? I'm, pro-trans/gay/whatever, and a conservative, but why not just call them trolls?[/QUOTE] Because they're conservative and identify as such? If its clearly not directed at you then why take offense?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794675]Why the label that seemingly is meant to be offensive? Why not just call them trolls? I'm, pro-trans/gay/whatever, and a conservative, but why not just call them trolls?[/QUOTE] Just like Facepunch is not a hive-mind, neither are any other label-group. You only need to take offense if you are grouped with them by your own decision, specifically as Anti-Trans Conservative.

So let me get this straight First of all, cis men or women who are perverts walking into the other bathroom/locker room and using being transgender as an excuse isn't something that really happens. But now, bigoted people protesting trans rights are going to make it a real occurrence in order to pass laws to prevent it from happening, meanwhile not realizing that such a law will place people like this man in women's rooms [img]http://55.media.tumblr.com/79b1a87560961d115178eb05eacb8bfd/tumblr_inline_nl4aipQk0n1s0q1be.png[/img] and this woman in men's rooms [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/16/19/27A2AA8000000578-3042240-image-a-72_1429207789194.jpg[/img] It's so nonsensical I'm -actually- having a hard time understanding how this could happen in reality

Literally no one would have stopped those people from going into their preferred restroom. You don't need a law to allow or not allow it. To pretend that this issue is about people like that and not like that kid from not too long ago who looked just like a guy but wanted to use the woman's locker room is just silly. As a side note: I think it's stupid for people to use the wrong restroom on purpose to try and prove a point.

Can't I just take a shit in peace?

[QUOTE=sgman91;49794749]Literally no one would have stopped those people from going into their preferred restroom. You don't need a law to allow or not allow it. To pretend that this issue is about people like that and not like that kid from not too long ago who looked just like a guy but wanted to use the woman's locker room is just silly.[/QUOTE] But these bathroom bills don't exclude passing/blending trans people either, so my point isn't any less valid. Even if you wanted to exclude passing/blending trans people from a bathroom bill you couldn't because it's such a nuanced thing. Even if you could figure out how a law like that could be put into effect, it's just a slightly more niche form of discrimination.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49794749]Literally no one would have stopped those people from going into their preferred restroom. You don't need a law to allow or not allow it. To pretend that this issue is about people like that and not like that kid from not too long ago who looked just like a guy but wanted to use the woman's locker room is just silly. As a side note: I think it's stupid for people to use the wrong restroom on purpose to try and prove a point.[/QUOTE] Self-awareness isn't a trait commonly found in these sorts of people… I know because I've dealt with them. I know because I've had a paranoid douchebag publically insinuate that I'm a twisted pervert for being trans and wanting to use the women's lavatory.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;49794830]But these bathroom bills don't exclude passing/blending trans people either, so my point isn't any less valid. Even if you wanted to exclude passing/blending trans people from a bathroom bill you couldn't because it's such a nuanced thing. Even if you could figure out how a law like that could be put into effect, it's just a slightly more niche form of discrimination.[/QUOTE] I agree, it's an almost impossibly difficult line to draw legally, but I do think bills like this are a reaction against the equally obvious examples like the one I mentioned. Personally, I think we should just let this go on a case by case basis. It's silly to let anyone use whatever bathroom they want, no matter what, and it's equally silly to deny a person who is indistinguishable from a man from using the men's restroom, yet there's really no legal line between those that can be easily argued. So, instead, we see people reaching toward the clear extremes instead of delving into the difficult grey area where the real issue lies.

The only purpose a law such as this serves is to enable discrimination. Say you're a transgender person fully capable of passing as the gender you identify as. You happen to go to a coffee shop every day for your morning coffee. You befriend the owner and add him on facebook. He finds out that you're transgender from this and is suddenly disgusted with you. He calls the cops with video evidence of you leaving the womans restroom and you soon find yourself arrested. Thats just one of a myriad of issues that could arise from this law. Saying that it only has an effect on nonpassing transgender people is a foolish statement.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49794858]I agree, it's an almost impossibly difficult line to draw legally, but I do think bills like this are a reaction against the equally obvious examples like the one I mentioned. Personally, I think we should just let this go on a case by case basis. It's silly to let anyone use whatever bathroom they want, no matter what, and it's equally silly to deny a person who is indistinguishable from a man from using the men's restroom, yet there's really no legal line between those than can be easily argued. So we see both extremes.[/QUOTE] I agree that this is something which should be considered on a case by case basis. In an ideal world where people can controls themselves, I think unisex restrooms would be the way to go, but in reality that might not pan out so well. So in lieu of that, I think the solution here is to continue to try to be more accepting and reasonable as a society. If you're a pre-anything trans woman who appears as a man then yeah it might not be the best idea to walk into a woman's restroom and expect everyone to be okay with that. Equally, if you as a cis person spot a trans person in the bathroom who is clearly still transitioning or has transitioned but is unable to blend with cis people, you probably don't need to get all up in arms about it, because they present themselves in a way that gives you the information you need to determine whether or not their gender matches the room, and anything beyond that shouldn't concern you. On a large scale this isn't really a problem, and outlier cases like the one you mentioned should be considered on an individual basis by those involved... not by poorly written and over-reaching laws.

[QUOTE=Foogooman;49794919]I agree that this is something which should be considered on a case by case basis. In an ideal world where people can controls themselves, I think unisex restrooms would be the way to go, but in reality that might not pan out so well. So in lieu of that, I think the solution here is to continue to try to be more accepting and reasonable as a society. If you're a pre-anything trans woman who appears as a man then yeah it might not be the best idea to walk into a woman's restroom and expect everyone to be okay with that. Equally, if you as a cis person spot a trans person in the bathroom who is clearly still transitioning or has transitioned but is unable to blend with cis people, you probably don't need to get all up in arms about it. On a large scale this isn't really a problem, and outlier cases like the one you mentioned should be considered on an individual basis by those involved... not by poorly written and over-reaching laws.[/QUOTE] As far as I can see we only have poorly written, over-reaching laws in both directions. Sadly, we've become a legalistic society that can't work on a person to person, case by case, reasonable basis. One person sues and law will be made, either by the supreme court or by congress. We have a difficult issue with both sides fighting for their version of the extreme answer. So what do we do? I honestly don't have an answer. It seems to me that it will end up going down to the supreme court deciding the legal standing of transsexual people and the very nature of what gender means in society.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] Do you know how adjectives work?

As I've said before and I will say a THOUSAND times hence. The bathroom is no place for politics of any sort, gender or otherwise. [editline]23rd February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] Well the name of the board IS sensationalist headlines...

Maybe I should go on a murder spree to show people that we need gun control. Fucking babies.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] this is commonly done in news stuff I wouldn't call it sensationalist, as it's common sense that not EVERY single person with conservative views is trying to do this right now [editline]23rd February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49794551]Why do people think this speaks for all conservatives? Such a sensationalist thread title.[/QUOTE] I also don't really understand why you're getting so defencive. Right now you're acting like a single article that isn't directed at you is going to destroy the entire conservative community/offend thousands of people.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;49795812]Why aren't most bathrooms unisex[/QUOTE] Because of Pervs who'd abuse the privilege. That and most unisex bathrooms are for one person at a time only.

[QUOTE=Glaber;49796201]Because of Pervs who'd abuse the privilege. That and most unisex bathrooms are for one person at a time only.[/QUOTE] I honestly doubt that unisex bathrooms suddenly mean that every fucking pervert is going to go up and down the bathroom peeking into stalls.

Remember: More politicians have been involved in sex offences in bathrooms than trans people.

[QUOTE=Glaber;49796201]Because of Pervs who'd abuse the privilege. That and most unisex bathrooms are for one person at a time only.[/QUOTE] They can be dealt with in the same way gay pervs, lesbian pervs, bi pervs, etc.. are dealt with in their own bathrooms aka arresting people because creeping on other people like that is illegal as fuck