Porn industry mulls leaving LA if condoms required
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[quote]LOS ANGELES (AP) — Some of the most prominent purveyors of porn say they'll start packing up their sex toys and abandoning the nation's porn capital if authorities carry through with a nascent effort to police adult film sets and order that every actor be outfitted with a condom.
That effort took a serious leap forward Tuesday when the Los Angeles city council voted 9-1 to grant final approval to an ordinance that would deny film permits to producers who do not comply with the condom requirement. The measure now goes to Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa for approval.
Before the measure can take effect, however, the council has called for the creation of a committee of police officials, the city attorney, state health officials and others to determine how it might be enforced.
"It's going to be interesting to see how in fact they do try to enforce it and who's going to fund it, and all of the time and effort they're going to spend," said Steven Hirsch, co-founder and co-chairman of Los Angeles-based Vivid, one of the largest makers of erotic movies.
"Ultimately I think what they will find is people will just stop shooting in the city of Los Angeles," added Hirsch. "That's a given."
His company, founded in 1984, would be among those that would consider leaving, he said.
Other industry officials condemned the measure as an unneeded exercise in political correctness that cannot be enforced in the city known in the industry as the porn capital of the country. Approximately 90 percent of U.S. porn films are made in Los Angeles, almost all of them in the city's San Fernando Valley, said Mark Kernes, senior editor of Adult Video News.
When films, Internet downloads, sex toys and admission to dance clubs are counted, Kernes said, it's an industry that produces about $8 billion a year in revenue. It has been battered in recent years, however, by the recession and the increased popularity of free Internet porn, and Kernes and others say requiring condoms would further erode business.
They say consumers, particularly those overseas, have made it clear they won't watch films when the actors use condoms, complaining that it is distracting and ruins the fantasy.
"The only thing that the city could potentially achieve is losing some film permit money and driving some productions away, but you can't actually compel an industry to create a product that the market doesn't want," said Christian Mann, general manager of Evil Angel, another of the industry's largest production companies.
Ged Kenslea, spokesman for the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, said the measure is needed because the industry has failed to properly police itself. For years, he said, filmmakers have ignored state health laws mandating the use of condoms when workers are exposed to blood-borne pathogens.
"Let's make one thing clear: Condom use on adult film sets is, and has been, the law in California under blood-borne pathogens regulations," he said. "It is just a law that has not been uniformly enforced or followed. This film permit ordinance that the city council approved today provides another enforcement mechanism to make sure that adult film producers are complying with existing California law."
The council's final vote to approve the law was taken without public discussion, on a day when most of the porn industry's major players were in Las Vegas preparing for Wednesday's opening of the Adult Entertainment Expo, their industry's largest trade event. They said they weren't surprised by the news.
The industry already does its own policing, filmmakers say, requiring actors be tested for sexually transmitted diseases a minimum of every 30 days when they are working. They say no cases of HIV have been directly linked to porn films since 2004, adding they fear if the industry scatters to areas outside of Los Angeles, testing could fall by the wayside, exposing performers to more risk.
"If someone is going to catch an STD, it's usually out of the business because we are tested so often," said veteran porn actress and producer Tabitha Stevens.
In her 17 years in the business, Stevens said, she has worked both with and without condoms. Although she prefers to use condoms, acknowledging they do increase safety, she said the choice should be left up to the performers and not mandated by a government agency.
"If you want to wear them, wear them. If you don't, don't. That's up to the talent to decide. It shouldn't be up to the government to decide," she said.[/quote]
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Damn
I like it without condom more
watching porn where the dude wears a condom is kinda weird tbh
I guess they're deciding to pull out of this situation
They're just [i]protecting[/i] their own interests.
It's a wrap for the porn industry over there.
The puns in this thread are shitty.
I can understand both sides, though personally I think condoms shouldn't be mandatory provided every actor is thoroughly checked for any STDs regularly (which I think is the case already).
What about lesbians?
[QUOTE=nikomo;34274679]The puns in this thread are shitty.[/QUOTE]
No, this was in California, not Germany.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34274686]I can understand both sides, though personally I think condoms shouldn't be mandatory provided every actor is thoroughly checked for any STDs regularly (which I think is the case already).[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think this is one of the sneaky things where teenage boys watch, they'll start wearing condoms more often? I don't actually know, it'd be interesting to see if this would have an effect or anything.
Don't be silly, wrap your willy.
I'm okay with precautions and all,but condoms don't really fit porn industry.
They regularly conduct std tests too.
Condoms in porn huh?
So how is the amateur scene doing these days?
Condoms are pretty much a large reason why I don't like anything coming from a porn industry. It's the very pinnicle sign of it being, "Yes, this is fake as hell" instead of being at least moderately believable.
When normal gay folk have sex, chances are it's never going to be using a condom unless you are just doing random one night stands on the street.
No glove, no glory
POLICE STATE
[QUOTE=KorJax;34274941]Condoms are pretty much a large reason why I don't like anything coming from a porn industry. It's the very pinnicle sign of it being, "Yes, this is fake as hell" instead of being at least moderately believable.
When normal gay folk have sex, chances are it's never going to be using a condom unless you are just doing random one night stands on the street.[/QUOTE]
Coming from an openly gay male who has had sex with roughly 15 different guys, You're completely wrong.
every time i see a porn star talk about the industry, they say how the tests are sometimes not done, lied about, or just simply not done.
[QUOTE=Judas;34275070]Coming from an openly gay male who has had sex with roughly 15 different guys, You're completely wrong.[/QUOTE]
ur every gay male?
[quote]roughly 15 different guys, You're completely wrong.[/quote]
Clearly. I consider having sex with "15 different guys" in the same leauge as one night stand type of behavior.
Of course you'd use condoms in casual sex with different people you don't know too well. If you know someone though, it's pretty stupid to bother using condoms. I've never used one in my life except as a joke once for the first 10 minutes. I'm clean. Those I had done it with are clean. Etc..
Even then a lot of gay people out there still don't bother using condoms even with casual sex with people they might not know very well based on a trust factor. I don't know if I would do that, but then again I'm not the type of person who'd like to have casual sex with a variety of people.
Dude, its porn, why does is it need to be 'believable'?
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;34275295]Dude, its porn, why does is it need to be 'believable'?[/QUOTE]
Suspension of disbelief, we enjoy that more.
Whats wrong with that....
oh wait
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34275367]Suspension of disbelief, we enjoy that more.[/QUOTE]
With the way most porn is there is no need for a suspension of disbelief.
[QUOTE=venn178;34274687]What about lesbians?[/QUOTE]
And what about gays? Oh wait, two condoms then.
[url=http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/09/14/la-porn-studio-begins-construction-on-post-apocalyptic-underground-bunker/]What's going to happen to the post apocalyptic porn bunker?[/url] Will we not be able to repopulate the earth in our LA porn bunker once Nukes kill everyone? ):
Hope to god our condoms break?
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;34275165]ur every gay male?[/QUOTE]
yes
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;34274795]Actually, I think this is one of the sneaky things where teenage boys watch, they'll start wearing condoms more often? I don't actually know, it'd be interesting to see if this would have an effect or anything.[/QUOTE]
This won't have any effect on teenagers, as you must be 18 to watch adult content
[QUOTE=KorJax;34275197]Clearly. I consider having sex with "15 different guys" in the same leauge as one night stand type of behavior.
Of course you'd use condoms in casual sex with different people you don't know too well. If you know someone though, it's pretty stupid to bother using condoms. I've never used one in my life except as a joke once for the first 10 minutes. I'm clean. Those I had done it with are clean. Etc..
Even then a lot of gay people out there still don't bother using condoms even with casual sex with people they might not know very well based on a trust factor. I don't know if I would do that, but then again I'm not the type of person who'd like to have casual sex with a variety of people.[/QUOTE]
Condoms for anal sex are a bit of a different issue due to fecal matter
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