Officer charged in Philando Castile shooting - Polidicks

[url]http://www.startribune.com/ramsey-county-attorney-choi-to-announce-update-in-castile-shooting/401484635/[/url] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/16/philando-castile-shooting-manslaughter-police-jeronimo-yanez[/url] [quote]Officer Jeronimo Yanez faces three criminal charges for the killing of Philando Castile, Ramsey County Attorney John Choi announced Wednesday. Choi said it was his conclusion that “use of deadly force by Officer Yanez was not justified.” Yanez was charged Wednesday with second-degree manslaughter and two felony counts of dangerous discharge of a firearm. Castile, 32, was fatally shot July 6 by St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights. A video recorded by his girlfriend, showing him bleeding in the car while the officer stood nearby, has been viewed millions of times around the world, and touched off widespread outrage and protests over several years of police killings of black men. Before Yanez, no officer had been charged in more than 150 police-involved deaths in Minnesota since 2000.[/quote]

From what I understand of this case, and the breakdown of actions and dialogue they describe, I'm glad the cop is getting punished for what he did. That video is still burned into my memory and probably will be for a long, long time.

I grew up in the St Paul area. It was a really big deal locally, heightened tensions was no excuse for dumping a magazine into the guy

Good. This case was outrageous and the video was damning. Minnesota's been doing much better recently with police relations - step in the right direction.

Dude had no business being a cop. Academies do a really good job at weeding those types out but they don't always catch them

[QUOTE=TheTalon;51381313]Dude had no business being a cop. Academies do a really good job at weeding those types out but they don't always catch them[/QUOTE] Mistakes happen. Cops are human. He was more focused on the weapon than the entire circumstances. His partner was also like "what the fuck man" after hearing the shots

From what I recall it was a 360 degree shit show. Phil held a CCW permit (which they don't give out willy nilly) and didn't properly declare the gun or keep his hands on the wheel when he said it, green cop panicked. Really sad.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51381421]Mistakes happen. Cops are human. He was more focused on the weapon than the entire circumstances. His partner was also like "what the fuck man" after hearing the shots[/QUOTE] And yet, this mistake cost an innocent man his life. Would you have the officer be given a pass for wrongfully killing a man?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51381421]Mistakes happen. Cops are human. He was more focused on the weapon than the entire circumstances. His partner was also like "what the fuck man" after hearing the shots[/QUOTE] "Today, the court ruled that Officer Yanez made an "Oopsy-Daisy" in the killing of Philando Castle, but decided he would not get a "time out." Citing that in spite of the "Big No-No" he made, "mistakes happen" and that he was still a "good boy.""

Why not take it further then? Doctors who make a mistake resulting in injury or death will lose their medical license. Botched a surgery? Then you'll never hold a scalpel again.

I mean that's pretty much what malpractice is.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51382645]I mean that's pretty much what malpractice is.[/QUOTE] I [I]seriously[/I] doubt a surgeon is fired every time someone dies in surgery.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51382662]I [I]seriously[/I] doubt a surgeon is fired every time someone dies in surgery.[/QUOTE] Obviously not, but if you're reckless and kill your patient due to behavior that is totally uncalled for in the OR, you're done being a surgeon. The medical comparison is also stupid because people seek out the help and attention of medical professionals and agree to let them practice on them (in most cases). Doctors don't usually pull you over, start performing surgery and then kill you in front of your girlfriend. [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] I mean, I kinda get what you're saying, but what is the point you're trying to make? That the cop should be pardoned of criminal charges, that he should be allowed to return to the force after killing an innocent man because he failed to do his job properly?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51382662]I [I]seriously[/I] doubt a surgeon is fired every time someone dies in surgery.[/QUOTE] No, but if a doctor acts negligently during a surgery... from anything as small as not properly disinfecting to anything as large as doing an extremely risky procedure without the patients consent, they can get sued for a lot of money.

A patient dying in surgery isn't the same as a doctor being purposely negligent and making a fatal mistake. A good surgeon will go into a surgery knowing the risks of death and use the appropriate and safest method to obtain a result. A bad surgeon will push for results and use dangerous or negligent methods to obtain those results which could lead to a fatality. In the latter case, a surgeon will lose his ability to practice, yes.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51382513]And yet, this mistake cost an innocent man his life. Would you have the officer be given a pass for wrongfully killing a man?[/QUOTE] To say he should have never been a cop is downright wrong. No one is giving him a pass here, obviously.

Manslaughter seems like an appropriate charge since I don't think the Cop had ill intent or racial motivation. Seems like an unfortunate and avoidable situation rather than an abuse of power. You should absolutely not have to worry about being shot when carrying your legally owned firearm when you're following all the right rules.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51382959]To say he should have never been a cop is downright wrong. No one is giving him a pass here, obviously.[/QUOTE] Given what happened, saying that he never should have become a cop seems pretty fair to me. Training can only accomplish so much. If you're temperamentally unsuited for the role of being a police officer, then you should not become a police officer. Law enforcement is a dangerous and demanding job, and people's lives depend on you doing it effectively.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51383089]Given what happened, saying that he never should have become a cop seems pretty fair to me. Training can only accomplish so much. If you're temperamentally unsuited for the role of being a police officer, then you should not become a police officer. Law enforcement is a dangerous and demanding job, and people's lives depend on you doing it effectively.[/QUOTE] Absolutely unreasonable train of thought there. Can't be perfect all the time.

In what sense is it unreasonable to say that policing requires a proper temperament, and that people who are unable to display sound judgment in the face of stressful situations should not be police officers?

Whatever way you look at it, there's no way this guy can remain as a cop anymore. Seeing the video, the guy didn't particularly handle well under pressure and given that this has cost a man his life it's clear the situation is past the point of no return, regardless of intent. That said, I doubt a long jail sentence is going to do anyone good - but the police department/whoever is responsible better be willing to compensate the family he left behind.

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[QUOTE=Code3Response;51383458]Absolutely unreasonable train of thought there. Can't be perfect all the time.[/QUOTE] The lengths you're willing to go to be this ignorant are truly astounding. How is anything he just said even remotely unreasonable?

[QUOTE=LSK;51384438]The lengths you're willing to go to be this ignorant are truly astounding. How is anything he just said even remotely unreasonable?[/QUOTE] Ignorance? Far from. All of you have unrealistic expectations for law enforcement. Believe it or not, we're human and can make mistakes. Sometimes its like this and then you're fucked for life. Other times it's you in the casket. If you want perfection, stay on the internet because it doesn't exist in real life. You have zero grounds to say he never deserved to be a cop. No supporting evidence that he was unfit for the job. He makes a fatal error due to fixation on a weapon when talking to a potential robbery suspect and you all jump off the deep end. [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] I should also mention that I support the charges. I thought the prosecutor did a great job explaining why they were brought and why the use of deadly force was outside of statute.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51385684]Ignorance? Far from. All of you have unrealistic expectations for law enforcement. Believe it or not, we're human and can make mistakes. Sometimes its like this and then you're fucked for life. Other times it's you in the casket. If you want perfection, stay on the internet because it doesn't exist in real life. You have zero grounds to say he never deserved to be a cop. No supporting evidence that he was unfit for the job. He makes a fatal error due to fixation on a weapon when talking to a potential robbery suspect and you all jump off the deep end. [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] I should also mention that I support the charges. I thought the prosecutor did a great job explaining why they were brought and why the use of deadly force was outside of statute.[/QUOTE] I think police officers are human in the same way every criminal is human, from the non violent drug offenders to the serial killers and lunatic gunmen. I do wish police in the united states remembered this more often, though. It feels disingenuous to give police who break the rules a free pass when the profession is literally about not giving people a free pass for their mistakes.