• Atheism as state religion
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Well, not really atheism, my bad. What I really mean is no religion, but preferable agnosticism. What I mean is, apart from some communist countries, I havent't seen any other country with no state religion. That's understandable, but while in some countries the importance of religion is becoming less and less, I haven't seen any political party yet who supports the antitheistic idea of banning (not bannig, sorry, more like removing it's key role in society) all religion. Not even a populistic / one-issue party. People keep on blaming and saying bad things about one religion, like Muslims or Jews, but the fact is that ALL religions should be treated as, well, they're all religions and the negatives outweight the positives. It degrade in the hierarchy of society. I think it's time for people to realise this and when blacktalking any religion, they should do it for all of them. I'm not saying we should purge our countries and start eradicating believers a la holocaust, but just make it less important, it shouldn't play such a big role as it does nowadays. And for the record, I'm not trying to be racist here, it's just that I think there's a need for change, since it causes more bad than good. Oh, and another thing, I'm not really atheistic myself. Sorry for the misleading title, I know a lot of people are Atheistic in here (see census), and think Atheism is also a religion. I'm more talking about antitheism, which is in some way linked to Atheism. Kinda my first big post here since my signup, hope it ain't a shitty one. Tl;dr State religion must lower it's importance significantly, as it causes more bad than good. Opinions? Oh, and please keep it civilized, just an idea, not trying to provoke anything.
Atheism isn't a religion. You can't get rid of Religion because there will always be the little bit of people's brains that tell them that there's an old man in the clouds running the show.
[QUOTE=The_Fly56556;21780386]Atheism isn't a religion. You can't get rid of Religion because there will always be the little bit of people's brains that tell them that there's an old man in the clouds running the show.[/QUOTE] But with atheism you still believe in something (if just atheistic, nothig else), just like any other religion. You believe in the absence of something. Also, I don't say religion must be gone, that can't be done ofcourse, just lower it's significance.
Separation of Church and State is necessary, but I don't think that will happen now, not in some countries at least. But it seems that the world is moving towards Atheism and Agnosticism, and in a few generations lying, creationist cowards will be a very small part of the population.
It shouldn't be forced by anyone. Educate people instead.
[QUOTE=Shammah;21780484]But with atheism you still believe in something (if just atheistic, nothig else), just like any other religion. You believe in the absence of something. Also, I don't say religion must be gone, that can't be done ofcourse, just lower it's significance.[/QUOTE] Atheism is the ABSENCE of belief in a deity not belief there is none.
it's the right of the people to worship whatever diety they want to say otherwise makes you a tyrannical dick we're already on the way to secularism via the progressive movement
[QUOTE=Shammah;21780484]But with atheism you still believe in something (if just atheistic, nothig else), just like any other religion. You believe in the absence of something. Also, I don't say religion must be gone, that can't be done ofcourse, just lower it's significance.[/QUOTE] What? Are you thinking of agnostic?
Religion has no place in the government of a modern society.
[QUOTE=Shammah;21780484]But with atheism you still believe in something (if just atheistic, nothig else), just like any other religion. You believe in the absence of something. Also, I don't say religion must be gone, that can't be done ofcourse, just lower it's significance.[/QUOTE] "An atheist has to know a lot more than I do." - Carl Sagan Just educate people and use Agnosticism as state religion, that should do the trick. Agnosticism: For those who truly don't give a flying fuck.
[QUOTE=bravehat;21780505]Atheism is the ABSENCE of belief in a deity not belief there is none.[/QUOTE] that's the same thing if you're trying to be picky -1+1=0 1+-1=0
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21780524]"An atheist has to know a lot more than I do." - Carl Sagan Just educate people and use Agnosticism as state religion, that should do the trick. Agnosticism: For those who truly don't give a flying fuck.[/QUOTE] I would say that agnosticism is for people with more open minds. Believing that there is or is not a god absolutely without proof either way is foolish
I'm in favor of seperation of church and state too. Our laws don't need to reflect the teachings of the bible, since when we die, it'll be God who judges us all anyway. He can enforce his own rules. Well, from a christian point of view at least. Although I suppose I'm somewhat bittered by the 'get out of jail free' card which religion has become on occassion. I've heard of a church somewhere in the US which is allowed to use an illegal hallucagenic as part of their worship. But from a secular perspective, how is that different from recreational use?
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[QUOTE=Shammah;21780378]Well, not really atheism, my bad. What I mean is, apart from some communist countries, I havent't seen any other country with no state religion. That's understandable, but while in some countries the importance of religion is becoming less and less, I haven't seen any political party yet who supports the antitheistic idea of banning (not bannig, sorry, more like removing it's key role in society) all religion. Not even a populistic / one-issue party. People keep on blaming and saying bad things about one religion, like Muslims or Jews, but the fact is that ALL religions should be treated as, well, they're all religions and the negatives outweight the positives. It degrade in the hierarchy of society. I think it's time for people to realise this and when blacktalking any religion, they should do it for all of them. I'm not saying we should purge our countries and start eradicating believers a la holocaust, but just make it less important, it shouldn't play such a big role as it does nowadays. And for the record, I'm not trying to be racist here, it's just that I think there's a need for change, since it causes more bad than good. Oh, and another thing, I'm not really atheistic myself. Sorry for the misleading title, I know a lot of people are Atheistic in here (see census), and think Atheism is also a religion. I'm more talking about antitheism, which is in some way linked to Atheism. Kinda my first big post here since my signup, hope it ain't a shitty one. Tl;dr State religion must be gone, causes more bad than good. Opinions? Oh, and please keep it civilized, just an idea, not trying to provoke anything.[/QUOTE] To my knowledge, virtually no Western nation has a "state" religion. In the U.S., the Government is supposed to favor all religions equally.
isnt china supposed to be religiously void?
ho boy another atheism is best thread
[QUOTE=Washer Roth;21780598]ho boy another atheism is best thread[/QUOTE] Not really. "Seperation of chuch and state is the way forward" isn't even close to "athiesm is the only truth".
[QUOTE=Washer Roth;21780598]ho boy another atheism is best thread[/QUOTE] ho boy you didn't read the OP.
What OP is talking about is a secular country. and yes, it is a brilliant idea
Why settle with state religion? I'm more of a "Get rid of all religion" bloke.
[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21780693]Why settle with state religion? I'm more of a "Get rid of all religion" bloke.[/QUOTE] I'd say a secular state is the step in between what we have now and what you've described.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21780549]I would say that agnosticism is for people with more open minds. Believing that there is or is not a god absolutely without proof either way is foolish[/QUOTE] There's proof there's no God. It's more of proving something and disproving something at the same time. Basically Evolution is well on it's way to being proven, if not already, and that pretty much disproves about every religion out there. To put it more simply, we've proven some religious things fake. Christianity has no proof, however.
There should be separation of church and state, but we should never, [b]ever[/b] ban religion. "Oh you can't think this way. If you think this way you will get thrown in jail." Does that fucking sound right to you? If so, you're a piece of egotistical shit. Religion is a way of thinking, and the day the thought police arrive is the day freedom is dead.
[QUOTE=Jund;21780717]There should be separation of church and state, but we should never, [B]ever[/B] ban religion. "Oh you can't think this way. If you think this way you will get thrown in jail." Does that fucking sound right to you? If so, you're a piece of egotistical shit. Religion is a way of thinking, and the day the thought police arrive is the day freedom is dead.[/QUOTE] He said ban state religion. Basically have no religion be in a whole area. So in other words, have a bad reading.
[QUOTE=Zally13;21780716]There's proof there's no God. It's more of proving something and disproving something at the same time. Basically Evolution is well on it's way to being proven, if not already, and that pretty much disproves about every religion out there. To put it more simply, we've proven some religious things fake. Christianity has no proof, however.[/QUOTE] We've disproven Bible bullshit, but a higher being, that might never be proved or disproved because "lol he's in his own higher dimension not bound by physics xD" Like Russel's Teapot, you cannot prove it either right or wrong, why not discard it altogether?
Unfortunately OP has little grasp of religion besides of what goes on in the spotlight. [QUOTE=Zally13;21780716]There's proof there's no God. It's more of proving something and disproving something at the same time. Basically Evolution is well on it's way to being proven, if not already, and that pretty much disproves about every religion out there. To put it more simply, we've proven some religious things fake. Christianity has no proof, however.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be a Creationist to be a Christian. Creationism is what those lousy fundamentalists believe.
State-mandated atheism is a stupid idea. State-mandated agnosticism is slightly less stupid, but the state should take no part in encouraging or discouraging you from pursuing a religious ideal. The rules change for nations that are 98% religious; in that case, it's justifiable to enact laws and social policies that coincide with people's beliefs. [QUOTE=Kade;21780595]isnt china supposed to be religiously void?[/QUOTE] China is largely religious. Where do you think the Buddhists and Taoists are?
[QUOTE=lemming77;21780558]I'm in favor of seperation of church and state too. Our laws don't need to reflect the teachings of the bible, since when we die, it'll be God who judges us all anyway. He can enforce his own rules. Well, from a christian point of view at least. Although I suppose I'm somewhat bittered by the 'get out of jail free' card which religion has become on occassion. I've heard of a church somewhere in the US which is allowed to use an illegal hallucagenic as part of their worship. But from a secular perspective, how is that different from recreational use?[/QUOTE] It's native americans not allowed to use mescaline/peyote I think in certain ceremonies. Which honestly should be fine, it's tradition and it's not like they rub it peoples faces, it's kept to themselves so things should be fine.
many of you are generalizing the beliefs of atheists we as atheists do not know 100% that god exists, we just BELIEVE that god does not exist. for there is no evidence what so ever that god does exist. this is not admitting the possibility that god does exist, for one cannot disprove the existence of an invisible pink unicorn in the middle of our living rooms. all in all, the burden of evidence lies with those who make the claim. as for atheism being a state "belief" (or whatever you will), that sounds absolutely tyrannical (and possibly draconian), and i don't believe any reasonable or rational atheist would want that. as an atheist, i simply want a more secular world and using the soviet union as an example for an "atheist ran country", is sort of ridiculous. they promoted did get rid of the russian orthodox church temporarily, but they replaced it with Stalinism (which is arguably its very own belief system); furthermore, the russian orthodox church was allowed to come back
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