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[B]LSD and MDMA 'should be decriminalised,' says former drug advisor Professor David Nutt
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[/B]Drugs such as LSD and MDMA should be decriminalised and sold in pharmacies, the government's former chief drug advisor has said.
Professor David Nutt said that many substances currently banned are no more toxic than alcohol and that the potential penalty and criminal record which go with them amount to more harm than the drugs themselves.
"They should be decriminalised, there is no doubt about that. It is clear, if you are using a drug less dangerous than alcohol, that is a rational choice. If, like crack cocaine, it is more harmful of course, that is different. Addiction is also another matter but it requires treatment," he told reporters yesterday.
He added that he was not in favour of full legalisation and "selling heroin in supermarkets" but said a system whereby drugs - including Class A substances - were sold in pharmacies could work.
Professor Nutt said: "It is clear that the best way of preventing people from coming to harm is education. People need to know what they are doing. I do not see any reason why people should not access drugs like cannabis or MDMA through a pharmacy.
"At least then, you would know what you are getting. You could then deal with the issues under things like trade laws; that would give people a great deal of safety. When PCP was being made available in New Zealand, under this system, it was made by companies to a very high quality."
But he added that he would not advocate people being allowed to simply buy up stocks of the most harmful drugs, like heroin.
Professor Nutt was sacked by the government nearly three years ago after a turbulent relationship with two Home Secretaries: Jacqui Smith and Alan Johnson, who sacked him after comparing the dangers of drug use with the dangers of horse riding.
He argued he was simply trying to provide perspective on the perils and, as he left the unpaid post, accused ministers of undermining scientists.
Launching his book "Drugs - without the hot air" yesterday, he also claimed that the criminalisation of many drugs which may have medicinal benefits has dealt a greater blow to science than the opposition to stem cell research.
He claimed that difficulties with obtaining licenses and reliable samples of the most tightly controlled substances meant that potentially helpful drugs were not being researched.
"Before LSD was banned in 1965, there were lots of studies done, since then, there has been one," he said.
A spokesman for the Home Office did not respond to requests for comment.
A Home Office spokesperson said: "The Home Office licensing regime enables bona fide institutions to carry out scientific research on controlled substances while ensuring necessary safeguards are in place."[/QUOTE]
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I agree, especially with this part 'potential penalty and criminal record which go with them amount to more harm than the drugs themselves.'.
This is definitely a step in the right direction. The people who take these drugs aren't criminals, and both drugs are very very safe. They also both have therapeutic qualities.
Yeah, one of the biggest risks about these two drugs currently is being sold dodgy/fake shit.
[QUOTE=Lick;36193345]This is definitely a step in the right direction. The people who take these drugs aren't criminals, and both drugs are very very safe. They also both have therapeutic qualities.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.
Prof David Nutts been saying this for years, it's why the government sacked him, no-one official will listen though.
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[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
Only if you're an idiot and do a massive amount your first time
Not sure about MDMA, that shit does not sound safe. At all.
id be ok with them being securely sold in pharmacies and such, lsd is some pretty grimey shit tho
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;36193379]Not sure about MDMA, that shit does not sound safe. At all.[/QUOTE]
MDMA itself is actually safe as houses, the problem is the shit it ends up cut with and if you don't keep yourself hydrated.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
ed : I agree with him saying that gvt. controlled drugs at least means great quality cause it's made by actual buisnesses instead of street deals, where every middleman takes a share and cuts the shit more and more.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/QUOTE]
I too enjoy talking shit about things which I have no idea about.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;36193365]I'm not sure if you've ever taken LSD before, but it is not 'very very' safe.
If anything it'll scare you more so than any other movie, game, or person could.
[B]Not sure MDMA, I'm sure it's used for the same reason LSD is.[/B][/QUOTE]
As Callius said, if you're an idiot and go like "IM GONA DO DWUGS!!!!!!!" then yeah, you can get a trauma.
Stuff like this is not for idiots.
Also, no.
There are probably a lot of drugs that are not documented. I'm fairly sure there have been many concoctions over the last hundreds of years other than LSD that have psychedelic properties.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;36193379]Not sure about MDMA, that shit does not sound safe. At all.[/QUOTE]
The more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193426]There are probably a lot of drugs that are not documented. I'm fairly sure there have been many concoctions over the last hundreds of years other than LSD that have psychedelic properties.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but the thing about LSD is it's one of the most potent, it requires such a tiny tiny amount to be produce an effect in your system, it's amazing actually just how potent the shit is.
[quote=wikipedia]A single dose of LSD may be between 100 and 500 micrograms—an amount roughly equal to one-tenth the mass of a grain of sand. Threshold effects can be felt with as little as 25 micrograms of LSD.[7][71] Dosages of LSD are measured in micrograms (µg), or millionths of a gram. By comparison, dosages of most drugs, both recreational and medicinal, are measured in milligrams (mg), or thousandths of a gram. For example, an active dose of mescaline, roughly 0.2 to 0.5g, has effects comparable to 100 µg or less of LSD.[/quote]
it's like anything, if you over do it, it's going to bite you.
a couple of drinks with your mates every few weeks is unlikely to do you any harm. just as taking a reasonable dose of mdma every few months isn't going to either.
bosh 20 pills every weekend and it's going to go south rather quickly
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[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193454]Yeah but the thing about LSD is it's one of the most potent, it requires such a tiny tiny amount to be produce an effect in your system, it's amazing actually just how potent the shit is.[/QUOTE]
it's not that potent...
there's some synthetic opiods that are active at half a microgram. that's 400 times less than a 200ug dose of lsd.
If it's legal, it'll reduce the amount of drugs floating around that are cut with harmful chemicals.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36193454]Yeah but the thing about LSD is it's one of the most potent, it requires such a tiny tiny amount to be produce an effect in your system, it's amazing actually just how potent the shit is.[/QUOTE]
Well it wouldn't be much good if it wasn't effective.
But in tiny places like villages around the world, they probably have their own selection of drugs that might be more effective than what the western world has. But over there it isn't a black market because they are happy.
[QUOTE=joe588;36193455]it's like anything, if you over do it, it's going to bite you.
a couple of drinks with your mates every few weeks is unlikely to do you any harm. just as taking a reasonable dose of mdma every few months isn't going to either.
bosh 20 pills every weekend and it's going to go south rather quickly
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it's not that potent...
there's some synthetic opiods that are active at half a microgram. that's 400 times less than a 200ug dose of lsd.[/QUOTE]
It's still pretty potent compared to the threshold required for a lot of other substances to have an effect on your body.
LSD is definetly safe enough to be decriminalized
well most of the common ones i agree. the obscure new drugs that are being developed, a lot of them are extremely potent as the molecules get more complex
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[QUOTE=Stormcharger;36193508]LSD is definetly safe enough to be decriminalized[/QUOTE]
all drugs are
it's just the matter of how they should be distributed
Drug education needs to revamped anyway. All the shit they told me in grade school was total garbage.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;36193538]Drug education needs to revamped anyway. All the shit they told me in grade school was total garbage.[/QUOTE]
education needs to be revamped as a whole, the problem with making one part of it open minded means you either cant have it or the whole thing needs to be open minded
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all drugs are
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People are more likely to misuse drugs than anything else.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193644]People are more likely to misuse drugs than anything else.[/QUOTE]
well in all fairness, you can purchase a knife but 99.99% of people don't go out and stab someone as soon as they buy it, or slash their own wrists etc. A great deal of people have the ability to buy alcohol, or glue freely and don't fuck themselves up on that every night; so why, if drugs were treated the same in society and children were educated to know the [i]facts[/i] not some stuffy MP's opinion, it doesn't take much to understand that kids and adults alike wouldn't abuse them.
[QUOTE=Bobie;36193677]well in all fairness, you can purchase a knife but 99.99% of people don't go out and stab someone as soon as they buy it, or slash their own wrists etc. A great deal of people have the ability to buy alcohol, or glue freely and don't fuck themselves up on that every night; so why, if drugs were treated the same in society and children were educated to know the [i]facts[/i] not some stuffy MP's opinion, it doesn't take much to understand that kids and adults alike wouldn't abuse them.[/QUOTE]
People have used this "no basis" argument here a dozen times.
But people don't feel good when they kill themselves.
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193644]People are more likely to misuse drugs than anything else.[/QUOTE]
eh?
I'm not against drinking either, but cocaine is something that could send a society out of control.
the debate is decriminalisation not legalisation. do you really believe you should be criminalised for your choice in what you consume?
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193691]People have used this "no basis" argument here a dozen times.
But people don't feel good when they kill themselves.[/QUOTE]
but conditioning is the basis of all logic processes you can understand, do you not agree? if there were no social stigma against rape, ala the dark ages, do you not think it would be far more prevalent? why choose to ignore where i mentioned alcohol and glue?
[QUOTE=AK'z;36193704]I'm not against drinking either, but cocaine is something that could send a society out of control.[/QUOTE]
why
millions of people use coke with few ill effects. not everyone becomes a raging coke fiend.
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