EU Commissioner Reveals He Will Simply Ignore Any Rejection Of ACTA By European Parliament Next Week - Polidicks

The day before the EU's International Trade committee (INTA) recommended that the European Parliament should reject ACTA, the EU commissioner with responsibility for the treaty, Karel De Gucht, had given a speech to its members, trying to win them over. Although it was short, it turns out to be highly revealing about the European Commission's future ACTA strategy. Here's what he said: If you decide for a negative vote before the European Court rules, let me tell you that the Commission will nonetheless continue to pursue the current procedure before the Court, as we are entitled to do. A negative vote will not stop the proceedings before the Court of Justice. That is, whatever happens next week, the European Commission will wait for the European Court of Justice (ECJ) to rule on whether ACTA is compatible with EU law. If it is found to be incompatible, De Gucht admits that rather than accept this ruling, the European Commission will try to find some trick to circumvent it: If the Court questions the conformity of the agreement with the Treaties we will assess at that stage how this can be addressed. This implicitly confirms that the referral was simply a way to buy time, rather than an honest question about ACTA's legality. Even assuming the ECJ rules eventually that ACTA is compatible, there could still be a problem if, in the meantime, the European Parliament has voted not to ratify it. Here's what De Gucht says he would do in that case: First, I would consider proposing some clarifications to ACTA. For example on enforcement in the digital environment. We could look at this in the light of the discussions you will have had on legislative proposals which the European Commission is set to put before the Parliament and the Council. Or for example, we could seek to clarify further the meaning of 'commercial scale'. Remember that ACTA is now signed, and cannot be altered; so De Gucht is instead trying to fob off European politicians with this vague idea of "clarifications" -- as if more vagueness could somehow rectify the underlying problems of an already dangerously-vague treaty. That's clearly just a sop; here's the real plan: Second, once we will have identified and discussed these possible clarifications, I would intend to make a second request for consent to the European Parliament. Whether the Parliament will consider it under this legislature or the subsequent one, will be for you to decide. This is an extraordinary admission. De Gucht says that even if the European Parliament unequivocally refuses to ratify ACTA next week, he will simply ignore that result, and re-submit it at a later date. [url]http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120625/12333619468/eu-commissioner-reveals-he-will-simply-ignore-any-rejection-acta-european-parliament-next-week.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter[/url]

Ignoring democracy seems to be a running trend these days.

Oh look, public corruption. We're turning into the United States :/

I wonder how much money they had to showe down the commissioner's throat for him to go full retard like this.

[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;36497123]Oh look, public corruption. We're turning into the United States :/[/QUOTE] Hey, we aren't corr.. Oh who am I kidding. We're fucked.

The main problem with the governments in europe and america is that their peoples haven't put fear into them by arming themselves and getting rid of them, by bloody means or otherwise. They, the governments, are unafraid. In fact, we're conditioned to think that revolution is a crazy idea. The truth is, money can only purchase so much. Some things, like the rule of democracy, can only be purchased with blood. Then again, quite a few european peoples have lain down and let their governments either restrict access to, or even outright take their rifles, pistols, and even some primitive weapons like muzzleloaders or long knives. They aren't afraid of you anymore, and rightly so. You gonna depose them with sticks and stones? Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption. [I]"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."[/I] -Unknown, though usually attributed to either Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, or Thomas Paine. [SUB]Now, I know this may seem a little of a brash statement regarding the topic of this discussion, but I speak in regards to corruption of governments in general. Broadened the discussion, if you will.[/SUB]

Hardly surprising. I wonder how long it'll take before the mass hordes of FP people coming in and claiming this is something completely different from whats being said and then blindly defending the EU once more. Why don't you three who rated me dumb, actually post something in the thread? Or can't you, because you know I am right?

[QUOTE=The fox;36497519]Hardly surprising. I wonder how long it'll take before the mass hordes of FP people coming in and claiming this is something completely different from whats being said and then blindly defending the EU once more.[/QUOTE] i dunno, the general consensus on FP is anti-EU

Feel bad for you EU.

In the name of Belgium, I apologise for everything De Gucht does. Apparently his blatant corruption, fraud and tax evasion hasn't prevented him from having power. :(

This makes it really hard for me to support anti-piracy measures, dammit

[QUOTE=Irkalla;36497508]The main problem with the governments in europe and america is that their peoples haven't put fear into them by arming themselves and getting rid of them, by bloody means or otherwise. They, the governments, are unafraid. In fact, we're conditioned to think that revolution is a crazy idea. The truth is, money can only purchase so much. Some things, like the rule of democracy, can only be purchased with blood. Then again, quite a few european peoples have lain down and let their governments either restrict access to, or even outright take their rifles, pistols, and even some primitive weapons like muzzleloaders or long knives. They aren't afraid of you anymore, and rightly so. You gonna depose them with sticks and stones? Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption. [I]"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."[/I] -Unknown, though usually attributed to either Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, or Thomas Paine. [SUB]Now, I know this may seem a little of a brash statement regarding the topic of this discussion, but I speak in regards to corruption of governments in general. Broadened the discussion, if you will.[/SUB][/QUOTE] is this satire

[QUOTE=The fox;36497519] Why don't you three who rated me dumb, actually post something in the thread? Or can't you, because you know I am right?[/QUOTE] The point of rating you dumb is so that they can express their opinion about your post without actually having to reply. You've clearly missed the purpose of the rating system.

[QUOTE=The fox;36497519]Hardly surprising. I wonder how long it'll take before the mass hordes of FP people coming in and claiming this is something completely different from whats being said and then blindly defending the EU once more. Why don't you three who rated me dumb, actually post something in the thread? Or can't you, because you know I am right?[/QUOTE] I rated you dumb and I'll post. I posted to tell you I rated you dumb because you're being dumb. On topic, this all just sounds messed up. I don't like how people think their authority gives them the right to do as they please. Power is not a birthright, it's a privilege that can and should be taken away if abused.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36498168]is this satire[/QUOTE] Nope, dead serious. At least, for now. Also what the hell did you do to your avatar? Didn't know who you were, at first. I actually had to look at your name. I can't be the only one that knows people by avatar.

[QUOTE=Irkalla;36498217]Nope, dead serious. At least, for now. Also what the hell did you do to your avatar? Didn't know who you were, at first. I actually had to look at your name. I can't be the only one that knows people by avatar.[/QUOTE] "Democracy can only be purchased with blood" Right, because the subcontinent of India won freedom from the British Empire in a bloody and protracted war of independence.

[QUOTE=Irkalla;36497508]The main problem with the governments in europe and america is that their peoples haven't put fear into them by arming themselves and getting rid of them, by bloody means or otherwise. They, the governments, are unafraid. In fact, we're conditioned to think that revolution is a crazy idea. The truth is, money can only purchase so much. Some things, like the rule of democracy, can only be purchased with blood. Then again, quite a few european peoples have lain down and let their governments either restrict access to, or even outright take their rifles, pistols, and even some primitive weapons like muzzleloaders or long knives. They aren't afraid of you anymore, and rightly so. You gonna depose them with sticks and stones? Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption. [I]"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."[/I] -Unknown, though usually attributed to either Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, or Thomas Paine. [SUB]Now, I know this may seem a little of a brash statement regarding the topic of this discussion, but I speak in regards to corruption of governments in general. Broadened the discussion, if you will.[/SUB][/QUOTE] Arabian Spring says hi. You don't need guns for a revolution. Besides, the US would never have a revolution, because the majority of the population is brainwashed to such a degree that they'd sooner take up weapons against all dem goshdarned domestic terr'rists rather than fight for freedom. Europeans may not be armed, but at least we can tell when our governments are trying to fuck us up the ass. Meanwhile, Americans are worried whether their president is too black or not religious enough.

So what's happened here? The EU Commissioner for Trade has said that if the European Parliament rejects ACTA, he'll... ASK THEM AGAIN Woaaah he desperately needs the approval of an elected body, this is the death of democracy we need an armed uprising to show these fuckers who's the boss!!!

OP, the title is really sensationalist. if it's denied all he can do is ask again but rephrase the question in a way that would mean they [I][B]might[/B][/I] accidentally pass it. he hasn't got any abilitiy to pass it by himself, everyone still needs to agree on it.

[QUOTE=Irkalla;36497508]The main problem with the governments in europe and america is that their peoples haven't put fear into them by arming themselves and getting rid of them, by bloody means or otherwise. They, the governments, are unafraid. In fact, we're conditioned to think that revolution is a crazy idea. The truth is, money can only purchase so much. Some things, like the rule of democracy, can only be purchased with blood. Then again, quite a few european peoples have lain down and let their governments either restrict access to, or even outright take their rifles, pistols, and even some primitive weapons like muzzleloaders or long knives. They aren't afraid of you anymore, and rightly so. You gonna depose them with sticks and stones? Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption. [I]"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."[/I] -Unknown, though usually attributed to either Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, or Thomas Paine. [SUB]Now, I know this may seem a little of a brash statement regarding the topic of this discussion, but I speak in regards to corruption of governments in general. Broadened the discussion, if you will.[/SUB][/QUOTE] "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~~Call Of Dutyz~~

Some very silly replies in this thread. If you're talking revolutions and what not over some IP protection agreement you really need to sort out your priorities. There's life beyond the internet. [editline]26th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Irkalla;36497508]The main problem with the governments in europe and america is that their peoples haven't put fear into them by arming themselves and getting rid of them, by bloody means or otherwise. They, the governments, are unafraid. In fact, we're conditioned to think that revolution is a crazy idea. The truth is, money can only purchase so much. Some things, like the rule of democracy, can only be purchased with blood. Then again, quite a few european peoples have lain down and let their governments either restrict access to, or even outright take their rifles, pistols, and even some primitive weapons like muzzleloaders or long knives. They aren't afraid of you anymore, and rightly so. You gonna depose them with sticks and stones? Meanwhile, here in America, people have forgotten why we have our second amendment. It's not just a nice thing, "Oh hey cool you let me have guns, thanks." No. It doesn't say that we have the right to [B]own [/B]arms (though it goes without saying,) we have the right to [B]bear [/B]arms. As in, bear them against our government when they resort to despotism and totalitarianism, and give in to greed and corruption. [I]"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."[/I] -Unknown, though usually attributed to either Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, or Thomas Paine. [SUB]Now, I know this may seem a little of a brash statement regarding the topic of this discussion, but I speak in regards to corruption of governments in general. Broadened the discussion, if you will.[/SUB][/QUOTE] this kid needs sectioning

Oh dear, more dictatorial shit

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;36498700]Oh dear, more dictatorial shit[/QUOTE] You do know the only way he's going to pass it this way is either bribing the shit out of then entire parliament, or annoying them so much they pass it just to shut him up?

If he has enough corporations sucking him off then it wouldn't surprise me if he did that.

Eu's new flag. [IMG]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/097/0/c/Soviet_EU_v_2_by_nmatech.jpg[/IMG]

Why the hammer/sickle?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36498332]"Democracy can only be purchased with blood" Right, because the subcontinent of India won freedom from the British Empire in a bloody and protracted war of independence.[/QUOTE] I think a shining example of peaceful revolution in a dictatorial country is Libya. Protesting and peaceful picketing sure worked out well for them, right? Same for Syria. In all seriousness, it's actually incredibly rare for an entire country's government to be changed peacefully. India is one of those ones that managed to do it peacefully. Although i can't think of any other times in human history that a dictatorship or similar, went away and turned to democracy by way of peaceful protest. Libya turned into a full-fledged revolution after people got tired of their loved ones being attacked and killed in airstrikes and death squads. Syria is just as bad.

[QUOTE=V12US;36499169]Why the hammer/sickle?[/QUOTE] Because the soviets are bad

[QUOTE=smurfy;36498408]So what's happened here? The EU Commissioner for Trade has said that if the European Parliament rejects ACTA, he'll... ASK THEM AGAIN Woaaah he desperately needs the approval of an elected body, this is the death of democracy we need an armed uprising to show these fuckers who's the boss!!![/QUOTE] FFS seriously but you aren't going to convince anyone in SH about that, because then it wouldn't be SH. I don't know when not reading the fucking article became hip but it's getting pretty stupid.

Economy and bureaucracy is at the same level than in Soviet union :v: And many Eu countries have socialist government.