Austria election results: Far-right set to enter government as conservatives top poll - Polidicks

[QUOTE] Austria seems to have elected its youngest ever head of government Austria's far-right is on course to take a place in the country's government after a strong showing in Sunday's parliamentary elections. The country's main conservative party, led by current foreign minister Sebastian Kurz, topped the poll with 31.4 per cent of the vote, but is expected to seek a coalition with the far-right Freedom Party (FPO), which is posting one of its strongest showings on record. Austrian politics appears to have shifted strongly to the right, with early projections showing the conservative OVP up nearly eight per cent and the far-right FPO up around five per cent. Near-final results put the right-wing Freedom Party in second place with 27.4 per cent, while the centre-left Social Democrats (SPO), which has also not ruled out an alliance with the far-right, got 26.7 per cent. The FPO is likely to be a kingmaker in the election, choosing between the two first and second placed parties. The last time the FPO entered government in the year 2000, other EU states briefly imposed diplomatic sanctions on Austria with the aim of forcing the extremists from government. Both the OVP and FPO have called for tightening Austria's borders and quick deportations for rejected asylum seekers. [/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/austria-election-exit-poll-result-sebastian-kurz-ovp-latest-projection-freedom-far-right-a8001811.html[/URL]

Today is a good day, we are on the path of progress.

Pretty good article about the scandals that happened preluding the election: [url]http://www.politico.eu/article/austria-election-scandal-christian-kern-sebastian-kurz-haus-of-cards/[/url] A full-spectrum, deceptive smear campaign commissioned by SPÖ, allegedly followed by efforts of ÖVP to keep running until they would deem it fitting to reveal. It doesn't stop there though, evidence surfaced that a speechwriter closely associated with SPÖ tried to threaten, and later bribe the translator allegedly behind the leaks: [url]https://translate.google.hu/translate?hl=hu?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/nationalratswahl/5298783/Der-naechste-Akt-in-der-SilbersteinCausa%3Fdirect%3D5299145%26%26utm_source%3Dmandiner%26utm_medium%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dmandiner_201710%3B_vl_backlink%3D/home/innenpolitik/nationalratswahl/5299145/index.do%26selChannel%3D[/url]

Progressing straight into early 20s century, yay.

[QUOTE=cartman;52784408]Today is a good day, we are on the path of progress.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Party_of_Austria[/url] [quote]The FPÖ was founded in 1956 as the successor to the short-lived Federation of Independents (VdU), representing the "Third Camp" of Austrian politics, i.e. pan-Germanists and national liberals opposed to both socialism and Catholic clericalism. The party's first leader was Anton Reinthaller, a former Nazi functionary and SS officer. [/quote] [quote]The first FPÖ party leader was Anton Reinthaller, a former Nazi Minister of Agriculture and SS officer.[30] He had been asked by ÖVP Chancellor Julius Raab to take over the movement rather than let it be led by a more socialist-leaning group.[31] While the majority of former Nazis had probably joined the two main parties in absolute numbers, they formed a greater percentage of FPÖ members due to the party's small size....[B]The FPÖ served as a vehicle for them to integrate in the Second Republic[/B][/quote] [quote]Reinthaller was replaced as leader in 1958 by Friedrich Peter (also a former SS officer)[/quote] [quote]In 1983, the right-wing Jörg Haider took over the leadership of the FPÖ's significant Carinthia branch...Haider staunchly supported FPÖ Minister of Defence Friedhelm Frischenschlager when the latter welcomed convicted Waffen-SS war criminal Walter Reder in person when Reder arrived at Graz Airport after his release from Italy[/quote] Yeah, some expect some real progress from a party founded to get Nazis back into Austrian politics and which remained led by Nazis and Nazi sympathizers for decades. And a bonus [quote]Among other things, the party supports the unification of South Tyrol (Italy) with Tyrol (Austria),[19] and, therefore, the South Tyrolean secessionist movement, which notably includes its South Tyrolean sister party Die Freiheitlichen.[/quote] [quote]The earliest post-war activism for South Tyrol's removal from Italy can be found in the South Tyrolean Liberation Committee, which conducted bombings of Italian infrastructure[/quote] Edit: Actually, [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5gl7sb/with_the_austrian_presidential_elections/]give this a read,[/url] it explains it better than I have here. [quote]So, what kind of party is the FPÖ? As can be discerned from its history, it is a party that started off and remained for a very long time a hardly veiled political mouthpiece for Austria's former Nazis and their political agendas. In the 80s Jörg Haider transformed or rather expanded its role as a xenophobic, nationalist, and populist political movement that has since dominated Austrian political discourse constantly normalizing political positions that aim against foreigners and social minorities and whose politics are dominated by extreme rightists and Neo-Nazis.[/quote]

[QUOTE=cartman;52784408]Today is a good day, we are on the path of progress.[/QUOTE] i mean by definition it's literally the opposite of progress

Hahahaha, holy fuck [QUOTE]At the start of this year the FPO leader Heinz-Christian Strache claimed Austria was being “Islamified” and called for a ban on what he referred to as “fascistic Islam” – including Muslim symbols.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;52784458]Progressing straight into early 20s century, yay.[/QUOTE] You realize these two parties formed the coalition government between 2000 and 2007. We've been through this already: EU was afraid of FPÖ being a junior partner, enacted diplomatic measures on Austria in February of 2000, realized they are not a threat, dropped the measures in September.

[QUOTE=cartman;52784408]Today is a good day, we are on the path of progress.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rusty100;52764689]if you're going to be sarcastic it helps not to have other batshit crazy beliefs yourself, otherwise nobody can tell[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kecske;52784488]You realize these two parties formed the coalition government between 2000 and 2007.[/QUOTE] How does that change the party being utter shite?

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;52784504]How does that change the party being utter shite?[/QUOTE] It doesn't, but that doesn't mean the newly formed government will be.

Perhaps since they'll be responsible for whatever silliness happens during their coalition years they'll struggle to keep momentum. When an anti-establishment party becomes the establishment they'll quickly lose support, people will be disillusioned about lack of progress and the party will splinter when they disagree on policy. Look at UKIP, (practically) a single issue party with strong anti-establishment flavour. Quietly confused about its identity (is it economically rightwing with privatised healthcare of the leadership or left wing populism of its working class demographic). When they have no power that ideological difference is overlooked but if they ever gained traction, they would have to address those differences and that would become a rift splitting the party up.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52784369]far-right Freedom Party (FPO)[/QUOTE] what? Freedom and far-right don't go together. You can't create a free society in far-right establishment.

[QUOTE=Mifil;52784777]what? Freedom and far-right don't go together. You can't create a free society in far-right establishment.[/QUOTE] There's a reason fascists always use buzzwords like 'freedom' or 'patriot' in their titles. Democratic People's Republic of Korea, anyone?

[QUOTE=Mifil;52784777]what? Freedom and far-right don't go together. You can't create a free society in far-right establishment.[/QUOTE] Somebody hasn't heard of Anarchist Capitalism or right libertarianism it seems. Also since left and right is highly contextual; It is entirely possible for the right to be more for freedom. The right-wing support to let businesses serve and deny anyone they want is undoubtedly an appeal to freedom, as opposed to the strict control of such behavior by the government. The 2nd amendment is also indicative of more freedom and is considered a right wing ideal in America. Using right/left doesn't determine which policy or group is more for freedom. You really have to just judge from case to case basis on authoritarian to anarchy, and even then that is quite a simplistic way to view things.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52787423]Somebody hasn't heard of Anarchist Capitalism or right libertarianism it seems. Also since left and right is highly contextual; It is entirely possible for the right to be more for freedom. The right-wing support to let businesses serve and deny anyone they want is undoubtedly an appeal to freedom, as opposed to the strict control of such behavior by the government. The 2nd amendment is also indicative of more freedom and is considered a right wing ideal in America. Using right/left doesn't determine which policy or group is more for freedom. You really have to just judge from case to case basis on authoritarian to anarchy, and even then that is quite a simplistic way to view things.[/QUOTE] Usually far right goes along with authoritarianism and conservatism, generally not associated with libertarianism. Also there is far far far more to freedom than gun ownership and choosing not to serve gay/black people. If you want economically right wing but libertarian then the word you're looking for libertarian, not far right ethnostate advocates.

[QUOTE=gtanoofa;52787440]Has any far right wing party that is hard libertarian ever rise to power? I'm legit curious because far right parties are usually authoritarian, especially in Europe. I've only seen ancap and the libertarian right wing rise in the last five years, but i could be wrong.[/QUOTE] Well I would argue most parties of the extreme left/right spectrum tend to be of the authoritarian variant, and those are the ones that typically get in power since people are usually looking for short term fixes by an intermediary force such as a strong government. But you are not wrong to assume such things. I would just say that wasn't really my point; As I am just trying to point out there are indeed cases of far right movements that go for freedom to the point of anarchy. For example, Classical Liberalism is a huge component of western society and thus it is easy to see why left-wing politics seems to be free-er since it was left-wing at the time, but even that set of ideals is shifting over/being observed to the right. Again these are generalizations and why the political spectrum can sometimes not make sense depending on how people orient the chart itself with what they consider to be the extremes.

[QUOTE=gtanoofa;52787440]Has any far right wing party that is hard libertarian ever rise to power? I'm legit curious because far right parties are usually authoritarian, especially in Europe. I've only seen ancap and the libertarian right wing rise in the last five years, but i could be wrong.[/QUOTE] Neoliberal is getting toward that, generally more government control than right libertarian though, since everybody knows right wing rand style libertarianism is as unrealistic as actual (ie stateless post scarcity utopia) Marxism. [editline]17th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;52787457]Well I would argue most parties of the extreme left/right spectrum tend to be of the authoritarian variant, and those are the ones that typically get in power since people are usually looking for short term fixes by an intermediary force such as a strong government. But you are not wrong to assume such things. I would just say that wasn't really my point; As I am just trying to point out there are indeed cases of far right movements that go for freedom to the point of anarchy.[/QUOTE] Accidentally starred. Freedom party in Austria and svboda in Ukraine aren't examples of freedom to the point of anarchy, so your point does not apply and it's sort of a misnomer

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52787460]Neoliberal is getting toward that, generally more government control than right libertarian though, since everybody knows right wing rand style libertarianism is as unrealistic as actual (ie stateless post scarcity utopia) Marxism. [editline]17th October 2017[/editline] Accidentally starred. Freedom party in Austria and svboda in Ukraine aren't examples of freedom to the point of anarchy, so your point does apply and it's sort of a misnomer[/QUOTE] I am very sorry you accidentally starred me. But I think you are aware I am just talking about right/left in general and not how the FPO specifically places.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52787423]Somebody hasn't heard of Anarchist Capitalism or right libertarianism it seems. Also since left and right is highly contextual; It is entirely possible for the right to be more for freedom. The right-wing support to let businesses serve and deny anyone they want is undoubtedly an appeal to freedom, as opposed to the strict control of such behavior by the government. The 2nd amendment is also indicative of more freedom and is considered a right wing ideal in America. Using right/left doesn't determine which policy or group is more for freedom. You really have to just judge from case to case basis on authoritarian to anarchy, and even then that is quite a simplistic way to view things.[/QUOTE] Anarcho-capitalism is a fucking joke and is just an authoritarian ideology where corporations infringe on freedoms instead of governments. It's also pretty valid to call right-wing ideologies anti-freedom when they advocate for infringing on the rights of workers and whatever minorities they decide are bad for whatever dipshit reason.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52787471]I am very sorry you accidentally starred me. But I think you are aware I am just talking about right/left in general and not how the FPO specifically places.[/QUOTE] My bad, it being a thread about the far right fpo party, I thought we were discussing the far right fpo party. Glad we cleared that confusion up [editline]17th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Carlito;52787533]Anarcho-capitalism is a fucking joke and is just an authoritarian ideology where corporations infringe on freedoms instead of governments. It's also pretty valid to call right-wing ideologies anti-freedom when they advocate for infringing on the rights of workers and whatever minorities they decide are bad for whatever dipshit reason.[/QUOTE] Can't infringe on worker rights if they have no rights. Check mate bernie bros

If your idea of freedom implies that you don't have the same rights depending on who you were born to, it's a fucking joke.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52787423]Also since left and right is highly contextual; It is entirely possible for the right to be more for freedom. The right-wing support to let businesses serve and deny anyone they want is undoubtedly an appeal to freedom, as opposed to the strict control of such behavior by the government. The 2nd amendment is also indicative of more freedom and is considered a right wing ideal in America. [/QUOTE] I would argue that this is more an issue of a collision of different people's individual freedoms and the freedoms of an establishment, someone's right to be a part of a certain race, etc other protected classes, and do business, vs the freedom to arbitrarily decline to do business as an establishment. (also as a general point, i think its best to err on the side of the individual rather than the establishment when they come into conflict, as the establishment tends to already have the power in the situation.)

[QUOTE=Tudd;52787423]Somebody hasn't heard of Anarchist Capitalism or right libertarianism it seems. Also since left and right is highly contextual; It is entirely possible for the right to be more for freedom. The right-wing support to let businesses serve and deny anyone they want is undoubtedly an appeal to freedom, as opposed to the strict control of such behavior by the government. The 2nd amendment is also indicative of more freedom and is considered a right wing ideal in America. Using right/left doesn't determine which policy or group is more for freedom. You really have to just judge from case to case basis on authoritarian to anarchy, and even then that is quite a simplistic way to view things.[/QUOTE] I don't see domination by private corporations as any more free than domination by the government. Ancap is the most retarded shit.

Got a little off topic here, for example ancap surely doesn't have to much with Austria (or reality for that matter). This years voter transfer graph (ORF) [t]https://images.scribblelive.com/2017/10/15/62fa51fc-84ba-4a2f-be7f-a8c3d70ba300.jpg[/t] Note just how much more people went from centre-left to (far)-right instead of centre-right! And a pretty good article courtesy of LSE: [URL="http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/10/16/austrias-election-four-things-to-know-about-the-result/"]Austria’s election: Four things to know about the result[/URL], quoted some bits I found particularly important or interesting. [QUOTE][B]1. A shift to the right – not only in the shadow of the “refugee crisis”[/B] (...) Austria was among the EU countries with the highest number of asylum applications in 2015 and 2016. At its peak, more than 50 per cent of Austrians referred to immigration as one of the two most important issues facing the country. At the beginning of 2017, this number was significantly lower (between 30 and 40 per cent), but still substantially higher than it had been from 2005 to 2015. (...) When Kurz took over, the centre-right immediately jumped about 10 per cent. The main reason for this was Kurz’s stances on immigration and integration. Kurz claims to have reduced immigration to Europe by initiating the closure of the Balkan route in February 2016, shortly before the EU agreement with Turkey. Beyond such anti-immigration efforts, the ÖVP has pushed for a “Burqa ban”. Although the ÖVP has not had a liberal approach toward immigration and integration in the past, the extent to which it put immigration and integration at the centre of the party’s platform was certainly novel. The strategy of undermining FPÖ ownership of these issues caused significant electoral gains for the centre-right, at least this year. [/QUOTE] (The situation in the last sentence happened in Hungary a few years ago aswell.) [QUOTE][B]2. The failure of the left[/B] (...) When Kurz took the initiative, it was too late for the SPÖ. During the electoral campaign, Chancellor Kern suffered from poor strategic decisions and, even more so than Martin Schulz in Germany, advisors that destroyed his electoral chances. The party was at the centre of a series of rows, though, curiously, scandals on the centre-right did not produce similar damage for the ÖVP. (...) Already declining in the polls, the Greens were dealt another blow in early summer, when Peter Pilz, one of their former key figures, left the party. In the absence of a successful radical left party in Austria, with the important exception of the Communists in Graz, Pilz formed his own party, pursuing an agenda self-described as “left-wing populism”. Uniquely, however, Pilz combines a left-wing social and economic agenda with pronounced criticism of liberal stances on immigration and integration. [/QUOTE] [I](Progressives hate him! See how one guy managed to push out his old party from the parliament using just one weird trick!)[/I] [QUOTE][B]4. Likely policy outcomes[/B] (...) Leading FPÖ politicians have emphasised the strengthening of direct democratic instruments as a condition for their government participation. As a role model, they point to the Swiss political system, similar to some other contemporary radical right parties. (...) In matters of immigration, not only the ÖVP and FPÖ, but also the SPÖ leadership, agree that “the Mediterranean route has to be closed now” – a demand associated with Kurz. These stances are not too different from some other, rhetorically more liberal Western European governments. On integration, certain policy proposals of the ÖVP and the FPÖ represent textbook cases of “welfare chauvinism”: Both support the reduction of minimum social transfers to recognised asylum seekers, for example. While welfare chauvinism is often understood, or misunderstood, as corresponding to an economic left-wing turn of radical right parties, the FPÖ presented a particularly neoliberal economic manifesto for this year’s election. The latter corresponds to ÖVP taste, too.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Kecske;52787774]Got a little off topic here, for example ancap surely doesn't have to much with Austria (or reality for that matter). This years voter transfer graph (ORF) [t]https://images.scribblelive.com/2017/10/15/62fa51fc-84ba-4a2f-be7f-a8c3d70ba300.jpg[/t] [b]Note just how much more people went from centre-left to (far)-right instead of centre-right![/b] And a pretty good article courtesy of LSE: [URL="http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2017/10/16/austrias-election-four-things-to-know-about-the-result/"]Austria’s election: Four things to know about the result[/URL], quoted some bits I found particularly important or interesting. (The situation in the last sentence happened in Hungary a few years ago aswell.) [I](Progessives hate him! See how one guy managed to push out his old party from the parliament using just one weird trick!)[/I][/QUOTE] A similar thing happened in UK with Labour voters (economically left wing) going over to UKIP (very right wing). I think it comes from a couple of things: 1) Traditional left wing parties adopting a neoliberal agenda - so there is less difference economically between parties 2) Shifts in industry - less primary and secondary industry => diminished influence of labour unions 3) Shifts in voter priorities - people who used to vote left (on economic or identity grounds) might now vote for right (UKIP) (prioritising their socially conservative "right wing" views over their economically left wing views) Result is working class people voting for hardcore right wing conservatism. People who the year previously voted for Labour and increasing the NHS budget now voting for UKIP that wants to privatise the NHS and education. Misinformation plays a role too: one of the reasons people support UKIP is its anti eu stance claiming that the free trade is losing us jobs, but at the same time UKIP advocates for increased free trade with other countries, people either don't know this or have a cognitive dissonance thing going on. Perhaps also social views have changed, Labour has definitely aligned itself with social liberalism/progressiveism which might be isolating the socially conservative section of the working class.

At least here in Denmark, the hard right party is hard right on immigration, but pretty left leaning when it comes to welfare and stuff. Obviously one issue took precedence (immigration), which is why they have been supporting the liberal government for a long time - fairly recently they started flirting with the left, though, as the left has taken up more xenophobic stances to recoup voters. They're still propping up the current government, though.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52788086]At least here in Denmark, the hard right party is hard right on immigration, but pretty left leaning when it comes to welfare and stuff. Obviously one issue took precedence (immigration), which is why they have been supporting the liberal government for a long time - fairly recently they started flirting with the left, though, as the left has taken up more xenophobic stances to recoup voters. They're still propping up the current government, though.[/QUOTE] The left are pampering cowards. They literally don't care about the average citizen, only themselves.