Impact assessments of Brexit on the UK 'don't exist' - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42249854"]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42249854[/URL] [QUOTE]The government has not carried out any impact assessments of leaving the EU on the UK economy, Brexit Secretary David Davis has told MPs. Mr Davis said the usefulness of such assessments would be "near zero" because of the scale of change Brexit is likely to cause. He said the government had produced a "sectoral analysis" of different industries but not a "forecast" of what would happen when the UK leaves the EU. Labour called it a "shambles". The Liberal Democrats said impact assessments were urgently needed while the SNP called it an "ongoing farce". Mr Davis said a "very major contingency planning operation" was in place for Brexit. At Wednesday morning's Brexit committee hearing, chairman Hilary Benn asked whether impact assessments had been carried out into various parts of the economy, listing the automotive, aerospace and financial sectors. "I think the answer's going to be no to all of them," Mr Davis responded. When Mr Benn suggested this was "strange", the minister said formal assessments were not needed to know that "regulatory hurdles" would have an impact, describing Brexit as a "paradigm change" of similar impact to the financial crash, which could not be predicted. "I am not a fan of economic models because they have all proven wrong," he said. There has been a long-running row over the government's Brexit studies and their publication. A year ago Mr Davis said his department was "in the midst of carrying out about 57 sets of analyses" on different parts of the economy. MPs have been pushing for the documents to be published, and on 1 November the Commons passed a motion to release "Brexit impact assessments" to the Brexit Committee of MPs. In response, the government said this motion "misunderstood" what the documents actually were, but has since provided an edited set of reports to the committee. Mr Davis told the MPs this represented "getting as close as we can to meeting what we took to be the intent of Parliament". A "quantitative economic forecast of outcome" does not exist, he said. "That is not there. We have not done that. What is there is the size of the industry, the employment and so on." Mr Davis also said there was no "systematic impact assessment".[/QUOTE] I was wrong about it being the wrong time for an election in the UK, cause at this rate we're all fucked regardless. NOTE: know another post was updated with this but this really deserved a separate thread. EDIT: another source [URL="https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1206/925373-brexit-documents/"]https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1206/925373-brexit-documents/[/URL] [QUOTE]Britain's Brexit minister has been accused of misleading parliament after admitting the government has made no formal assessment of the likely impact of EU withdrawal on different sectors of the UK economy. Brexit Secretary David Davis told the House of Commons Exiting the EU Committee that the usefulness of an assessment of this kind would be "near zero" because of the scale of change which Brexit is likely to cause. Leaving the EU will provoke a "paradigm change" in the UK economy on a similar order of magnitude to the financial crash of 2008, making economic forecast models unlikely to be "informative", he told MPs. Mr Davis was appearing before the committee to defend his failure to deliver the 58 impact assessments demanded by a parliamentary motion last month, handing over instead 850 pages of heavily-edited "sectoral analyses" setting out detail about the current position of different parts of the economy. He told MPs as early as last December that his department was "in the midst of carrying out about 57 sets of analyses" on different parts of the economy. And in October, he told the Brexit committee that British Prime Minister Theresa May had read "summary outcomes" of impact assessments, which he said went into "excruciating detail". However today he told the committee that "no systematic impact assessments" had in fact been carried out.[/QUOTE]

how fucking typical my supreme intolerance for this shitshow of a government increases with every day that passes literally, why on earth is the house of commons not just going "right this is ridiculous, let's just can the whole thing. We'll get a minor fucking in the ass by the EU, but at least that's better than starving to death from our own doing".

utter folly

Cancel the whole fucking thing it's obviously not going to work lmao

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;52951446]how fucking typical my supreme intolerance for this shitshow of a government increases with every day that passes literally, why on earth is the house of commons not just going "right this is ridiculous, let's just can the whole thing. We'll get a minor fucking in the ass by the EU, but at least that's better than starving to death from our own doing".[/QUOTE] Because if they still force the leave they can still blame everything that goes wrong on "insert other group who isn't us here" and maybe cling to power.

Please, pro-Brexit posters (I know you exist), please tell me how Brexit isn't a completely fucking awful idea at this point.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52951474]Please, pro-Brexit posters (I know you exist), please tell me how Brexit isn't a completely fucking awful idea at this point.[/QUOTE] You just need to show more confidence, we don't really know whether it's going to be completely bad or whether some good will come out of it, who knows, we might even get our British Empire back again :downs:

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52951438]"I am not a fan of economic models because they have all proven wrong," he said. [/QUOTE] imagine this being the reason you didn't do your goddamn job david davis had two jobs: negotiate brexit with the eu, and forecast the impact of brexit on the uk. he's done neither of those things. sack the piece of shit, and also boris johnson whilst we're [del]purging[/del] reshuffling the cabinet. -edit- just to touch upon his abortion of an ""excuse"" even more, he's trying to justify his actions by saying that the economic models of the 2008 global crash were wrong. He's right: the models didn't predict how horrible it was going to be. In most cases where the models are wrong, the outcome is a horrible financial crash. hell he even ADMITS that the impact of brexit is going to be similar, or worse than, the 2008 crash which begs the question [B]why are we doing it then.[/B] if the chief government ~expert~ on brexit is telling us that the consequences will be the worst financial crash in living memory then MAYBE, just MAYBE, we shouldn't do it. let me repeat that: the government official who's job it is to deliver brexit is telling us that we will face an economic downturn greater than both the Great Depression and the 2008 crash, the last of which is still fresh in people's minds. a crash which spurred on nine years of austerity which earlier this year we learned achieved nothing. so that is a massive increase in unemployment, debt, cutting of services and glacially slow social mobility. this is what the chief voice of brexit is saying. i now invite a leaver to explain why we should still go through with brexit.

[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;52951583]imagine this being the reason you didn't do your goddamn job david davis had two jobs: negotiate brexit with the eu, and forecast the impact of brexit on the uk. he's done neither of those things. sack the piece of shit, and also boris johnson whilst we're [del]purging[/del] reshuffling the cabinet.[/QUOTE] If May did do a brexiteer purge lots of the brexit enthusiast tories would go to the back benches/rebel and the pro brexit portion of the media (telegraph, sun, daily mail) would spin it something foul leading lotsa brexit peeps to get all foamy and unpleasant. Sorta a catch 22. Purge em and suffer the consequences or keep em around and brexit loudly and messily all over yourself.

This is just getting ridiculous [editline]6th December 2017[/editline] This does mean the David Davis straight up lied to Parliament though, right? Contempt of parliament his ass.

The incompetent bastard. Could've fucking called it. Although I have a feeling the reports were going to pop the Brexit bubble and under mounting pressure to give the people the transparent, honest truth we've been crying out for since the Leave and Remain campaigns fucked about with us, they destroyed them. They denied the people, their employers, the truth to keep their jobs. We should tear their fucking house down.

Okay if you're not going to forecast what it will be like once we leave, why don't you forecast what it would be like if we called the whole thing off tomorrow?