Trump's NASA Nominee Wants to Study Climate Change—on Mars - Polidicks

[url]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-nominee-wants-to-study-climate-change-mdash-on-mars/[/url] [quote]The Trump administration’s nominee to lead NASA wants the agency to study climate change on Mars, even as he questions if it’s happening here on Earth. Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-Okla.) said in a questionnaire submitted to the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee that understanding other planets in more detail could help scientists get a better grasp on earthly processes. The assertion echoes talking points by those who question mainstream climate science. “Mars once had a magnetic field, rivers, lakes and an ocean on its north pole,” he wrote. “At some point, Mars changed dramatically and we should strive to understand why. Studying other planets can inform our understanding of Earth.” Earlier this year, Bridenstine told E&E News that he’s open to moving earth science out of NASA and into another federal agency. The idea of cutting climate change research, or consolidating it into one agency, has been discussed by members of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee. Bridenstine sits on the panel.[/quote]

oh for fucks sake nobody from oklahoma should be allowed to deny man made natural disasters you fucking turned your middle-of-the-plate state into a techtonic fault zone you guys litterally changed your enviroment irreversibly in a very short span and still haven't done shit to fix it

[QUOTE=Sableye;52700068]oh for fucks sake nobody from oklahoma should be allowed to deny man made natural disasters you fucking turned your middle-of-the-plate state into a techtonic fault zone you guys litterally changed your enviroment irreversibly in a very short span and still haven't done shit to fix it[/QUOTE] How do you think it feels living here with those shitheads?

[quote]Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-Okla.) said in a questionnaire submitted to the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee that understanding other planets in more detail could help scientists get a better grasp on earthly processes. The assertion echoes talking points by those who question mainstream climate science. “Mars once had a magnetic field, rivers, lakes and an ocean on its north pole,” he wrote. “At some point, Mars changed dramatically and we should strive to understand why. Studying other planets can inform our understanding of Earth.”[/quote] How about you study this planet instead, you massive retard?

[QUOTE=Sableye;52700068]oh for fucks sake nobody from oklahoma should be allowed to deny man made natural disasters you fucking turned your middle-of-the-plate state into a techtonic fault zone you guys litterally changed your enviroment irreversibly in a very short span and still haven't done shit to fix it[/QUOTE] Could fracking jumpstart another rift if done enough? I'm curious where the hell the earthquakes are coming from, I mean obviously fracking but I'm wondering what the specific process is that causes them.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52700112]How about you study this planet instead, you massive retard?[/QUOTE] whats wrong with studying mars exactly?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52700230]whats wrong with studying mars exactly?[/QUOTE] the fact that they are cutting back on climate change studies on Earth

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52700230]whats wrong with studying mars exactly?[/QUOTE] i think if we're gonna study a planet it should be our own

[QUOTE=Megadave;52700129]Could fracking jumpstart another rift if done enough? I'm curious where the hell the earthquakes are coming from, I mean obviously fracking but I'm wondering what the specific process is that causes them.[/QUOTE] The crust stores energy from faults and fracking causes early release of that energy. So there would've been an earthquake anyway, just not when it happened.

One of the worst things about doing a ton of subcontracting work and R&D for NASA is that you get to watch it all be thrown away when a new director is appointed, and as he changes NASAs vision to match his own And this time we really got a fuckwit, damnit

imagine how ironic it would be if we 100% confirmed life existed on mars just as now, and died because of the exact conditions happening now obviously not happening but holy fuck lmao

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52700230]whats wrong with studying mars exactly?[/QUOTE] When the current administration is refusing to acknowledge climate change on our own planet? Is this a serious question?

[QUOTE=Sableye;52700068]oh for fucks sake nobody from oklahoma should be allowed to deny man made natural disasters you fucking turned your middle-of-the-plate state into a techtonic fault zone you guys litterally changed your enviroment irreversibly in a very short span and still haven't done shit to fix it[/QUOTE] Not to mention that time they fucked up so badly a quarter of their population had to leave the state and thousands died from dust pneumonia. A man-made natural disaster is probably the thing they're most famous for.

It's a good idea to study mars, it's climate, and other processes that happened there. In that I agree with the representative; however, part of NASA's mission for a long time has been to study Earth's climate and it's natural processes to inform our decision making. NASA can certainly be in two places at once, so it's a little short sighted to say we can only study one or the other. What gives the Rep very little credibility as a potential lead for NASA is that he doesn't recognize climate change as man made, when the science for that has been out, verified, and only growing in size and completeness for many years (With NASA contributing to that knowledge base as well!). For climate skeptics, I totally understand not accepting someone's word for it, but just like many of the unintuitive concepts that one learns in school, it is necessary to go out and investigate the topic and other's research on it, rather than simply flat out deny it's existence, which I see happen far too often.

shouldnt we also study the earth's climate then so we can compare it with mars and etc like surely you can do both right

[QUOTE=laserpanda;52700621]Not to mention that time they fucked up so badly a quarter of their population had to leave the state and thousands died from dust pneumonia. A man-made natural disaster is probably the thing they're most famous for.[/QUOTE] I am 99% certain that plains states are so embarassed about the dust bowl that they simply gloss over it in school. That is the case in Kansas, at least. It was just kind of a passing mention when learning about the Great Depression, and we never went into detail on how bad it was or how we terraformed the plains to prevent it from happening again. It's only a matter of time before they get a 6.0 or greater by causing a massive well to collapse, and when that happens you can expect their politicians to claim there is nothing they can do about "natural" processes.

[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;52701222]I am 99% certain that plains states are so embarassed about the dust bowl that they simply gloss over it in school. That is the case in Kansas, at least. It was just kind of a passing mention when learning about the Great Depression, and we never went into detail on how bad it was or how we terraformed the plains to prevent it from happening again. It's only a matter of time before they get a 6.0 or greater by causing a massive well to collapse, and when that happens you can expect their politicians to claim there is nothing they can do about "natural" processes.[/QUOTE] They already claim that, when all the fracking controversy happened they said it was just natural.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52700230]whats wrong with studying mars exactly?[/QUOTE] The point isn't that studying Mars is wrong it's that the dude in question wants to use shaky science in an excuse to stop NASA from studying climate change. Did you even read the article?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52701429]The point isn't that studying Mars is wrong it's that the dude in question wants to use shaky science in an excuse to stop NASA from studying climate change. Did you even read the article?[/QUOTE] I used to like Sobotnik's posts before he started chugging populist Kool-Aid.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52700129]Could fracking jumpstart another rift if done enough? I'm curious where the hell the earthquakes are coming from, I mean obviously fracking but I'm wondering what the specific process is that causes them.[/QUOTE] they're injecting all the country's fracking waste water, it doesn't matter where you do that you're causing the underlying rock to destabilize by pumping thousands of tons of water slurry filled with lubricants

[QUOTE]“Mars once had a magnetic field, rivers, lakes and an ocean on its north pole,” he wrote. “At some point, Mars changed dramatically and we should strive to understand why. Studying other planets can inform our understanding of Earth.”[/QUOTE] I'm sure we'll figure that out if we keep advancing down the path we are without taking adequate steps to prevent climate change. No need to even go to Mars! [QUOTE=Mingebox;52701555]I used to like Sobotnik's posts before he started chugging populist Kool-Aid.[/QUOTE] He's always been like this from what I recall. Just his points used to actually be valid in the past while recently they've been pretty poor arguments.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52700230]whats wrong with studying mars exactly?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't it be way more expensive than studying the stuff that's happening on earth

[QUOTE=portalcrazy;52700238]i think if we're gonna study a planet it should be our own[/QUOTE] This mindset is stupidly ignorant, the benefits of having another planet to study climate change is outstanding, we can cross verify if certain things are patterns and not waste time on useless shit.

Wouldn't Venus be a better candidate?

Actually, studying another planet (better yet, planets) might prove quite informative, as it might allow us to figure out roughly what fraction of climate change is natural. If we know that, then we can better account for the natural changes in our climate models, allowing us to better figure out the fraction we're actually responsible for. Said another way, Mars could in some sense act as a control study.

[QUOTE=sltungle;52703064]Actually, studying another planet (better yet, planets) might prove quite informative, as it might allow us to figure out roughly what fraction of climate change is natural. If we know that, then we can better account for the natural changes in our climate models, allowing us to better figure out the fraction we're actually responsible for. Said another way, Mars could in some sense act as a control study.[/QUOTE] The problem is, you need a planet that is similar to Earth within a small margin to make it viable as a control. Otherwise it can skew the results one way or another. Mars is similar to Earth in size, but atmosphere, rock formation, etc. are all very different which can and most likely will play a factor in how reliable such a study would be. I'm not against studying Mars, it's just not close enough to Earth to be viable as a control. [editline]21st September 2017[/editline] Also since Mars is actually dead, as in no new crust being formed, no volcanic action, that also affects the reliability.

There's nothing wrong with studying Mars but this guy is clearly using it as a pseudoscientific excuse to shut down climate change research on Earth

[QUOTE=sltungle;52703064]Actually, studying another planet (better yet, planets) might prove quite informative, as it might allow us to figure out roughly what fraction of climate change is natural. If we know that, then we can better account for the natural changes in our climate models, allowing us to better figure out the fraction we're actually responsible for. Said another way, Mars could in some sense act as a control study.[/QUOTE] Well we'll keep that in mind if our magnetic field disappears and our atmosphere gets blasted into space

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52703646]There's nothing wrong with studying Mars but this guy is clearly using it as a pseudoscientific excuse to shut down climate change research on Earth[/QUOTE] If clinton did this nobody would care but she doesn't believe climate change is a chinese hoax.

[QUOTE=cartman;52702573]This mindset is stupidly ignorant, the benefits of having another planet to study climate change is outstanding, we can cross verify if certain things are patterns and not waste time on useless shit.[/QUOTE] we already are studying mars's climate and atmosphere, this is just distracting from the fact that he wants to scrap THE ENTIRE EARTH SCIENCE'S DIVISION, basically getting rid of the first A in NASA and going directly against the agency's charter to study earth.