• Utah lawmaker proposes firing squad executions for death row inmates
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[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/17/utah-execution-firing-squad-death-row-injection[/URL] [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/17/1400332804814/2635ee90-e63f-4f4f-af06-b41f513008a1-460x276.jpeg[/IMG] The firing squad execution chamber at the Utah State Prison in Draper, Utah In the wake of [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/clayton-lockett-oklahoma-execution-witness"]a botched lethal injection[/URL] in Oklahoma last month, a Utah lawmaker says he believes a firing squad is a more humane form of execution. And he plans to bring back that option for criminals sentenced to death in his state. State representative Paul Ray, a Republican from the northern city of Clearfield, plans to introduce his proposal during Utah's next legislative session in January. Lawmakers in Wyoming and Missouri floated similar ideas this year, but both efforts stalled. Ray, however, may succeed. Utah already has a tradition of execution by firing squad, with five police officers using .30-caliber Winchester rifles to execute Ronnie Lee Gardner in 2010, the last execution by rifle to be held in the state. Ray argues the controversial method may seem more palatable now, especially as states struggle with lawsuits and drug shortages that have complicated lethal injections. "It sounds like the wild west, but it's probably the most humane way to kill somebody," Ray said. Utah eliminated execution by firing squad in 2004, citing the excessive media attention it gave inmates. But those sentenced to death before that date still had the option of choosing it, which is how Gardner ended up standing in front of five armed Utah police officers. Gardner was sentenced to death for fatally shooting a Salt Lake City attorney in 1985 while trying to escape from a courthouse. He was third person to die by firing squad after the US supreme court reinstated the death penalty in 1976. Other death-row inmates have opted to die by gunfire instead of lethal injection in Utah, but they are all several years away from exhausting the appeals of their death sentences, Assistant Utah Attorney General Thomas Brunker said. Ray's proposal would give all inmates the option.
Too Dramatic.
[QUOTE]"It sounds like the wild west, but it's probably the most humane way to kill somebody," Ray said. [/QUOTE] Wait... i just.... what.
When it comes down to it, the fastest methods to work with are lead or rope. Still do not support the death penalty though.
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;44849799]Wait... i just.... what.[/QUOTE] Sounds a lot more healthy than electrocution and faulty drugs, anyway
[QUOTE=Jodern;44849827]Sounds a lot more healthy than electrocution and faulty drugs, anyway[/QUOTE] One shot in the back of the head and done
Honestly, I find it a fair bit more humane than getting pumped full of chemicals (Which could fuck up) or being electrocuted.
"Most humane way to kill a human" This is still relevant then: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbAmu3DXk5c[/media]
From the descriptions I've read about what the lethal injection probably feels like, I know I'd take this any day of the week. I don't really support the death penalty except in certain cases, but the other thing to keep in mind here is that this proposal gives them the option, it doesn't necessarily say "Yeah, this is how it's gonna be from now on."
[QUOTE=Mr. N;44849853]Honestly, I find it a fair bit more humane than getting pumped full of chemicals (Which could fuck up) or being electrocuted.[/QUOTE] Zero degrees of fairness cannot equal more than zero degrees of fairness. There is nothing civil about execution. Nothing humane about killing a human who by that point (In jail) is not a danger to society. This is just a means for a stone-age system of death to continue. Having lost family to others, absolutely I feel anger, hate and understand where it comes from. But death does not bring back my family members.
I can understand the lawmaker's concerns, but instead of giving people dodgy combinations of drugs that they hope will kill them, they could also choose to [I]not kill people[/I]. On a less serious note, it could be awesome if inmates could choose the way they wanted to be executed. Death by one thousand pounds of TNT? You got it!
[QUOTE=Mebit;44849934]Zero degrees of fairness cannot equal more than zero degrees of fairness. There is nothing civil about execution. Nothing humane about killing a human who by that point (In jail) is not a danger to society. This is just a means for a stone-age system of death to continue. Having lost family to others, absolutely I feel anger, hate and understand where it comes from. But death does not bring back my family members.[/QUOTE] Did you even read his post? He said it was humane, not justified; sorry to rain on your moral reflection-parade but if you read his post it was about this being the better method.
Some of the jackholes they put into power have the intellectual power of a baked fucking potato, I swear.
How about don't kill people?
[QUOTE=Mebit;44849934]Zero degrees of fairness cannot equal more than zero degrees of fairness. There is nothing civil about execution. Nothing humane about killing a human who by that point (In jail) is not a danger to society. This is just a means for a stone-age system of death to continue. Having lost family to others, absolutely I feel anger, hate and understand where it comes from. But death does not bring back my family members.[/QUOTE] "Zero degrees of fairness" Absolutes are fun
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;44850288]what about the firing squad members themselves? I feel like this would just add stress to them, knowing that their bullet might have killed someone like that (I'm assuming they're doing the ol' only one shooter has an actual bullet in their gun way), regardless of it being a criminal. Robotic firing squad? Or how about, no firing squad, no execution?[/QUOTE] I thought it was reverse, where all but one person fired a real round and one had a blank?
This mangled lucky-ass motherfucker managed to survive a firing squad [IMG]http://cdn.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Slide43.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=snookypookums;44850368]This mangled lucky-ass motherfucker managed to survive a firing squad [IMG]http://cdn.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Slide43.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I was just about to reference this! Not only did he survive the firing squad, but he survived the coup de grace afterward where someone put a gun right to his head to make sure he would die.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44850411]I was just about to reference this! Not only did he survive the firing squad, but he survived the coup de grace afterward where someone put a gun right to his head to make sure he would die.[/QUOTE] Honestly the more I read about this the more terrified I get. See, we all think that he's the luckiest sunovabitch on the planet (barring Hugh Hefner). But think about it - this man lived [I]through[/I] what should've been his last moments. How the fuck do you come back from that and not go completely psychotic? He was given his last meal dragged out in front of that firing squad, he knew what was going to happen, he was just waiting for that command for his body to be instantaneously riddled with bullets, the horrific flash of pain before one shot inextricably went for his head. He was probably even faintly conscious when that gun was jammed next to his skull and he could hear the click of the gun that would blow his cranium to smithereens taking him away for sure. And yet, he lived to tell the tale and knowing for sure that he had died once, but was given a second life of sorts. When you even try to relive what this guy went through, in your mind, in first person, that shit is like nightmare fuel. Now think about all those gruesome beheading videos that seem to be coming out of Syria every single fucking day and imagine what their last moments would've been like.
Might as well, I see no problem in it. I mean, you're fucking killing someone, so there's no point in sugar coating it. I'd say firing squad is probably one of the quicker ways. Still, the best scenario would be a world where the death penalty doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;44850288]what about the firing squad members themselves? I feel like this would just add stress to them, knowing that their bullet might have killed someone like that (I'm assuming they're doing the ol' only one shooter has an actual bullet in their gun way), regardless of it being a criminal. Robotic firing squad? Or how about, no firing squad, no execution?[/QUOTE] Opposite actually; everyone except one has a loaded bullet. everyone convinces themselves they fired the blank.
[QUOTE=snapshot32;44849996]Did you even read his post? He said it was humane, not justified; sorry to rain on your moral reflection-parade but if you read his post it was about this being the better method.[/QUOTE] Well to argue that point, there is no humane way of killing, only what is defined as humane by a populance. Its like saying there's a humane way of torture. It's an oxymoron.
This is a lot cheaper solution than the drugs. Still not an adequate way.
So what you're telling me is that in your opinion there is no such thing as humane and that shooting a man and beating him to death are all in all the same thing, despite the fact people can feel pain. hu·mane adjective \hyü-ˈmān, yü-\ : kind or gentle to people or animals Full Definition of HUMANE 1 : marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals The consideration referred to in the definition provided can be found in the choice to allow someone less suffrage by offering another means of execution. Your above statement regarding humane killing is verbally false.
I feel like guillotine would be more "humane". Still think the death penalty is barbaric and something that we should have stopped ages ago.
aaaand here goes this argument again.
Well here we go, 12 pages about American law, guns, execution, and the legal system.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44849806]When it comes down to it, the fastest methods to work with are lead or rope.[/QUOTE] They're also a blitz of extreme pain Lethal injection is [I]ideally supposed to be[/I] painless
What about the executioners? Aren't they put in a group so no one knows who fired the fatal shot? And apparently one is secretly given a blank to make it even more unknowable? Killing someone isn't exactly easy.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;44850998]What about the executioners? Aren't they put in a group so no one knows who fired the fatal shot? And apparently one is secretly given a blank to make it even more unknowable? Killing someone isn't exactly easy.[/QUOTE] Read the thread.
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