• OECD 'debunks myth' that poor will fail at school
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26015532[/url] [quote]There is nothing inevitable about the weaker academic performance of poorer pupils, says an analysis of Pisa tests by the OECD's Andreas Schleicher. Mr Schleicher, who runs the tests, says the high results of deprived pupils in some Asian countries shows what poor pupils in the UK could achieve. [B]The most disadvantaged pupils in Shanghai match the maths test results of wealthy pupils in the UK.[/B] Mr Schleicher says it "debunks the myth that poverty is destiny". On Monday, Education Secretary Michael Gove said individual schools in England should take Pisa tests, so that they could compare themselves against international standards.[/quote] Alternative Hypothesis: There are innate differences between ethnic groups.
Alternative alternative hypothesis: Shanghai has better school funding for schools in poor areas.
If you get in there and give it a good go you will have as much success as the top achievers. And mostly, how can personal wealth affect your outcome in a free public schooling system? I do think some ethnic groups fail more than others, for example Maori and Pasifika children and Europeans in New Zealand due to the fact that most of them do not come to school with lunches. very sad
Alternative Hypothesis: People tend to do just as well if you give them the same chance to succeed.
Obviously its because the Asian mind are much more superior than tea drinkers when it comes to numbers.
How about we address if they're both meeting maslow's hierarchy, and then determine how the poor do
[QUOTE=Patriarch;43784277]Alternative Hypothesis: There are innate differences between ethnic groups.[/QUOTE] That's not racist or anything.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;43784277]Alternative Hypothesis: There are innate differences between ethnic groups.[/QUOTE] Oh man DainBramge Syndrome is spreading
I feel like a lot of people are gonna use this study to say "Well, see: the poor people don't need any money to further help them getting a better education - they are doing just fine according to this study"
[QUOTE=Rubs10;43784437]That's not racist or anything.[/QUOTE] How is it racist if I'm going of from what I observe in tests and reports such as this? I'm not entirely convinced about the racial/ethnic explanation (especially considering that most who support it have a poor understanding of race and genetics), but I certainly don't think you should dismiss it offhand because of what it implies.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;43784437]That's not racist or anything.[/QUOTE] It's not racist if it's true though is it? I mean it's pretty much a statistical certainty that asians do better in exams than other ethnicities
[QUOTE=EcksDee;43786162]It's not racist if it's true though is it? I mean it's pretty much a statistical certainty that asians do better in exams than other ethnicities[/QUOTE] It's racist to imply that it's because they're genetically superior and not that it's a cultural thing.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43786209]It's racist to imply that it's because they're genetically superior and not that it's a cultural thing.[/QUOTE] Man this is a touchy subject aint it? Cause if you order exam results by ethnicity all over the world there is a clear tendency towards the aforementioned result. I don't know though, I'm not a scientist. Though the thought that some gene pools are superior to others is intriguing
[QUOTE=EcksDee;43786162]It's not racist if it's true though is it? I mean it's pretty much a statistical certainty that asians do better in exams than other ethnicities[/QUOTE] Yeah man and why is that? Is it because Asians are racially smarter?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43786239]Yeah man and why is that? Is it because Asians are racially smarter?[/QUOTE] I mean, I guess? I have no issue accepting that, I don't think that makes me a racist, since I'm not ever, in any way going to treat different ethnicities differently.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;43786162]It's not racist if it's true though is it? I mean it's pretty much a statistical certainty that asians do better in exams than other ethnicities[/QUOTE] Why are you so sure it's something in their genes or something that involves their ethnicity? What about the their culture?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;43786273]Why are you so sure it's something in their genes or something that involves their ethnicity? What about the their culture?[/QUOTE] I think it could be not culturally related because this so-called "asian superiority" is seen all around the world, not just "asian schools vs western schools" or something like that. Again at this point I'm unsure on the subject this is just what seems to make sense to me
[QUOTE=adam1172;43784404]Obviously its because the Asian mind are much more superior than tea drinkers when it comes to numbers.[/QUOTE] Asians drink tea, too, ya know. Fuck, they even invented tea.
It's racist because you're not going off of actual evidence. Because if you were, you'd see it's a crock of shit. [QUOTE=Patriarch;43785970]How is it racist if I'm going of from what I observe in tests and reports such as this? I'm not entirely convinced about the racial/ethnic explanation (especially considering that most who support it have a poor understanding of race and genetics), but I certainly don't think you should dismiss it offhand because of what it implies.[/QUOTE] There are a dozen other explanations, and you just happen to post the most racist one? That's a pretty racist thing to do.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;43786291]I think it could be not culturally related because this so-called "asian superiority" is seen all around the world, not just "asian schools vs western schools" or something like that. Again at this point I'm unsure on the subject this is just what seems to make sense to me[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm also no expert, but it seems like quite a lot of variables are dismissed if we just are going to assume Asians perform well on tests just because they're more intelligent. I'm pretty sure that with proper guidance and dicipline. Anyone can perform well on tests.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;43786368]Yeah I'm also no expert, but it seems like quite a lot of variables are dismissed if we just are going to assume Asians perform well on tests just because they're more intelligent. I'm pretty sure that with proper guidance and dicipline. Anyone can perform well on tests.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. Man I just wish people started doing studies about this. [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] or more studies or better known studies
Poverty fucks up your home life a lot. School can be a temporary escape from that where your income doesn't necessarily affect your performance. If the schools themselves are poor, then the student performance is mainly based on the quality of the teachers and curriculum. My physics teacher who went to community college had the best grades in Calculus III when he transferred to a university because he learned the material by hand, while the university students were given calculator/computer aids.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;43786398]Fair enough. Man I just wish people started doing studies about this. [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] or more studies or better known studies[/QUOTE] There are plenty of studies, it's like climate change where politics and people with personal agendas get involved so it fucks everything up.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;43786484]There are plenty of studies, it's like climate change where politics and people with personal agendas get involved so it fucks everything up.[/QUOTE] Would you happen to have any links?
[QUOTE=Aj;43784358] And mostly, how can personal wealth affect your outcome in a free public schooling system?[/QUOTE] The wealthier your family the more likely they are to pay for private tutors, or even not bother with public school at all.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;43786513]Would you happen to have any links?[/QUOTE] There's an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence[/url]
[QUOTE=Rubs10;43786555]There's an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, got my answer from there before you posted "But on the other hand, no genetic factor has been conclusively shown to have a causal relation with group difference in intelligence test scores. Recent summaries of the debate call for more research into the topic to determine the relative contributions of environmental and genetic factors in explaining the apparent IQ disparity among racial groups." [editline]4th February 2014[/editline] aka more and better studies
How about we measure the difference between poor and rich students in the UK rather than comparing the poor in a completely different country to the rich in this country.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43788349]How about we measure the difference between poor and rich students in the UK rather than comparing the poor in a completely different country to the rich in this country.[/QUOTE] Because we have the Fischer Family Trust to guess someone's intelligence based on a bunch of mostly meaningless factors.
Long story short, anyone can succeed if they try.
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