Pope Francis describes ‘ideological Christians’ as a ‘serious illness’ within the Church
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[QUOTE]Speaking at daily Mass last Thursday, Pope Francis warned Christians against turning their faith into a rigid ideology.
“The faith passes, so to speak, through a distiller and becomes ideology,” he said, according to Radio Vatican. “And ideology does not beckon [people]. In ideologies there is not Jesus: in his tenderness, his love, his meekness. And ideologies are rigid, always. Of every sign: rigid.
“And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’ The knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and also moralistic knowledge, because these close the door with many requirements.”
“The faith becomes ideology and ideology frightens, ideology chases away the people, distances, distances the people and distances of the Church of the people,” Francis added. “But it is a serious illness, this of ideological Christians. It is an illness, but it is not new, eh?”
He said Christian ideology was the result of a lack of true prayer.[/QUOTE]
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anyone still has doubts this guy is the best pope ever?
i wonder if diehard christians hate this guy
This dude is fucking incredible. He's a fundamentalist in the sense that he sticks to the fundamental - benign - values of Catholicism, that the institution itself hasn't followed in most of recorded history: Humility, non-judgmental, non-violent dealings with others, and worldly, humanist perspectives.
[QUOTE=skullorz;46407817]i wonder if diehard christians hate this guy[/QUOTE]
I think Christians dont care because the Pope is the head of the Catholic church.
[QUOTE=Midas22;46407846]I think Christians dont care because the Pope is the head of the Catholic church.[/QUOTE]
Catholics are Christians, dude. Not sure if you didn't know that.
Well at least the pope is going to a more Modernist approach instead of the old rules and beliefs
[QUOTE=Midas22;46407846]I think Christians dont care because the Pope is the head of the Catholic church.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure you're mixing up with Protestants here.
I wonder if he'll even manage lasting the two years he figures he has left...
[QUOTE=Midas22;46407846]I think Christians dont care because the Pope is the head of the Catholic church.[/QUOTE]
he is still the most influential guy in all christendom though, and arguably its face.
[QUOTE=Harnbrand;46407865]Catholics are Christians, dude. Not sure if you didn't know that.[/QUOTE]
Other sects of Christianity outside of Catholicism do not see the pope as anything important generally
[QUOTE=Midas22;46407846]I think Christians dont care because the Pope is the head of the Catholic church.[/QUOTE]
great post
[editline]4th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46408134]Other sects of Christianity outside of Catholicism do not see the pope as anything important generally[/QUOTE]
catholicism does however make up the largest christian denomination at 1.2billion. not that they all follow roman catholic beliefs, but catholicism none the less
this guy has a degree in chemical engineering and worked as a bouncer
it's completely unrelated but it's still my favorite popefact™
Well even though the Pope doesn't count for other Christian Sects in the world like Protestant, Orthodox, or Lutheran. It still gives Christians a better name when you have a good Pope in charge.
[QUOTE=Remedial Math;46408183]this guy has a degree in chemical engineering and worked as a bouncer
it's completely unrelated but it's still my favorite popefact™[/QUOTE]
Jesuit priests are generally regarded as pretty badass dudes
[QUOTE=Remedial Math;46408183]this guy has a degree in chemical engineering and worked as a bouncer
it's completely unrelated but it's still my favorite popefact™[/QUOTE]
Can I sign up to get popefacts™ sent directly to my phone?
[QUOTE=Harnbrand;46407865]Catholics are Christians, dude. Not sure if you didn't know that.[/QUOTE]
A lot of protestant groups teach that Catholics aren't Christians - they're Catholics, and protestants are the [I]real[/I] christians.
It's as retarded as it sounds.
This guy seems like he'll never cease to amaze me.
The most amazing thing about Pope Francis is that he can say something as awesomely progressive as this and then some cunt, [I]without fail[/I], will come up and say "I'm not impressed" or "Who cares what the Pope says?"
This man... He is great. He can really change things in the world. He has now become one of very few people that I hope to one day meet in person and shake hands. I have tons of respect for him.
How hasn't this guy been assassinated by the mafia yet
[QUOTE=Midas22;46407846]I think Christians dont care because the Pope is the head of the Catholic church.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure you meant protestants, but you're technically right. most of the strongly 'ideological christians,' such as evangelicals and baptists, are (or can be considered) protestants. no protestants consider the pope to be the head of their church, so in their eyes what he says about them is pretty much irrelevant.
[QUOTE=NS;46409579]How hasn't this guy been assassinated by the mafia yet[/QUOTE]
Possibly because that would make him the biggest martyr ever, as well as painting a big, fat target on the mafia because everyone would know they were behind it
aren't mafia types super Catholic though? They wouldn't dare kill a pope.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;46409481]A lot of protestant groups teach that Catholics aren't Christians - they're Catholics, and protestants are the [I]real[/I] christians.
It's as retarded as it sounds.[/QUOTE]
You know what else is retarded? Trying to teach people about things that you obviously don't understand. There are a TON of major differences between Catholicism and Protestantism, including, but not limited to:
- Catholics officially hold that no one is saved unless they are under the authority of the pope. Protestants disagree.
- Catholics hold that works play a part in salvation (a better life gets you less purgatory). Protestants hold that works are a sign of salvation, but play no role in achieving it.
- Catholics pray to saints as intercessors to God. Protestants hold this to be nothing more than idol worship at worst, and useless at best.
- Catholics believe that the pope is infallible when making official statements on Church and faith related matters. Protestants believe the Bible to be the only authority.
- Catholics hold church tradition to be either at the same level as, or higher than, the Biblical scripture. Protestants disagree entirely and hold only to the Bible.
This is a tiny list compared to the entirety of the split between the two groups.
The commonly held belief in Protestantism is that it is very possible for Catholics to be real Christians, but that the more fundamentally one holds to traditional Catholic beliefs the more grey it becomes.
tons of respect for this guy, and im not even christian
I have my own, very simple religion
Dont be a jerk
that is all
"Protestant" nowadays basically refers to "Non-hierarchical Christian"
[QUOTE=sgman91;46411292]You know what else is retarded? Trying to teach people about things that you obviously don't understand. There are a TON of major differences between Catholicism and Protestantism, including, but not limited to:
- Catholics officially hold that no one is saved unless they are under the authority of the pope. Protestants disagree.
- Catholics hold that works play a part in salvation (a better life gets you less purgatory). Protestants hold that works are a sign of salvation, but play no role in achieving it.
- Catholics pray to saints as intercessors to God. Protestants hold this to be nothing more than idol worship at worst, and useless at best.
- Catholics believe that the pope is infallible when making official statements on Church and faith related matters. Protestants believe the Bible to be the only authority.
- Catholics hold church tradition to be either at the same level as, or higher than, the Biblical scripture. Protestants disagree entirely and hold only to the Bible.
This is a tiny list compared to the entirety of the split between the two groups.
The commonly held belief in Protestantism is that it is very possible for Catholics to be real Christians, but that the more fundamentally one holds to traditional Catholic beliefs the more grey it becomes.[/QUOTE]
This entire list is exactly what the pope's quote is about. Saying Catholics do this and Protestants do that is a symptom of ideological Christians who aren't actually living according to Jesus' and the Bible's teachings. So to try and educate us about the differences between ideologies is fucked from the start when even the pope says these ways of thinking are bullshit.
Most of the people who say "the bible is the ultimate authority on theological matters" heavily overlap with the ideological types, for obvious reasons. Catholic theology tends to be much more flexible, which is part of the reason for its enduring vitality and success.
For instance, the Pope can argue "Gay rights are important" as society changes.
However, protestants can't really do that. They argue endlessly over the meaning of certain parts of the bible and never come to a conclusion, and often they end up splitting into another church. They become rooted in their ways and treat the religion with obsessiveness, and eventually the church dies after everybody in it dies or quits.
Most of the people who say "the bible is the ultimate authority on theological matters" heavily overlap with the ideological types, for obvious reasons. Catholic theology tends to be much more flexible, which is part of the reason for its enduring vitality and success.
For instance, the Pope can argue "Gay rights are important" as society changes.
However, protestants can't really do that. They argue endlessly over the meaning of certain parts of the bible and never come to a conclusion, and often they end up splitting into another church. They become rooted in their ways and treat the religion with obsessiveness, and eventually the church dies after everybody in it dies or quits.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;46411397]This entire list is exactly what the pope's quote is about. Saying Catholics do this and Protestants do that is a symptom of ideological Christians who aren't actually living according to Jesus' and the Bible's teachings. So to try and educate us about the differences between ideologies is fucked from the start when even the pope says these ways of thinking are bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Caring about the truth of something isn't "bullshit." You obviously don't care because you don't agree with it anyway, but for those who do it actually matters when a group insists on falsely teaching the most important truth on the entire planet.
Don't fall for the BS, meaningless, rhetoric. The Catholic church has set traditions way more ideologically driven than anyone else, and unless the pope directly wants to change those, then all this crap he's saying means nothing.
[editline]4th November 2014[/editline]
The fact that the pope doesn't seem to care about truth makes me believe that he doesn't really believe it in the first place. If he did, then he would care a little more about not approving groups that teach things directly contradictory to the most fundamental building blocks of your own beliefs.
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