Germany accuses France of being 'Europe's biggest problem child'
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[QUOTE]A scathing German assessment of France's economic weakness – in which the country is labelled "Europe's biggest problem child" – has reopened divisions between Europe's two biggest powers.
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[QUOTE]A leaked internal briefing from Angela Merkel's coalition partners refers to President Francois Hollande as "meandering" and draws attention to France's "highly regulated labour market and highly developed social security system".[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10028824/Germany-accuses-France-of-being-Europes-biggest-problem-child.html[/URL]
I find it rather ironic that Germany is describing France as Europe's problem child. :v:
Sounds like the plot of a hetalia episode.
[QUOTE=The mouse;40493150]
I find it rather ironic that Germany is describing France as Europe's problem child. :v:[/QUOTE]
Why? Germany currently has Europe's strongest economy.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;40493191]Why? Germany currently has Europe's strongest economy.[/QUOTE]
Little things called the World Wars.
They're cool now, though.
Edit: Okay that was dumb, I'm sorry.
Invasion imminent.
*cough* Greece *cough*
My desk is too small
Sorry, Max.
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;40493208]Little things called the World Wars.
They're cool now, though.[/QUOTE]
First world war was arguably everybody's fault. Second was Hitler's war.
[QUOTE=nickohlus;40493358]First world war was arguably everybody's fault. Second was Hitler's war.[/QUOTE]
First one might've been avoided if Bismarck hadn't done his unification and alliance shit.
SO STILL GERMANY
(This is a joke, though, I know everyone was to blame in both wars. A lot of shit situations lead to one hugely shit one.)
[QUOTE=nickohlus;40493358]First world war was arguably everybody's fault. Second was Hitler's war.[/QUOTE]
World War 2 could've been prevented if the allies (mostly France) had been less vengeful and greedy after the first one.
[QUOTE=nickohlus;40493358]First world war was arguably everybody's fault. Second was Hitler's war.[/QUOTE]
It's arguable really. With the insane shit France tried to impose on Germany after they lose the first world war it was pretty inevitable that another war would occur - Germany was in a state of disaster.
Meh, I dont know. I dont have much info on hollande's gov. But as far as I know, Germany has been trying to cut back expenditures and leave the economy to recover in the meanwhile trying to keep unemployment stable.
The french on the other hand are still waging wars over Africa, but well, who knows if all that shit spills on other countries and makes oil prices rise?
[QUOTE=Elspin;40493425]It's arguable really. With the insane shit France tried to impose on Germany after they lose the first world war it was pretty inevitable that another war would occur - Germany was in a state of disaster.[/QUOTE]
For not to mention, The germans not nearly solely responsible for the outbreak of the first world war.
In fact, it looks like france was trying to provoke it.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;40493479]For not to mention, The germans not nearly solely responsible for the outbreak of the first world war.
In fact, it looks like france was trying to provoke it.[/QUOTE]
France loved the thought of smashing Germany to little bits after the Franco-Prussian war ended catastrophically for France, yes
And, of course, the UK liked to get in on that shit too and knock out a strong player from Europe
[QUOTE=deltasquid;40493542]France loved the thought of smashing Germany to little bits after the Franco-Prussian war ended catastrophically for France, yes
And, of course, the UK liked to get in on that shit too and knock out a strong player from Europe[/QUOTE]
Well nobody were innocent, and dont get me wrong, germany was abit too eager to mobilize the second they had an excuse.
The world war was the product of squabbling european autocracies. Old men sending the young to die for their titles and palaces. And im gonna give britain that they at least seemed reluctant to join the war.
But with that said, the treaty was fucking monstrous. It was completely inhuman to pin the blame on germany. Or even the axis overall.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;40493479]For not to mention, The germans not nearly solely responsible for the outbreak of the first world war.
In fact, it looks like france was trying to provoke it.[/QUOTE]
When people say "the outbreak of the first world war" they tend to think F.Ferninand death was the whole cause.
There were instances in which, USA, France and UK waged smal colonial battles agaisnt the German Empire.
I dont which german said this: "Germany is trying to claim is place in the sun without putting others in the shadow" which was basically Germany FP during the whole 19th century. At the start of the 20th century there was a huge naval arms race agaisnt the UK, and coupled with the fact that sooner or later shit was going to spill out, WW1 was inevitable.
WW2 on the other hand...I've read analysis from historians such as Ian Kershaw that what happened in germany was a social movement which actually put Hitler into its place. In Ian Kershaw's book, it is shown that the title of "Fuhrer" was not auto adjudicated by Hitler, but rather, people started calling him like that. The same happened in other countries such as Italy, Hungary and France -this one on a smaller scale-. So Hitler or no Hitler, its hard to say WW2 wouldnt happen.
Well, we licked their asses for the last years, now there's a growing plea from the people to just give them the finger. Germany is currently dictating Europe's economical politics, France is the second strongest economy and there's nothing the EU can do without us. We quit, everything collapse.
So yeah, how about you just shut it Merkel.
Whoever started those wars, they're all different countries now.
It was quite a while ago, you know.
There's probably Polandball-like comics about this, already, somewhere.
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40493669]Well, we licked their asses for the last years, now there's a growing plea from the people to just give them the finger. Germany is currently dictating Europe's economical politics, France is the second strongest economy and there's nothing the EU can do without us. We quit, everything collapse.
So yeah, how about you just shut it Merkel.[/QUOTE]
How about everyone keeps their calm and works together to fix this problem rather than pointing fingers
or would that be too simple
[QUOTE=deltasquid;40493377]First one might've been avoided if Bismarck hadn't done his unification and alliance shit.
SO STILL GERMANY
(This is a joke, though, I know everyone was to blame in both wars. A lot of shit situations lead to one hugely shit one.)[/QUOTE]
Technically, Gavrilo Princip started WW1
[QUOTE=Negrul1;40493670]Whoever started those wars, they're all different countries now.
It was quite a while ago, you know.[/QUOTE]
Yeah i agree. Lets drop our fucking guns and go home already.
Didn't the whole thing start because Serbia was a dick and wouldn't let Austria investigate Ferdinand's assassination?
Serbia should've gotten some of the blame. Not necessarily all of it, since I doubt anyone at the time would have been able to predict the huge shitstorm that happened afterward, but y'know, should've made them fork over some cash to Austria or something.
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or maybe not reading the five or six posts that got added while i was looking up the relevant countries on wikipedia
[QUOTE=deltasquid;40493690]How about everyone keeps their calm and works together to fix this problem rather than pointing fingers
or would that be too simple[/QUOTE]
You're wishing for an utopia that cannot be achieved. Every country has its own interests, Germany needs austerity right now and tries to push their agenda onto the EU's politics, France doesn't need that.
This man right there has been claiming this for years and his influence in France is growing by the day, he'll probably end up being prime minister :
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMYimc4GoMI[/media]
[QUOTE=lavacano;40493716]Didn't the whole thing start because Serbia was a dick and wouldn't let Austria investigate Ferdinand's assassination?
Serbia should've gotten some of the blame. Not necessarily all of it, since I doubt anyone at the time would have been able to predict the huge shitstorm that happened afterward, but y'know, should've made them fork over some cash to Austria or something.
[editline]1st May 2013[/editline]
or maybe not reading the five or six posts that got added while i was looking up the relevant countries on wikipedia[/QUOTE]
Well the serbians, while fighting as hard as they could, got the everloving shit kicked out of them, to the point of a temporary mass-exodus of their homeland. So you couldnt really take anything in reperation from them anyway.
Yeah France, take that!
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40493394]World War 2 could've been prevented if the allies (mostly France) had been less vengeful and greedy after the first one.[/QUOTE]
And keep in mind that it was going to end at a struggle in Poland and would have been a world war against the Soviets with the Germans as allies, with a couple years off, had it not been for Britain and France declaring war on Germany at Poland.
Just saying. Communism was extremely feared and considered more of a threat to the world than Fascism.
Honestly i wish Denmark, Sweden, Norway and maybe Finland could just do the old, Armed neutrality union.
Because at this point we are sitting with economic structures that work fine, and could continue to do so. But the ones of us in the UN are chained to all these other morons who want to do everything the dumb way.
[QUOTE=Elspin;40493425]It's arguable really. With the insane shit France tried to impose on Germany after they lose the first world war it was pretty inevitable that another war would occur - Germany was in a state of disaster.[/QUOTE]
didn't keynes actually predict what happened in germany after versailles?
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