I had no idea it was even possible to snipe to this extent. Is it that easy to find and get into a specific game?
Also, that fucking beeping noise at 2:16 - 2:38. I'd recognize that sound anywhere - it's 15 Sorting Algorithms in 6 Minutes.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;52648189]I had no idea it was even possible to snipe to this extent. Is it that easy to find and get into a specific game?
Also, that fucking beeping noise at 2:16 - 2:38. I'd recognize that sound anywhere - it's 15 Sorting Algorithms in 6 Minutes.[/QUOTE]
I think people just quit and rejoin until they get into a match with the same match ID as his. He really should hide it on stream.
(bottom of the screen below the health bar)
80% of those people would give the fuck up if you actually muted the mic chat and put an overlay on top of the minimap.
like if the guy is seriously annoyed by all these stream sniping, he's hardly taking measures to prevent it or make it harder for stream snipers to carry out??
PS: I am in no way defending them, but damn is it dumb of the streamer to leave all that shit open to basically enable them.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;52648189]Also, that fucking beeping noise at 2:16 - 2:38. I'd recognize that sound anywhere - it's 15 Sorting Algorithms in 6 Minutes.[/QUOTE]
oh shit yeah, I still prefer cr1tikal's "pacman being waterboarded" description though, that had me dying from laughter
[QUOTE=mrkaki;52648189]I had no idea it was even possible to snipe to this extent. Is it that easy to find and get into a specific game?
Also, that fucking beeping noise at 2:16 - 2:38. I'd recognize that sound anywhere - it's 15 Sorting Algorithms in 6 Minutes.[/QUOTE]
Destiny, when playing rust, once made a new steam account with an anonymous and hidden name to try to avoid sniping in that game, and it took only 30 minutes for people to find the server he was playing on and identifying him, based off the fucking server weather, and this was when rust was super popular.
So nah, you can't really avoid it. For forsen it's also going to be a LOT of people trying it at once.
They can try sticking on a massive delay, or hide the game for a few minutes after it ends while queueing at an unknown time during that, but IIRC they don't really work and they make your stream much worse.
I still think it's stupid to put the blame on the people spamming mic and stream sniping and not the people who broadcast their position in real time to everybody
Just delay your stream, You have 4500 people watching you, you're not going to read a damn thing anyway
yeah it's my view that while streamsniping is a bit of a dick move, bending over backwards to account for streamers and protect their precious revenue is silly, especially with how easy it is for streamers themselves to combat the problem, but they just won't.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;52648189]I had no idea it was even possible to snipe to this extent. Is it that easy to find and get into a specific game?
Also, that fucking beeping noise at 2:16 - 2:38. I'd recognize that sound anywhere - it's 15 Sorting Algorithms in 6 Minutes.[/QUOTE]
It's up to the streamer as to how easy they make it to stream snipe. By showing the whole queuing up process up to the drop, it gives stream snipers the opportunity to drop in with ease. Keeping public in-game voice enabled (there's a hotkey to change channels, or even outright mute voice) gives stream snipers even more of a reason to do it.
I know where the Pacman being waterboarded came from
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg[/media]
no need to delay, just hide match id, minimap position, and mute the fucking mic sounds. I guarantee most people wouldn't bother after that, there's literally no point investing all that time and energy hunting down a streamer when you can't spout whatever dumb shit you want to over the mic (which is what most people do it for)
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52648217]I still think it's stupid to put the blame on the people spamming mic and stream sniping and not the people who broadcast their position in real time to everybody
Just delay your stream, You have 4500 people watching you, you're not going to read a damn thing anyway[/QUOTE]Does playing poker live justify the audience shouting out your hand if they see what you have?
Literally victim blaming
If there was a way to satisfactorily eliminate stream sniping, you wouldn't be posting it on facepunch, just about every streamer would already be doing it. Muting, adding a large delay, etc. don't really work.
An alternate solution: stream-play a better game.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52648227]Does playing poker live justify the audience shouting out your hand if they see what you have?
Literally victim blaming[/QUOTE]
It's not victim blaming if the 'victim' has the tools to prevent it and chooses to not only ignore those tools, but keep willingly broadcasting his position in real time. He can black the stream out for a couple minutes between rounds until the drop, he can mute the in-game audio, he can delay the stream for a couple minutes (And with so many people, it's not like he's going to interact with anyone in chat anyway)
Come on now. If a poker player runs around showing everyone his hand, it's his own fault if someone shouts it
[QUOTE=loopoo;52648213]80% of those people would give the fuck up if you actually muted the mic chat and put an overlay on top of the minimap.
like if the guy is seriously annoyed by all these stream sniping, he's hardly taking measures to prevent it or make it harder for stream snipers to carry out??
PS: I am in no way defending them, but damn is it dumb of the streamer to leave all that shit open to basically enable them.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who has even a little experience can tell where you are just by looking. Its not hard if you've played a little bit to recognize terrain and landmarks. Its basic navigational stuff. And they don't give up just because chat is muted or anything because they can still find other ways to cause problems, like the horn honking, or just be actively seeking you out to kill you. Unless you have an extensive delay that is equivalent to half a match, delay doesn't work either.
what is stream-sniping anyway beyond exceptionally annoying?
[QUOTE=loopoo;52648213]80% of those people would give the fuck up if you actually muted the mic chat and put an overlay on top of the minimap.
like if the guy is seriously annoyed by all these stream sniping, he's hardly taking measures to prevent it or make it harder for stream snipers to carry out??
PS: I am in no way defending them, but damn is it dumb of the streamer to leave all that shit open to basically enable them.[/QUOTE]
Forsen thinks it's fucking hilarious, this has been happening to him for about 5 days now and he hasn't muted voice chat once.
[quote]Come on now. If a poker player runs around showing everyone his hand, it's his own fault if someone shouts it[/quote] You missed the point. Poker players play games live with audiences surrounding them, and that audience IS going to get a glimpse of what they have.
They don't shout out what's in the players hands because being a cunt like that is unacceptable behavior that would get you banned from pretty much every event in the future.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52648238]It's not victim blaming if the 'victim' has the tools to prevent it and chooses to not only ignore those tools, but keep willingly broadcasting his position in real time. He can black the stream out for a couple minutes between rounds until the drop, he can mute the in-game audio, he can delay the stream for a couple minutes (And with so many people, it's not like he's going to interact with anyone in chat anyway)[/QUOTE]
You highly underestimate how much streamers interact with their audience. That's the whole point of them playing live, if the interaction wasn't there, there's no reason to not wait for the stream to get clipped into highlights and thrown up onto youtube.
Delays hurt that and make the stream worse, and yes, those techniques can help stream sniping. They don't solve it though. It's not hard to deduce where a player will be once you figure out how long the delay is, it's not hard to guess when they may queue, and micspam is far from the only kind of streamsniping.
Solution: put your game window onto a different monitor and randomly search for a game without anyone knowing. Maybe answer some questions between, and mute the game volume until he's actually in a full game on the plane.
That way no one will know when you hit the search button until it's too late and he's in a full game.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52648217]I still think it's stupid to put the blame on the people spamming mic and stream sniping and not the people who broadcast their position in real time to everybody
Just delay your stream, You have 4500 people watching you, you're not going to read a damn thing anyway[/QUOTE]
how long does he have to delay it for it to actually achieve anything? 5 minutes, 10? 1 or 2 minutes is no where near enough to prevent this, and even as high as 5 is questionable because people will still extrapolate his position
the whole point of streaming is that its live, more than 1 minute delay and viewers will question why watch it 'live' at all
[QUOTE=redBadger;52648257]Solution: put your game window onto a different monitor and randomly search for a game without anyone knowing. Maybe answer some questions between, and mute the game volume until he's actually in a full game on the plane.
That way no one will know when you hit the search button until it's too late and he's in a full game.[/QUOTE]Or they just keep hitting to play over and over, looking for the right person.
[editline]4th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=krail9;52648261]how long does he have to delay it for it to actually achieve anything? 5 minutes, 10? 1 or 2 minutes is no where near enough to prevent this, and even as high as 5 is questionable because people will still extrapolate his position
the whole point of streaming is that its live, more than 1 minute delay and viewers will question why watch it 'live' at all[/QUOTE]You could set a five minute delay and I'd find you. You could set a ten minute delay and I'd likely still be able to find you.
Forsen's viewers are toxic as fuck and he welcomes it, no shit he's going to get streamsniped like this constantly when he does nothing about it.
Lirik is one of the biggest streamers on Twitch placing top 3 most watched streams everyday and stream sniping in PUBG has been little to non-existent, this is all about the viewers you attract and I think streamers definitely have most of the control here.
He can just mute voice chat?
That and put a delay/hide server id, majority of stream sniping solved.
I stopped watching Forsen probably a year or so ago, but this is honestly par for the course for his stream, there's a reason he doesn't really care about the gachi, sorting algorithms, or generic ear-rape, and it's because he makes like 18k a month in donations (accidentally showed it during a drunk stream) and he already lost a huge chunk of his audience by quitting Hearthstone completely. Getting rid of the last bit of his "stream culture" would just kill him full stop.
for a while it seemed to be accepted that stream sniping was an acceptable risk of streaming an online multiplayer game, i mean people have been doing it for years and years. it seems the only reason it's finally getting public attention is that devs are confusingly banning for it these days
i kinda want it to go back to being seen as an acceptable risk, seeing all the drama surrounding it is tiresome and it's almost surreal to think people are getting banned for it. doesn't rust have some sort of 'streamer mode' that basically eliminates this as a problem? if all the delays, screen black-outs and voice chat muting is just [I]too much[/I] for a streamer, they should have a streaming mode.
Well you have to make a choice,
Mute the in-game chat like most people do. In-game is nothing but mic spamming and other stupidity and most of us don't even stream.
Set a delay on your stream, hide your mini-map, hide any identifiable information that can get you tracked, maybe put a alternate screen up while you are loading and in the starting zone till you land.
There are plenty of ways around this, I get people want to interact with their audience but this is PUGB. What is there to interact with in-game? You can still respond and deal with the chat with a delay.
Or if you don't want to deal with any of the above you will just have to deal with the stream sniping or attempt to get people banned for it. Stream sniping is an asshole thing to do and always has been, but there are way to many options to combat it.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52648322]for a while it seemed to be accepted that stream sniping was an acceptable risk of streaming an online multiplayer game, i mean people have been doing it for years and years. it seems the only reason it's finally getting public attention is that devs are confusingly banning for it these days
i kinda want it to go back to being seen as an acceptable risk, seeing all the drama surrounding it is tiresome and it's almost surreal to think people are getting banned for it. doesn't rust have some sort of 'streamer mode' that basically eliminates this as a problem? if all the delays, screen black-outs and voice chat muting is just [I]too much[/I] for a streamer, they should have a streaming mode.[/QUOTE]
Its never been acceptable except for the people who do it. Stream sniping has always been against the rules for games, just the same as its predecessors of ghosting, screencheating, and the like. Its literally just an evolution of those and they were all considered unacceptable in their times as well.
[QUOTE=Asaratha;52648328]when will this stupid fucking "SHOWING PEOPLE UR HAND" meme die? anybody who says this shows an extreme lack of critical thinking at all. no, theyre not comparable, as the person sniping is going out of their way & making a conscious decision to actively ruin the integrity of the game by getting information not available to them without stream sniping.[/QUOTE]
Forsen knows exactly what he's doing, his current community is filled with toxicity like this because he allowed and enabled it, that's how he gains viewers and donations, how come a streamer with 6 times his viewership rarely or never gets sniped?
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52648322]for a while it seemed to be accepted that stream sniping was an acceptable risk of streaming an online multiplayer game, i mean people have been doing it for years and years. it seems the only reason it's finally getting public attention is that devs are confusingly banning for it these days
i kinda want it to go back to being seen as an acceptable risk, seeing all the drama surrounding it is tiresome and it's almost surreal to think people are getting banned for it. doesn't rust have some sort of 'streamer mode' that basically eliminates this as a problem? if all the delays, screen black-outs and voice chat muting is just [I]too much[/I] for a streamer, they should have a streaming mode.[/QUOTE]All streamer mode mostly does it keep honest people honest.
And why does it surprise you? It's a form of griefing, and most online games ban/punish you for griefing.
[QUOTE=MR-X;52648346]Well you have to make a choice,
Mute the in-game chat like most people do. In-game is nothing but mic spamming and other stupidity and most of us don't even stream.[/QUOTE]
Do they? I haven't even played much yet but some of the funniest moments I've come across was from in-game voice chat, when it wasn't micspamming dicks. Those are the kind of things that get clipped a lot too for streamers.
The worst thing about this is even these defenses aren't enough. All it takes is a glance at the kill feed to tell "Summit1G" is in your game. Then you open a tab of his stream and bam you're coincidentally sniping him without even having tried to join his game on purpose.
I don't take PUBG very seriously so I personally find it pretty hard to imagine people legitimately furious at players fucking with you for being popular. Some of the streamers seem to have fun with it and I like to imagine I could have a lot of fun with my hypothetical snipers but what the hell do I know-- my friends and I spend most of our time in this game doing the opposite of tryharding. The game has some of the shittiest desync problems I've seen in a while and I just don't know how you can get mad at this game when you see how unfit it is for competitive play.
Don't take it seriously and you'll find out it's even more fun to win when you weren't even trying. I feel the same could apply to streamers being locked on by homing missile honkers.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52648349]Its never been acceptable except for the people who do it. Stream sniping has always been against the rules for games, just the same as its predecessors of ghosting, screencheating, and the like. Its literally just an evolution of those and they were all considered unacceptable in their times as well.[/QUOTE]
I'm unsure if I remember any game banning for it before PUBG, could you let me know if I'm wrong? The last time it was significant to me was when it was rampart in the DayZ streaming community and no one really cared then, when the stakes were much higher.
[editline]5th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52648361]
And why does it surprise you? It's a form of griefing, and most online games ban/punish you for griefing.
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It's hard to define it as griefing, you'd have to define the experience of streaming a game to thousands of people as the baseline, average gaming experience. Is it really your standard form of griefing when it's not to a player, but to an entertainer?
Isn't that more like heckling? I can understand banning people for impacting the average player experience, as that [I]is[/I] the literal experience the game is intended to give. Streamers though? Eh...
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