Good news: More airstrikes hit the ISIS, one was conducted on a truck firing on civilians. - Polidicks

[quote]WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military says American jet fighters and drones have conducted four more airstrikes on Islamic militants in Iraq, taking out armored carriers and a truck that were firing on civilians. U.S. Central Command says the Islamic State militants were firing on Yazidi civilians near Sinjar. The refugees have been taking shelter in the Sinjar mountains. Central Command says the strikes near Sinjar were spread out, with three before noon Eastern Daylight Time on Saturday and one about 3 p.m. The military says indications suggest that the strikes were successful in destroying the armored vehicles.[/quote] [url]http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/08/09/us-launches-4-more-airstrikes-against-isil.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm[/url] Suck it.

Why on Earth where they shooting civilians with a truck? Like what possible reason could you have to do this?

Bet ya it's going to sway the public's opinion on drones when more news like this breaks. Suddenly they'll seem like the best thing ever. Personally, I'm indifferent to them, they're just a tool no different than a manned jet or an artillery emplacement. Also, nice to know a bunch of dickbags firing on unarmed civvies was blown to kingdom come.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644844]Why on Earth where they shooting civilians with a truck? Like what possible reason could you have to do this?[/QUOTE] fear is powerful

[QUOTE=TestECull;45644847]Bet ya it's going to sway the public's opinion on drones when more news like this breaks. Suddenly they'll seem like the best thing ever. Personally, I'm indifferent to them, they're just a tool no different than a manned jet or an artillery emplacement. Also, nice to know a bunch of dickbags firing on unarmed civvies was blown to kingdom come.[/QUOTE] I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644852]I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.[/QUOTE] some people believe they sanitize the decision making process or that the easy availability trivializes airstrikes - like perhaps airstrikes shouldn't be easy and safe to conduct frequently I personally don't know the psychology behind it so I can't comment

[QUOTE=Gentry;45644896]some people believe they sanitize the decision making process or that the easy availability trivializes airstrikes - like perhaps airstrikes shouldn't be easy and safe to conduct frequently I personally don't know the psychology behind it so I can't comment[/QUOTE] I think that's the gist of it but it's a dumb argument. The same could be said of cannons -> guns -> sniper rifles -> Artillery -> Aircraft -> Missiles.

Never was a huge fan of the Super Hornet but golly it can kick up dirt. The F/A 18, among others, is getting a chance to flex some muscle and I'm all up for it. [video=youtube;v_jAGPahfmk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jAGPahfmk[/video] Merica Fuckers

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644852]I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.[/QUOTE] those very powerful cameras they tend to have.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644852]I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.[/QUOTE] Irrational public paranoia and/or fear brought on by media bullshit if I was to guess.

Drones are awesome and incredibly useful for both military and civilian applications. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644844]Why on Earth where they shooting civilians with a truck? Like what possible reason could you have to do this?[/QUOTE] Because they're infadels duhhh

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;45644915]Never was a huge fan of the Super Hornet but golly it can kick up dirt. The F/A 18, among others, is getting a chance to flex some muscle and I'm all up for it. [video=youtube;v_jAGPahfmk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jAGPahfmk[/video] Merica Fuckers[/QUOTE] That is surprisingly close to what looks like a civilian motorway, assuming that is test/practice runs.

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;45644915]Never was a huge fan of the Super Hornet but golly it can kick up dirt. The F/A 18, among others, is getting a chance to flex some muscle and I'm all up for it. [video=youtube;v_jAGPahfmk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jAGPahfmk[/video] Merica Fuckers[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks like airshow pyrotechnics.

[QUOTE=PieClock;45645084]That is surprisingly close to what looks like a civilian motorway, assuming that is test/practice runs.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Description of video]2 F-18s throtte up for a simulated bombing run.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://f.a5.tf/xrvk.png[/IMG]

Fuck bombs, send in the A-10's, I want ISIS to know what real fear is. [video=youtube;-ubPW8jOopI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubPW8jOopI#t=53[/video]

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;45645215]Fuck bombs, send in the A-10's, I want ISIS to know what real fear is. [video=youtube;-ubPW8jOopI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubPW8jOopI#t=53[/video][/QUOTE] It would be a hell of way to unveil the drone versions. As a side note I am extremely disappointed that there is no A-10 Dubstep on youtube.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644852]I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.[/QUOTE] Someone against drones here. My biggest complaints are the fact that we can basically fly them anywhere without getting in trouble, shoot anyone without anyone being able to do anything, and do it anytime without needing to put risk or thought into it. Especially the first one- strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia, as well as flights over Georgia and Russia. Most strikes follow the Israeli doctrine of "fire into the crowd to kill the one guy who might be a terrorist not sure the image is too fuzzy" and end up killing scores of innocents, and because there's no human risk and we aren't sending any Americans into other nation's territory then we're basically setting a precedent that "as long as there's no human pilot and you can't shoot it down then it's acceptable to kill people anywhere anytime". I'd like to see what happens when the Russians start doing it in Ukraine- oh the public outcry then! And it is indeed trivializing strikes, because without any risk then it's simple to just keep on dropping bombs on whoever we want. With a piloted aircraft you risk being detected by radar and being shot down for invading airspace, and when you fuck up and bomb a wedding then you can point a finger at the guy who dropped the bombs. With a drone, it's in, bomb, out, without any accountability or risk.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644852]I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.[/QUOTE] I want to say it's most likely because media in the past glorified drone strikes on innocent civilians and etc. So whenever anyone hears the word Drone; the first thing that'll hit their mind is America, innocent casualties, and anything on the lines of there.

Eradicate them all.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45644852]I've never understood the hatred of drones, they're pretty much the same as normal planes except there's no pilot who is in danger.[/QUOTE] It's a way to bomb any country for any reason without going declaring war. Not that America bothers with Congress declaring war anymore.

ISIS is getting a good taste of [img]http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120516012927/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/3/33/American-eagle-and-flag-ii.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45645260]Not that America bothers with Congress declaring war anymore.[/QUOTE] Since when?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45645386]Since when?[/QUOTE] Since World War II.

Also [video=youtube;jFJx0-vNKsQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFJx0-vNKsQ#t=195[/video]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45645386]Since when?[/QUOTE] Since Truman told America he didn't need Congress's permission to fight a war in Korea because, "It's not a war, it's a police action".

[quote] New video released by the Pentagon late Friday night shows U.S. military aircrafts striking Islamic State terror sites. “The first attack occurred about 6:45 a.m. EDT when two F/A-18 aircraft dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery piece near Irbil, the capital of Iraq’s Kurdistan region,” the Pentagon said. “ISIL was using this artillery to shell Kurdish forces defending the city, where U.S. personnel are located.” “Two additional air strikes occurred later in the day, the last at about 11:20 a.m. EDT when four F/A-18 aircraft successfully struck a stationary ISIL convoy of seven vehicles and a mortar position near Irbil, neutralizing the mortar and convoy,” the Pentagon added. Footage of the strikes shows thick black plumes of smoke rising into the air following a bright white flash after the targets had been hit. Read more at [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f8_1407563305#OhF2ka6PvzSg3hCg.99[/url][/quote] [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f8_1407563305[/url]

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];45645247']Someone against drones here. My biggest complaints are the fact that we can basically fly them anywhere without getting in trouble, shoot anyone without anyone being able to do anything, and do it anytime without needing to put risk or thought into it. Especially the first one- strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia, as well as flights over Georgia and Russia. Most strikes follow the Israeli doctrine of "fire into the crowd to kill the one guy who might be a terrorist not sure the image is too fuzzy" and end up killing scores of innocents, and because there's no human risk and we aren't sending any Americans into other nation's territory then we're basically setting a precedent that "as long as there's no human pilot and you can't shoot it down then it's acceptable to kill people anywhere anytime". I'd like to see what happens when the Russians start doing it in Ukraine- oh the public outcry then! And it is indeed trivializing strikes, because without any risk then it's simple to just keep on dropping bombs on whoever we want. With a piloted aircraft you risk being detected by radar and being shot down for invading airspace, and when you fuck up and bomb a wedding then you can point a finger at the guy who dropped the bombs. With a drone, it's in, bomb, out, without any accountability or risk.[/QUOTE] Except there is a pilot. The pilot may not be in the plane but drones still have a human. The only difference is that now you arent risking the pilots life.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;45646010]Except there is a pilot. The pilot may not be in the plane but drones still have a human. The only difference is that now you arent risking the pilots life.[/QUOTE] You kinda missed his point. There's no pilot [I]over the enemy territory[/I], not that there's no pilot altogether. What he means is, there's no military personnel entering the territory so that makes it okay to send a drone, even if that territory is another country you are not formally at war with.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];45645247']Someone against drones here. My biggest complaints are the fact that we can basically fly them anywhere without getting in trouble, shoot anyone without anyone being able to do anything, and do it anytime without needing to put risk or thought into it. Especially the first one- strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia, as well as flights over Georgia and Russia. Most strikes follow the Israeli doctrine of "fire into the crowd to kill the one guy who might be a terrorist not sure the image is too fuzzy" and end up killing scores of innocents, and because there's no human risk and we aren't sending any Americans into other nation's territory then we're basically setting a precedent that "as long as there's no human pilot and you can't shoot it down then it's acceptable to kill people anywhere anytime". I'd like to see what happens when the Russians start doing it in Ukraine- oh the public outcry then! And it is indeed trivializing strikes, because without any risk then it's simple to just keep on dropping bombs on whoever we want. With a piloted aircraft you risk being detected by radar and being shot down for invading airspace, and when you fuck up and bomb a wedding then you can point a finger at the guy who dropped the bombs. With a drone, it's in, bomb, out, without any accountability or risk.[/QUOTE] Okay then, let's send more people into the battlefield

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;45646010]Except there is a pilot. The pilot may not be in the plane but drones still have a human. The only difference is that now you arent risking the pilots life.[/QUOTE] What Emperor Scorpius said above is right. Drones, because of the lack of pilot, are given immunity to take actions without taking responsibility. Take, for instance, how the US has been drone striking targets in Pakistan for a long time without repercussion- sometimes with, sometimes without Pakistani approval. But now, on the other hand, the bin Laden raid which involved American troops had planes aired in order to intercept. I'll bet you the ensuing diplomatic tension wouldn't have occurred if, instead of sending in special forces, the US just put a drone missile through the front door and blew the compound up. Then Pakistan could complain that we did an unauthorized drone strike, but they couldn't complain that we invaded their airspace or violated their sovereignty. It's the same thing with Yemen, which has on paper rejected any sort of American aid in tackling their jihadist problem, but in practice has welcomed American drone strikes- something close to 70 of them since 2002. But the fact that there's no Americans involved gives both the US and Yemen plausible deniability. There needs to be boundaries and right now there isn't. These things are relatively inefficient and kill loads of innocents, and there's no accountability. [editline]10th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=OrDnAs;45646191]Okay then, let's send more people into the battlefield[/QUOTE] Or the other alternative which is to not bomb people without the permission of the government which presides over the territory we're bombing, with accountability for the numerous civilian casualties that occur because we choose to use an inaccurate covert method with high collateral damage. Or even one better is let's just not bomb people. I'm sure those pissed off sheep farmers in the mountains of central Asia aren't a huge threat to western peoples and economies. Maybe we could spare a few lives and just skip on bombing the funerals and weddings and putting a 20lb explosive into the family home of someone whose life thusfar has been to work in the fields and get shot at by white people.