• Most Americans don’t want the wall, don’t think Mexico will pay for it, don’t believe it will happen
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[quote]“If we have to close down our government,” President Trump said at his rally in Phoenix on Tuesday, “we’re building that wall.” The crowd — loyal Trump supporters to a person — cheered wildly: “Build that wall! Build that wall!” Since Trump took office, it’s been clear that his primary (if not exclusive) focus has been on delivering wins to his base of support, the people who powered him through the primaries and who still, despite his sliding poll numbers, will don a MAGA hat and show up at a rally on a work night. The wall is central to Trump’s promises to his base and to his identity as a candidate, and, so, if he has to shut down the government to get it, he’s going to get that wall. [...] We’ve had a slew of polls on Trump’s wall proposal, and there’s a consistent theme to the results. Most people — Trump’s base excluded — don’t want the wall, don’t think the wall will happen, don’t think Congress will pay for the wall and, obviously, don’t think Mexico’s going to pay for it, either. (That claim that Mexico would fund the wall, an inescapable refrain during the campaign, wasn’t broached by Trump in Phoenix.) [...] From Fox News polling in May: Only 36 percent of Americans think a wall is going to happen, including 64 percent of Trump voters and 59 percent of Republicans. Twenty-nine percent of independents, 20 percent of Democrats and less than half of whites without a college degree — a key Trump constituency — think the wall will get built.[/quote] [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/25/most-americans-dont-want-the-wall-dont-think-mexico-will-pay-for-it-and-dont-believe-it-will-happen/?utm_term=.f4a2c6d63423]Source: The Washington Post[/url] [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_2_Want.jpg&w=1484[/t] [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_3_Mexico.jpg&w=1484[/t] [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_1_Happen.jpg&w=1484[/t] [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_4_US.jpg&w=1484[/t] [t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_5_Cong.jpg&w=1484[/t]
When I first heard about the Wall I thought it was some sort of metaphor. But no Trump really is that stupid.
52% of Republicans are [I]fucking high[/I] if they think Mexico is going to pay for that shit.
That slight majority of republicans who think Mexico is paying for the wall must be living under a fucking rock, considering Trump's latest threat.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52613494]That slight majority of republicans who think Mexico is paying for the wall must be living under a fucking rock, considering Trump's latest threat.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Mexico is going to pay for the wall[/QUOTE] to [QUOTE]Mexico is going to reimburse us for the wall[/QUOTE] to [QUOTE]I will shut down the government unless the taxpayers pay for my wall. [/QUOTE]
This is probably because I don't live in the US but part of me actually wants him to try building the wall just to see how it goes.
Chuckled over how Trump voters are absent on the consequence questions.
If they aren't gonna pay for it why even bother then?
I suspect when the time comes to either fund the wall or shutdown the government, shit is going to go down.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;52613797]I suspect when the time comes to either fund the wall or shutdown the government, shit is going to go down.[/QUOTE] There isn't going to be a shutdown, at least over the wall. Tax reform is far more pressing for both parties.
Gonna reiterate the post I just made in the other thread, it doesn't matter anymore how shitty or unpopular anything he does is because the entire purpose of his presidency is so he can increase corruption and have fun, and if he loses his hardcore base he can't do rallies anymore.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;52613837]Gonna reiterate the post I just made in the other thread, it doesn't matter anymore how shitty or unpopular anything he does is because the entire purpose of his presidency is so he can increase corruption and have fun, and if he loses his hardcore base he can't do rallies anymore.[/QUOTE] And also make shitloads of money by converting taxpayer funds into personal profits through his properties.
[QUOTE=Mr Kotov;52613466]When I first heard about the Wall I thought it was some sort of metaphor. But no Trump really is that stupid.[/QUOTE] I recall some of his supporters here [I]actually[/I] saying that the wall was metaphorical.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52613887]I recall some of his supporters here [I]actually[/I] saying that the wall was metaphorical.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism;[B] instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.[/B][/QUOTE] The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Ah yes, get a poor country with a currency so much weaker than the United States of 'MURICA to pay for this wall. Cuz the wall costs like 5$ amirite
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52613887]I recall some of his supporters here [I]actually[/I] saying that the wall was metaphorical.[/QUOTE] I suspect that was a very commonly held belief among Trump supporters during the election, both because he was pretty vague about it for a while and because his voterbase was more diverse back then. He himself may not have known what he meant in the beginning, but I suppose a literal, physical wall would eventually be the inevitable conclusion for someone like him.
The two polls regarding who is footing the bill for the wall paint completely different pictures. According to the first, in May half of Republicans legitimately thought Mexico was going to pay. The second says that as of this month, three fourths of them admit that the US is paying for it. Either the methodologies the two polls use are different, or a fourth of Republicans have *ahem* seen the writing on the wall.
[QUOTE=Flicky;52613451][t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_3_Mexico.jpg&w=1484[/t][t]https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/08/Wall_4_US.jpg&w=1484[/t][/QUOTE] I'm confused, these seem to contradict each other? I might be reading it wrong, but it looks like it says that majority of Republicans believe that Mexico will pay for the wall, and then the next one says that they believe the U.S. will pay for the wall. Which is it? Or is the first one implying that Mexico will "pay us back?"
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52615715]I'm confused, these seem to contradict each other? I might be reading it wrong, but it looks like it says that majority of Republicans believe that Mexico will pay for the wall, and then the next one says that they believe the U.S. will pay for the wall. Which is it? Or is the first one implying that Mexico will "pay us back?"[/QUOTE] They're polls from different months edit: and different sources, I imagine there's a difference in methodology but I haven't looked
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52615715]I'm confused, these seem to contradict each other? I might be reading it wrong, but it looks like it says that majority of Republicans believe that Mexico will pay for the wall, and then the next one says that they believe the U.S. will pay for the wall. Which is it? Or is the first one implying that Mexico will "pay us back?"[/QUOTE] That's why asking the correct questions is important - in this case it is probably [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiescence_bias"]bias[/URL] that leads to different outcomes. The second question is neutral, the first one isn't.
Working in ohio right with my dad. I love the man, but all he can talk about is how trump is great and gonna build that wall, and Mexico is gonna be taxed for it and if I disagree I am from another world.... I don't get how people still have faith in this man.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;52616387]Working in ohio right with my dad. I love the man, but all he can talk about is how trump is great and gonna build that wall, and Mexico is gonna be taxed for it and if I disagree I am from another world.... I don't get how people still have faith in this man.[/QUOTE] I'd like to think that people deep down inside them know they made a bad call electing Trump, but just don't want to admit it.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52613887]I recall some of his supporters here [I]actually[/I] saying that the wall was metaphorical.[/QUOTE] I'm not a Trump supporter, though I do recall arguing that the wall had to a metaphorical thing a while back. (Probably because an actual full ~2000 mile long staffed border wall is a very silly idea)
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52619236]I'd like to think that people deep down inside them know they made a bad call electing Trump, but just don't want to admit it.[/QUOTE] or maybe people really are just that gullible, and all it takes to get people to betray every principle they ever claimed to have and reject reality is one good salesman
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